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Post by Valerioch on Mar 26, 2019 20:32:15 GMT 1
Sums up perfectly in 1 article everything that’s wrong with the odious EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47704345MEP’s from 27 random nations having a binding say on our country’s rules and laws The vote of which was based on a survey that had 70% of replies by Germans No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness
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Post by jamo on Mar 26, 2019 20:47:39 GMT 1
No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness 29th March ! FFS.. If you are going to pontificate so often, so ignorantly and so wrongly on a recurring topic at least have the decency to give the impression that you have been paying attention !!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 20:47:48 GMT 1
ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/summertime/news/2018-08-31-consultation-outcome_en‘This online consultation, which ran from 4 July to 16 August 2018, received 4.6 million responses from all 28 Member States, the highest number of responses ever received in any Commission public consultation. According to the preliminary results (see annex), 84% of respondents are in favour of putting an end to the bi-annual clock change.’ That’s democracy for you. Parallels to brexit referendum - highest ever turn out. It seems like the Germans had this item close to their heart. The UK clearly didn’t - with only 0.02% taking up the chance to vote compared to 3.79% in Germany.
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Post by tvor on Mar 26, 2019 20:49:50 GMT 1
Use of daylight saving time is very outdated in my opinion and it's long overdue that we scrapped it in this country. I wish we would follow suit.
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Post by simianbenzoate on Mar 26, 2019 21:13:32 GMT 1
Sums up perfectly in 1 article everything that’s wrong with the odious EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47704345MEP’s from 27 random nations having a binding say on our country’s rules and laws The vote of which was based on a survey that had 70% of replies by Germans No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness Having a say over the 13% of our laws that involve the EU because we agreed to that as part of joining. Do you actually care one way or the other about DST, or do you just hate it because the EU said it? If you want to get on a high horse, maybe look at article 11 and 13 which could cause real issues for internet freedoms. Thankfully they at least seem to have scrapped the memes part of it, not that this board would be too affected...
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 26, 2019 21:37:52 GMT 1
Sums up perfectly in 1 article everything that’s wrong with the odious EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47704345MEP’s from 27 random nations having a binding say on our country’s rules and laws The vote of which was based on a survey that had 70% of replies by Germans No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness Having a say over the 13% of our laws that involve the EU because we agreed to that as part of joining. Do you actually care one way or the other about DST, or do you just hate it because the EU said it? If you want to get on a high horse, maybe look at article 11 and 13 which could cause real issues for internet freedoms. Thankfully they at least seem to have scr@pped the memes part of it, not that this board would be too affected... I enjoy the long summer evenings so would hope we don’t revert to GMT for the whole year The rest of my point stands. Our time. Our choice
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Post by Pilch on Mar 26, 2019 21:41:34 GMT 1
when I was a kid I was told it was for the benefit of kids not having to go or come from school in the dark and therefore getting run over
now they just get stabbed in broad daylight
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Post by tvor on Mar 26, 2019 22:09:29 GMT 1
I enjoy the long summer evenings so would hope we don’t revert to GMT for the whole year There is no reason why BST couldn't be used for the whole year.
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Post by tvor on Mar 26, 2019 22:28:47 GMT 1
when I was a kid I was told it was for the benefit of kids not having to go or come from school in the dark and therefore getting run over Like pub licensing hours, it was something brought in during the First World War. In the case of daylight saving in an attempt to reduce coal usage. There have been some studies on the effects of changing the clocks that identified associated health problems, e.g. an increase in heart attacks and strokes. Also that instances of accidents in the workplace and on the roads increase around these times.
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 26, 2019 22:46:23 GMT 1
Am I the only person that didn't know we could even vote on this? Was there any communication to the general public about this (that I've blindly missed) or were we just not really informed about it?
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Post by simianbenzoate on Mar 26, 2019 22:48:20 GMT 1
Having a say over the 13% of our laws that involve the EU because we agreed to that as part of joining. Do you actually care one way or the other about DST, or do you just hate it because the EU said it? If you want to get on a high horse, maybe look at article 11 and 13 which could cause real issues for internet freedoms. Thankfully they at least seem to have scr@pped the memes part of it, not that this board would be too affected... I enjoy the long summer evenings so would hope we don’t revert to GMT for the whole year The rest of my point stands. Our time. Our choice well, it's the next logical step after harmonising the date on which DST is implemented across the EU, which makes trade much easier (which after all is what most of our membership is about) unfortunately according to the consultation only 20% of UK citizens find the time changes a positive thing, and over 80% of them would abolish it over keeping it, so something something "will of the people", right? (incidentally, these values match almost exactly the figures for all EU28 countries on average, once again proving that we actually do think roughly along the same lines as our European cousins, despite the seemingly ubiquitous notion that they are too different in their beliefs for being in a union with them to ever advance our own agenda)
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Post by simianbenzoate on Mar 26, 2019 22:53:29 GMT 1
Am I the only person that didn't know we could even vote on this? Was there any communication to the general public about this (that I've blindly missed) or were we just not really informed about it? the European commission website has a huge list of regular consultations on it, not votes as such, but certainly a means to provide indicative feedback for any EU body or citizen. It's not widely talked about (it's rarely particularly interesting) but it does somewhat undermine those that constantly claim we're being " dictated to" when they haven't bothered to see how they can engage with the EU other than electing a UKIP MEP who'll just complain about the money wastage while happily pocketing his wages and pension while never bothering to turn up
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Post by tvor on Mar 26, 2019 22:58:42 GMT 1
If the UK agree a withdrawal deal and are in an extended transition period when this EU directive comes into force it will need to be implemented, but it could then be revoked once the transition period is over.
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 26, 2019 23:03:18 GMT 1
Am I the only person that didn't know we could even vote on this? Was there any communication to the general public about this (that I've blindly missed) or were we just not really informed about it? the European commission website has a huge list of regular consultations on it, not votes as such, but certainly a means to provide indicative feedback for any EU body or citizen. It's not widely talked about (it's rarely particularly interesting) but it does somewhat undermine those that constantly claim we're being " dictated to" when they haven't bothered to see how they can engage with the EU other than electing a UKIP MEP who'll just complain about the money wastage while happily pocketing his wages and pension while never bothering to turn up Got to be honest, I'm always happy to take a vote on anything if invited / included, but it's never occurred to me to peruse the EU commission website for opportunities to contribute to democracy! Maybe it's a favourite pass-time in Germany, as it seems an oddly skewed vote!
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Post by venceremos on Mar 26, 2019 23:18:19 GMT 1
Sums up perfectly in 1 article everything that’s wrong with the odious EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47704345MEP’s from 27 random nations having a binding say on our country’s rules and laws The vote of which was based on a survey that had 70% of replies by Germans No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness Oh look, you missed the bit where Juncker said “member states should themselves decide”. We can only speculate on whether you couldn’t be bothered to read the article before whinging about it or whether you were trying to mislead people deliberately. But thanks, you’ve made me realise there is something positive to come from brexit - it’s taken nearly 3 years for me to find it but better late than never. Here it is - post-brexit, the blindly prejudiced, frequently frothy-mouthed ramblings of anti-EU witterers can stop. Forever. Or at least until we reapply for membership. Respect for facts could even make a comeback. Bring that on!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 26, 2019 23:43:06 GMT 1
Am I the only person that didn't know we could even vote on this?
It wouldn't make any difference if you did or not. If they didn't like the result, they'd ignore you anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 0:01:45 GMT 1
They tried the equivalent of British Summer Time all year as an experiment from 1968 to 1971 and found it reduced accidents but it also coincided with more stringent drink drive laws which distorted the figures. ROSPA have wanted to experiment with double summer time for a number of years.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 27, 2019 0:17:01 GMT 1
They tried the equivalent of British Summer Time all year as an experiment from 1968 to 1971 and found it reduced accidents but it also coincided with more stringent drink drive laws which distorted the figures. ROSPA have wanted to experiment with double summer time for a number of years.
You're not wrong, wookey. Apparently, staying on BST reduced the number of accidents with school children getting home in the daylight, which sounds a good idea. I seem to remember they changed back when Scottish farmers complained they had to milk twice in the dark. Perhaps they couldn't see the cows kicking them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 7:24:03 GMT 1
So 27 representatives changes things for millions of people.
I'd rather have longer Summer evenings thanks Europe and the power back as well.
Good Luck with your broken system and shorter evenings.
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Post by tvor on Mar 27, 2019 10:03:34 GMT 1
So 27 representatives changes things for millions of people. No, 4.6 million voted for this. Have you actually read the thread and any of the articles linked?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2019 10:21:40 GMT 1
Am I the only person that didn't know we could even vote on this? Was there any communication to the general public about this (that I've blindly missed) or were we just not really informed about it? I don't recall seeing anything here in Germany either and we had the greatest share of votes cast. About 500 million in the EU int it?. Under 5 million replied. I guess we weren't the only ones. Ah well, nevermind. We'll catch it next time around. Sure we'll get to vote again on it soon...
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 27, 2019 10:27:40 GMT 1
Seems a good idea to me......
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 27, 2019 10:38:14 GMT 1
I'd love BST all year round. I was always told about Scottish farmers, not sure if it's true or a myth?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2019 11:17:29 GMT 1
So 27 representatives changes things for millions of people. I'd rather have longer Summer evenings thanks Europe and the power back as well. Good Luck with your broken system and shorter evenings. Try reading the feckin' article before moaning about something it doesn't say! Whinging about made up stuff seems to be a way of life for some people.
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Post by simianbenzoate on Mar 27, 2019 13:04:04 GMT 1
So 27 representatives changes things for millions of people. I'd rather have longer Summer evenings thanks Europe and the power back as well. Good Luck with your broken system and shorter evenings. No. millions were consulted, and 80% of them want to abolish it. Will of the people.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 27, 2019 15:03:24 GMT 1
Sums up perfectly in 1 article everything that’s wrong with the odious EU. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47704345MEP’s from 27 random nations having a binding say on our country’s rules and laws The vote of which was based on a survey that had 70% of replies by Germans No deal on 29th March please and take back control and end this madness Odious. Now that word is used in our house when speaking about the ERG, and especially Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Patterson and sly one who should be hunted by a pack of hounds.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2019 15:08:50 GMT 1
I forgot to say well done to the EU for proposing to do something about the ridiculous clock-changing charade!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 19:21:27 GMT 1
70% of which were from Germans hmmm yeah, good luck without us Fritz
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Post by tvor on Mar 27, 2019 21:07:35 GMT 1
What difference does that make? It was open to anyone from EU countries to vote on.
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 28, 2019 18:49:27 GMT 1
What difference does that make? It was open to anyone from EU countries to vote on. Not that I really give a two bob bit about it either way, but to call it 'open to anyone to vote on' is a bit rich if no one is aware that it's even being voted on, let alone their opportunity to contribute. Must keep my eye open for the next general election lest a new prime minister sneaks in while my back is turned. Just a weird way to run things if you ask me. Inform the public if it's a public vote that is going to affect them, whatever the subject.
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