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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 13, 2019 11:49:06 GMT 1
Well 17 games for both of them at out club now and guess what
Askey did better!!!!
How frightening is that!
Askey got 18 points from a possible 51 while Ricketts has got just 16!
16 points from 51......... dire
A nice comparison and a capstone for me to say enough is enough. SR aint the guy.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 13, 2019 12:06:59 GMT 1
That says it all! Horrendous.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 13, 2019 12:09:05 GMT 1
Still maintain Askey is the worst sacking in the club's history. The results were improving and I'm certain he wouldn't have had us this close to the bottom four.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 13, 2019 12:12:48 GMT 1
Still maintain Askey is the worst sacking in the club's history. The results were improving and I'm certain he wouldn't have had us this close to the bottom four. Not sure I'd agree with that. Chic Bates being sacked after Tim Yates had resigned would be worse in my opinion. But one thing we are both agreed on. Ricketts is a dire appointment.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 13, 2019 12:14:30 GMT 1
new anti rickets stats ;-)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 13, 2019 12:19:19 GMT 1
new anti rickets stats ;-) Facts are facts, its a fair snapshot of where we are under him. Which is an historically bad place. Looking at it, he may now be our WORST manager of all time after 16 games... if not very close... facts not feelings for me, though I also feel hes not the guy for us.
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Post by horse01 on Mar 13, 2019 12:22:08 GMT 1
new anti rickets stats ;-) Facts are facts, its a fair snapshot of where we are under him. Which is an historically bad place. Looking at it, he may now be our WORST manager of all time after 16 games... if not very close... facts not feelings for me, though I also feel hes not the guy for us. To be fair, the facts just back up what is visible with our own eyes. Inconsistent tactics, inconsistent player selection, inconsistent performance levels, inconsistent point total!! Out of his depth and blinkered in his approach
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 13, 2019 12:29:52 GMT 1
Fact both are s**te.
Just we replaced bad with badder.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 13, 2019 12:30:48 GMT 1
I honestly feel with Barrow in with him as well it may of been slightly better.
Why oh why didnt he bring an number 2 in?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 13, 2019 12:31:49 GMT 1
new anti rickets stats ;-) Facts are facts, its a fair snapshot of where we are under him. Which is an historically bad place. Looking at it, he may now be our WORST manager of all time after 16 games... if not very close... facts not feelings for me, though I also feel hes not the guy for us. fact is, you've not included cup games probably because askey only drew with Salford and Man City kids side, and lost to Burton , although he did smash Tranmere reserves whereas rickets have probably brought in over £1m after great games v stoke and wolves plus a crap game at vale fact is Askey was sacked when he shouldn't have been using it as as benchmark would therefore be wrong we should be questioning the person who sacked askey hes blown the budget on changing this I said, give rickets the backing until the end of the season if we go down I'd expect him to walk if we stay up then give him at least a chance to build his own side , you'd have had Fergie out by xmas had you been a united fan whenever he took over
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 13, 2019 12:40:00 GMT 1
And just to check, that's one and two in the list when it comes to the worse start from a Town manager (permanent appointments)? How on earth can we get it so wrong twice in the one season?! Crazy... Have we ever sacked two managers in the same season?
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Post by Mortgagehound on Mar 13, 2019 13:25:13 GMT 1
Askey whilst getting more points also played better quality football in much of the games without getting the rewards his team deserved eg Pompey, Bristol and Donny. Last minute loss to Charlton, last minute equaliser to Gillingham . Oxford the worst performance under our former leader. Quite a few squandered points in that lot
Fine margins did not go Mr Askeys way during his short time with Salop.
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Post by lancsman on Mar 13, 2019 13:54:15 GMT 1
No the situation is not crazy. I’m afraid he doesn’t know what he is doing. Another bad appointment. He might have been a decent player but he can’t manage. Time to go and quick. Get Coyne and Ramsey back in to keep us in league 1.
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Post by tvor on Mar 13, 2019 22:02:53 GMT 1
I’m afraid he doesn’t know what he is doing. Are you sure about that?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 13, 2019 22:07:21 GMT 1
it would be interesting to know the goal ratio / goals conceded under Askey / Coyne and Ricketts ; for me neither Askey or Ricketts have been able to produce consistent performances or results.
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Post by tvor on Mar 13, 2019 22:21:05 GMT 1
it would be interesting to know the goal ratio / goals conceded under Askey / Coyne and Ricketts ; for me neither Askey or Ricketts have been able to produce consistent performances or results. See my response in the Plymouth match thread.
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Post by tvor on Mar 13, 2019 22:33:46 GMT 1
Have we ever sacked two managers in the same season? No
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 13, 2019 22:40:51 GMT 1
And just to check, that's one and two in the list when it comes to the worse start from a Town manager (permanent appointments)? How on earth can we get it so wrong twice in the one season?! Crazy... Have we ever sacked two managers in the same season? No, and I would almost put money on the fact it won’t happen this season either. Roland won’t pay off two managers in such a short space of time, even if we go down.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 17, 2019 12:48:59 GMT 1
Still maintain Askey is the worst sacking in the club's history. The results were improving and I'm certain he wouldn't have had us this close to the bottom four. points per league game update Rickets 1.055 Askey 1.058 cups domestic cups Askey poor defeat home to Burton Draw home to salford Rickets Draw Wolves Draw Stoke Win Stoke Lose Wolves maybe time for the 2nd worst sacking in the clubs history ?
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Post by northwestman on Mar 17, 2019 13:05:15 GMT 1
If we continue to get 1.055 points per game for the rest of the season, then that will end up with us getting 51 points, which normally is enough to stave off relegation.
The downside is that this will probably mean that we shall go into the last game at home to Walsall with us needing at least a point and probably Walsall needing something from the game too. A scenario to avoid if at all possible.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 17, 2019 13:47:54 GMT 1
If we continue to get 1.055 points per game for the rest of the season, then that will end up with us getting 51 points, which normally is enough to stave off relegation. The downside is that this will probably mean that we shall go into the last game at home to Walsall with us needing at least a point and probably Walsall needing something from the game too. A scenario to avoid if at all possible. that scenario is my worst nightmare!! i might need more brandy in my coffee before during and after that game !
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Mar 18, 2019 16:24:34 GMT 1
Here is an interesting question for town fans who follow the boys home and away. How many poor performances were there when Askey was the manager compared to Ricketts? Too be honest, I don't remember too many under Askey! He seemed to be unlucky in that we played well but didn't score enough goals and his first choice striker, Angol, had a tantrum and downed tools! If only he had played Fej earlier then he might still be here and we would be a little higher in the table.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Mar 18, 2019 16:35:07 GMT 1
Here is an interesting question for town fans who follow the boys home and away. How many poor performances were there when Askey was the manager compared to Ricketts? Too be honest, I don't remember too many under Askey! He seemed to be unlucky in that we played well but didn't score enough goals and his first choice striker, Angol, had a tantrum and downed tools! If only he had played Fej earlier then he might still be here and we would be a little higher in the table. good point. i certainly saw more good entertaining performances than bad. stand out being Barnsley and Pompey. Gratefully though i missed oxford
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2019 16:35:47 GMT 1
There were many under Asky, with Salford at home, Fleetwood away standing out..... this its pretty even in that there are hardly nay games this season we have been on top the whole time and plenty where we have been second best for 90 minutes.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Mar 18, 2019 16:48:07 GMT 1
I’d argue that while there’s been some rotten performances under both managers and we’ve struggled to put together a good 90 minutes all season, there were more games under Askey where the result wasn’t reflective of the performance, and more under Ricketts where we’ve been downright appalling. Feel like we’ve accrued slightly more points than we’ve deserved under Ricketts, which isn’t great given the low points total.
What’s done is done and we'll never know, but by God I wish we’d kept hold of dour owd John for longer.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Mar 18, 2019 16:50:36 GMT 1
If we continue to get 1.055 points per game for the rest of the season, then that will end up with us getting 51 points, which normally is enough to stave off relegation.
The downside is that this will probably mean that we shall go into the last game at home to Walsall with us needing at least a point and probably Walsall needing something from the game too. A scenario to avoid if at all possible. Interestingly 1.055 points per game over a full season would give us 48.53 points which would have us relegated. Luckily the points we picked up in-between the 2 managers might well be the difference between relegation and staying up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 17:55:36 GMT 1
Still maintain Askey is the worst sacking in the club's history. The results were improving and I'm certain he wouldn't have had us this close to the bottom four. Not often I agree with you Martin, but absolutely spot on with that 👍
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Post by londonshrew75 on Mar 18, 2019 18:07:39 GMT 1
That's the point! "We played well but didn't score enough goals"....Er. Well we didn't play well then did we....? Yeah. We kept the ball well in some games, but never did anything with it. I think there are a few in here with a very short memory. The truth is they are both dreadful for different reasons. Ricketts is so bad he actually makes Askey bearable. Its Rowland and Brian that are the problem. The team sheet for the Portsmouth game will be very interesting. Will Grant and Docherty start ?
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Post by tdk on Mar 18, 2019 18:26:20 GMT 1
Askey drawn 2 and won 2 of last 4 with rubbish Vale team.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 18, 2019 18:33:02 GMT 1
Comparing Askey and Ricketts is a bit like two bald men arguing over a comb to be honest. Can’t say I remember much positive from matches either of them were in charge of - best bits of the season for me have been the games when Ramsey and Coyne were in charge. Don’t dislike either of them but equally haven’t really taken to either as manager
However I think the overall player recruitment since the summer has been very random and I’m not sure how much that is down to the managers or our overall recruitment policies. We’ve actually recruited a few players who could go on to be very good for us and generate a transfer income; but have had too many not even feature or be way below league one standard
Think that transfer strategy needs looking at as much as the quality of the managers we have appointed this season
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