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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 29, 2019 19:41:38 GMT 1
Remember we've signed walker already as the holding midfielder, so maybe grant could be going, unless walker is played further forward, we'll see
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liam23
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Post by liam23 on Apr 29, 2019 19:47:04 GMT 1
Obviously this season hasn't been as fantastic as the last, but it hasn't been without it's highlights. Stoke away and Wolves too!
I think the fan base needs to stop arguing over whether Sam is the man or not, this job was never going to be an easy one and at the end of the day, we are safe!
Next season, everyone should get behind the manager and team 100%. I have no idea what to expect, but hopefully a solid preseason and we can give it a right good go next term.
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Post by chestershrew on Apr 29, 2019 20:11:42 GMT 1
I think the first question SR has to figure out is
- Does he build a defence around Luke Waterfall or does he move him on?
That decision will then have implications for the formation, style and defensive recruitment.
If he creates a solid defence then we have a platform to work from, if not it could be another season like this one.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 20:15:14 GMT 1
Waterfall has two years to run on his contract. If he is deemed surplus to requirements it would be very expensive to move him on unless another club expresses an interest.
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Post by chestershrew on Apr 29, 2019 20:17:35 GMT 1
Waterfall has two years to run on his contract. If he is deemed surplus to requirements it would be very expensive to move him on unless another club expresses an interest. So do we build a defence around him?
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 20:20:03 GMT 1
I think we build a defence around Williams and Waterfall. I don't see why they wouldn't work as a pair in a flat back four, similar to how Sadler and Toto worked last season.
We have something like the 12th best defence in the division this season so the issue with our defence is being a bit over exaggerated. We also need a better goalkeeper and a better left back, with Bolton at right back I think there is the basis for a solid defence there if those players can be added.
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Post by chestershrew on Apr 29, 2019 20:32:38 GMT 1
I think we build a defence around Williams and Waterfall. I don't see why they wouldn't work as a pair in a flat back four, similar to how Sadler and Toto worked last season. We have something like the 12th best defence in the division this season so the issue with our defence is being a bit over exaggerated. We also need a better goalkeeper and a better left back, with Bolton at right back I think there is the basis for a solid defence there in those players can be added. I ‘think’ I agree with you 100% But I do wonder if Waterfall’s limitations in pace and anything below the shoulders will mean he costs us too many goals a season to be a side that challenges for the play offs.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Apr 29, 2019 20:53:02 GMT 1
Next season Sam Ricketts will be mostly reading B&A for all of his team talks and tactics.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 20:59:04 GMT 1
I think we build a defence around Williams and Waterfall. I don't see why they wouldn't work as a pair in a flat back four, similar to how Sadler and Toto worked last season. We have something like the 12th best defence in the division this season so the issue with our defence is being a bit over exaggerated. We also need a better goalkeeper and a better left back, with Bolton at right back I think there is the basis for a solid defence there in those players can be added. I ‘think’ I agree with you 100% But I do wonder if Waterfall’s limitations in pace and anything below the shoulders will mean he costs us too many goals a season to be a side that challenges for the play offs. I agree in that he certainly has his limitations. This season there haven't been enough options at centre back, more so once it became obvious that Ricketts didn't want to play Sadler any more, next season I hope there are more options.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 22:32:19 GMT 1
Next season Sam Ricketts will be mostly reading B&A for all of his team talks and tactics. we like a manager who does as he's told ;-)
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 30, 2019 11:23:33 GMT 1
I ‘think’ I agree with you 100% But I do wonder if Waterfall’s limitations in pace and anything below the shoulders will mean he costs us too many goals a season to be a side that challenges for the play offs. I agree in that he certainly has his limitations. This season there haven't been enough options at centre back, more so once it became obvious that Ricketts didn't want to play Sadler any more, next season I hope there are more options. with sears injured they may look for a right back/ wing back and you would expect them to look for at least one centre back( Saddler is out of contract and Ricketts has hardly played him )and if we dont keep grant a holding midfielder. i cant see Arnold been number one next season as we badly need another keeper.
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Post by tvor on May 2, 2019 16:25:57 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on May 3, 2019 13:14:47 GMT 1
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Post by shropshirelad42 on May 3, 2019 14:50:05 GMT 1
SR has been with us long enough now to know who he wants to keep for next season. Those with contracts due for renewal, who he wishes to keep, should have been offered new ones 6 weeks ago.
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Post by northwestman on May 3, 2019 15:56:28 GMT 1
Bolton has said he loves the place and wants to stay. But then so did NKP.
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Post by tvor on May 6, 2019 20:36:48 GMT 1
Lewis Cox looks to have indicted on twitter that Christos Shelis is leaving, he is out of contract this summer if I remember correctly.
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Post by martinshrew on May 6, 2019 20:41:50 GMT 1
Lewis Cox looks to have indicted on twitter that Christos Shellis is leaving? That would be a shame.
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2019 18:08:16 GMT 1
Centre midfield looks pretty much sorted already, not too much room for new players in there as things stand.
Grant, Edwards, Norburn, Laurent, Vincelot and Walker.
We're just needing an attack minded midfield player to replace Docherty unless Ricketts sees that role for Edwards.
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Post by philharvey on May 8, 2019 18:27:31 GMT 1
If Grant leaves, Edwards gets injured again, sort of thins it down again.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2019 7:59:06 GMT 1
Centre midfield looks pretty much sorted already, not too much room for new players in there as things stand. Grant, Edwards, Norburn, Laurent, Vincelot and Walker. We're just needing an attack minded midfield player to replace Docherty unless Ricketts sees that role for Edwards. with his injury record it would be a big risk not to replace Docherty and hope Edwards lasts a season.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 13:30:22 GMT 1
Centre midfield looks pretty much sorted already, not too much room for new players in there as things stand. Grant, Edwards, Norburn, Laurent, Vincelot and Walker. We're just needing an attack minded midfield player to replace Docherty unless Ricketts sees that role for Edwards. with his injury record it would be a big risk not to replace Docherty and hope Edwards lasts a season. It'll be interesting to see how Brad Walker gets on in preseason and whether or not he can force himself into a regular starting spot.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2019 15:37:04 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on May 9, 2019 17:54:04 GMT 1
Walker played as the holding midfielder at Wrexham so he could be competing with Grant for that position.
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Post by masshrop on May 9, 2019 21:14:44 GMT 1
this waterfall fellow is it the same one who won most aeriel duels in league?the same one who made most 18 yard box clearances and the same one who joint topped leading scorer from centre back ? remember also the spine of team this year compared to last , i honestly think a top end league one side will take him off us
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 9, 2019 21:33:06 GMT 1
Walker played as the holding midfielder at Wrexham so he could be competing with Grant for that position. Vincelot is also a holding midfielder
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Post by Mortgagehound on May 9, 2019 22:22:42 GMT 1
this waterfall fellow is it the same one who won most aeriel duels in league?the same one who made most 18 yard box clearances and the same one who joint topped leading scorer from centre back ? remember also the spine of team this year compared to last , i honestly think a top end league one side will take him off us Let’s hope so.....
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Post by greeny on May 9, 2019 23:03:11 GMT 1
this waterfall fellow is it the same one who won most aeriel duels in league?the same one who made most 18 yard box clearances and the same one who joint topped leading scorer from centre back ? remember also the spine of team this year compared to last , i honestly think a top end league one side will take him off us It’s brilliant how football can divide opinions because absolutely no part of me thinks he will be playing in top end league 1 side unless they are a surprise package and play a ‘physical’ brand of football. I agree he is great (the best) at heading, blocking and clearing but that’s your bread and butter. As a centre back, that’s what he needs to be doing. However you need to be able to do more these days. Centre backs dictate the style of football you can play. He panics me when he’s near the ball on the ground- whether he has the ball or if somebody is running at him and because of this we’ve been protecting him by playing 3 at the back (which means there has been no flexibility in formation). Agree he’s good from corners but he has been directly responsible for goals this season and puts us under pressure too. He seems like a good guy and he clearly gives 100% week after week but, personally, his limitations far outweigh his benefits.
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2019 0:00:37 GMT 1
this waterfall fellow is it the same one who won most aeriel duels in league?the same one who made most 18 yard box clearances and the same one who joint topped leading scorer from centre back ? remember also the spine of team this year compared to last , i honestly think a top end league one side will take him off us It’s brilliant how football can divide opinions because absolutely no part of me thinks he will be playing in top end league 1 side unless they are a surprise package and play a ‘physical’ brand of football. I agree he is great (the best) at heading, blocking and clearing but that’s your bread and butter. As a centre back, that’s what he needs to be doing. However you need to be able to do more these days. Centre backs dictate the style of football you can play. He panics me when he’s near the ball on the ground- whether he has the ball or if somebody is running at him and because of this we’ve been protecting him by playing 3 at the back (which means there has been no flexibility in formation). Agree he’s good from corners but he has been directly responsible for goals this season and puts us under pressure too. He seems like a good guy and he clearly gives 100% week after week but, personally, his limitations far outweigh his benefits. we'd have been relegated without him in my opinion
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Post by greeny on May 10, 2019 0:40:19 GMT 1
It’s brilliant how football can divide opinions because absolutely no part of me thinks he will be playing in top end league 1 side unless they are a surprise package and play a ‘physical’ brand of football. I agree he is great (the best) at heading, blocking and clearing but that’s your bread and butter. As a centre back, that’s what he needs to be doing. However you need to be able to do more these days. Centre backs dictate the style of football you can play. He panics me when he’s near the ball on the ground- whether he has the ball or if somebody is running at him and because of this we’ve been protecting him by playing 3 at the back (which means there has been no flexibility in formation). Agree he’s good from corners but he has been directly responsible for goals this season and puts us under pressure too. He seems like a good guy and he clearly gives 100% week after week but, personally, his limitations far outweigh his benefits. we'd have been relegated without him in my opinion Yes, with what we had available to us this season. I just think there is better available out there who I hope we can get hold of with better recruitment- in the mold of Williams. Did you say Ricketts’ plan involved players who are ‘quick’? That sounds good to me as he’s clearly identified what is needed to be successful in this division. Waterfall does not fit that criteria. If the manager thinks he can incorporate him into our long term plan then I’m more than happy to see how he does that and how it plays out.
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Post by wakemanender on May 10, 2019 7:06:14 GMT 1
Waterfall is a striker waiting to happen.
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