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Post by jamo on Feb 3, 2019 13:45:53 GMT 1
Dictatorship (noun) implies absolute power — one person who takes control — of a political situation, a family, a classroom or even a camping expedition.
There are other interpretations but this one seems to suit best.
For me this is the crux of our situation, and has been for a while. The club, in all leadership regards is stagnant, benign and I would go as far as saying out of control. With a despotic leader, accountable and answerable to no one then the almost inevitable outcome will be collapse, splintering factions and many many years of decline. The question is, where will we be as a club whilst this rebuilding takes place. And will we ever be able to recover sufficiently to realise whatever potential we have.
We can appoint and sack Askey (rightly or wrongly) we can appoint and possibly sack Ricketts (rightly or wrongly), we can get ourselves a new CEO whenever but the more astute observers all know that that is papering over the one major crack that infests this club.
As supporters we can shield our eyes from the real debate with our our claims and counter claims as to the merits of the team, the formation, the leadership et al, but for how much longer can we ignore the one critical issue that will define our future. Accountable and representative leadership our club.
We’ve campaigned before and should consider doing so again, (through the Supporters Parliament I would suggest) and organise ourselves to make our views and intentions known. He has to go.
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Post by Dale on Feb 3, 2019 13:56:02 GMT 1
I do wonder why he wants to hang on at his age, he’s achieved all he can here now, if he wants to wait until we get promotion to the Championship he will be waiting a long time as we blew our chance for that last year, it’ll probably be at least another 30 years before we might ever get into that position again. He needs to seek buyers who can take the club in a new and fresh direction, I guess we will probably get all the ‘be careful what you wish for’ stuff now, don’t deny he’s been a good guardian of the club but he’s achieved all he can here now, the club will continue to stagnate whilst he remains in charge, he really should look to retire and enjoy his last few years watching Salop as a honourary president.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2019 13:59:31 GMT 1
I bet that big round flag the kids wave looks good though from the balcony
I cant see it from where I sit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 14:03:27 GMT 1
One word - despot!
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Post by al36shrew on Feb 3, 2019 14:03:58 GMT 1
I am reliably informed that the club is up for sale and has been for a while . Offers have been made but the main man is holding out for a ridiculous amount . If there is a dictatership at the club why wasn’t Hurst reappointed as manager. The rumours were the main man wanted him back ??
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Post by Dale on Feb 3, 2019 14:06:00 GMT 1
I am reliably informed that the club is up for sale and has been for a while . Offers have been made but the main man is holding out for a ridiculously amount . If there is a dictatership at the club why wasn’t Hurst reappointed as manager. The rumours were the main man wanted him back ?? The rumours also were that a certain someone would resign if he did come back, basically given an ultimatum!
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Post by al36shrew on Feb 3, 2019 14:07:37 GMT 1
I am reliably informed that the club is up for sale and has been for a while . Offers have been made but the main man is holding out for a ridiculously amount . If there is a dictatership at the club why wasn’t Hurst reappointed as manager. The rumours were the main man wanted him back ?? The rumours also were that a certain someone would resign if he did come back, basically given an ultimatum! A dictator would care surely?🤔
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Post by horse01 on Feb 3, 2019 14:08:28 GMT 1
I am reliably informed that the club is up for sale and has been for a while . Offers have been made but the main man is holding out for a ridiculously amount . If there is a dictatership at the club why wasn’t Hurst reappointed as manager. The rumours were the main man wanted him back ?? The rumours also were that a certain someone would resign if he did come back, basically given an ultimatum! Couldn’t disagree with either of those comments!!
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Feb 3, 2019 14:09:50 GMT 1
Dictatorship (noun) implies absolute power — one person who takes control — of a political situation, a family, a classroom or even a camping expedition. There are other interpretations but this one seems to suit best. For me this is the crux of our situation, and has been for a while. The club, in all leadership regards is stagnant, benign and I would go as far as saying out of control. With a despotic leader, accountable and answerable to no one then the almost inevitable outcome will be collapse, splintering factions and many many years of decline. The question is, where will we be as a club whilst this rebuilding takes place. And will we ever be able to recover sufficiently to realise whatever potential we have. We can appoint and sack Askey (rightly or wrongly) we can appoint and possibly sack Ricketts (rightly or wrongly), we can get ourselves a new CEO whenever but the more astute observers all know that that is papering over the one major crack that infests this club. As supporters we can shield our eyes from the real debate with our our claims and counter claims as to the merits of the team, the formation, the leadership et al, but for how much longer can we ignore the one critical issue that will define our future. Accountable and representative leadership our club. We’ve campaigned before and should consider doing so again, (through the Supporters Parliament I would suggest) and organise ourselves to make our views and intentions known. He has to go. when you say campaign how do you mean? In my opinion there’s only one way he will take notice , and that’s falling attendances .
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2019 14:47:41 GMT 1
I am reliably informed that the club is up for sale and has been for a while . Offers have been made but the main man is holding out for a ridiculous amount . If there is a dictatership at the club why wasn’t Hurst reappointed as manager. The rumours were the main man wanted him back ?? Hurst was not interested in a return.
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Post by percy on Feb 3, 2019 18:17:12 GMT 1
I'd be surprised if he hadn't already recouped his investment in the club at least once over so now, IMO, it is just greed and the power - I think we've all heard the story that he's looking to sell at the right price but that his asking price is far in excess of anything that anyone is prepared to pay.
Don't forget that when he lets go of the club he will just be another pensioner with a bit of cash behind him - no Smithers bringing him his tea or young lads told to respect him. Cannot see him selling voluntarily.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Feb 3, 2019 18:39:54 GMT 1
I have no idea but are there any real supporters of Shrewsbury Town fc that have the money to take the club forward in the way people want? Not just investors or property developers. I like having our own ground, training ground and money in the bank.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 3, 2019 18:44:16 GMT 1
Better the devil you know
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Post by feltonshrew on Feb 3, 2019 18:55:39 GMT 1
Why so much displeasure towards the chairman. we have a ground that’s up there with the best in our league, training facilities that others envy and he has financially supported the last 3 managers in transfer windows. not his fault some have chosen some average players. the club is on a good financial footing. Do we want to do a port fail.
He listened to the fans who booed Askey for a few weeks and got rid.
are we really sure any new owner would invest in the club or just take us into debt by trying to buy a promotion. there will be a time he moves on and when he does the club will be in a solid financial position. i think we all know with the players we have we shouldn’t be in the position we are but it isn’t because of his lack of support to the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:11:19 GMT 1
Why so much displeasure towards the chairman. we have a ground that’s up there with the best in our league, training facilities that others envy and he has financially supported the last 3 managers in transfer windows. not his fault some have chosen some average players. the club is on a good financial footing. Do we want to do a port fail. He listened to the fans who booed Askey for a few weeks and got rid. are we really sure any new owner would invest in the club or just take us into debt by trying to buy a promotion. there will be a time he moves on and when he does the club will be in a solid financial position. i think we all know with the players we have we shouldn’t be in the position we are but it isn’t because of his lack of support to the manager. Lol. Our ground is outrageously average. And despite nigh on heroism by the supporters parliament remains so.
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Post by haughmond on Feb 3, 2019 19:11:25 GMT 1
Eventually he has released some money to help in our “ promotion” push, or the January Grabbing at Straws Window as it should be known. With the money the club must have made lately, big games, big games at home in the Cups, Cup replays ( more to come) etc etc, I cannot think that we are spending more than we can afford.
However, we needed to invest in an experienced manager at this level and above. Instead, twice, we bought in managers who have no track record of managing at this level, and it seems that we will be soon looking for number three. This cannot continue, the club is gradually being eroded by an egotist who thinks of nobody but himself and his own ambitions which do not marry with the ambitions of the fanbase. Time for him to go.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 3, 2019 19:33:34 GMT 1
What the club has required for some years (probably about 10 years) is a succession plan so that there is continuity. A club without debt is potentially attractive to all sorts of wrong characters and meeting a high asking price is one way of ensuring that returns have to be realised to recoup the higher cost.
It is genuinely an issue of concern.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 3, 2019 19:35:06 GMT 1
I'd be surprised if he hadn't already recouped his investment in the club at least once over so now, IMO, it is just greed and the power - I think we've all heard the story that he's looking to sell at the right price but that his asking price is far in excess of anything that anyone is prepared to pay. Don't forget that when he lets go of the club he will just be another pensioner with a bit of cash behind him - no Smithers bringing him his tea or young lads told to respect him. Cannot see him selling voluntarily. Unless you know the asking price and the offers supposedly made, how are you in any position to make the judgement you do? If you’re selling your house but are in no particular hurry to do it, do you immediately lower the price to the level of the highest offer, even if it’s way below valuation? And the valuation may not only be his - there’s a lot of valuable land there, in fact the land must be worth far more than a football club that loses money regularly. Would you sell it cheaply? Who knows, maybe he’s even concerned not to sell to the wrong party, someone whose interest is in the land value, not the football club. God knows, there have been enough of them troubling other clubs. You suggest strongly that, once the original investment has been recouped, there’s no reason except greed and power to carry on. What a bizarrely narrow perspective. Isn’t it possible that he might simply enjoy it? That it gives him a sense of involvement and purpose, just as a lot of people seek as retirement approaches? I don’t know the man at all but I don’t understand the obsessive desire of some for him to sell up and go. By the way, what’s an involuntary sale?
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Post by tdk on Feb 3, 2019 19:36:27 GMT 1
Be interesting if he sold so we became a fan owned club like Wrexham. Wonder how many would be happy to go massively in debt to chase promotion if it was their money at stake?
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Post by venceremos on Feb 3, 2019 19:37:49 GMT 1
What the club has required for some years (probably about 10 years) is a succession plan so that there is continuity. A club without debt is potentially attractive to all sorts of wrong characters and meeting a high asking price is one way of ensuring that returns have to be realised to recoup the higher cost. It is genuinely an issue of concern. Whereas a low asking price more or less guarantees a buyer can turn a substantial profit quickly. It is a concern, I agree, but I suspect it always will be.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 3, 2019 19:39:09 GMT 1
Be interesting if he sold so we became a fan owned club like Wrexham. Wonder how many would be happy to go massively in debt to chase promotion if it was their money at stake? Would they show ambition? I know I wouldn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:23:50 GMT 1
Be interesting if he sold so we became a fan owned club like Wrexham. Wonder how many would be happy to go massively in debt to chase promotion if it was their money at stake? Not me that's for sure.
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Post by tdk on Feb 3, 2019 20:40:31 GMT 1
I might put in a few hundred, certainly not the thousands or 10s of thousands needed
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 3, 2019 20:47:14 GMT 1
I have no idea but are there any real supporters of Shrewsbury Town fc that have the money to take the club forward in the way people want? Not just investors or property developers. I like having our own ground, training ground and money in the bank. I would put in the name of Derek Passant, major shareholder former Director, until he fell out with RW, and MD of the company in Shropshire with the largest turnover....Greenhous Group, annual turnover £1 billion according to the Duedil portal. Question is would RW sell to him?
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 3, 2019 20:49:36 GMT 1
Be interesting if he sold so we became a fan owned club like Wrexham. Wonder how many would be happy to go massively in debt to chase promotion if it was their money at stake? Name one succesfull fan owned club ! Just look 40 odd miles down the A49 to Hereford F.C, they appear to be on the point of imploding
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Post by tdk on Feb 3, 2019 20:53:53 GMT 1
Non in England, think those in Spain and Germany ok
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Feb 3, 2019 20:54:18 GMT 1
Be interesting if he sold so we became a fan owned club like Wrexham. Wonder how many would be happy to go massively in debt to chase promotion if it was their money at stake? Name one succesfull fan owned club ! Just look 40 odd miles down the A49 to Hereford F.C, they appear to be on the point of imploding Hereford are not fan owed.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 3, 2019 20:57:44 GMT 1
I apologise for my lack of knowledge on this subject, I’ve given small amounts of cash to it over the years, but have no idea about the plans of the organisation.
Shrewstrust
My understanding (and please correct me if I’m at all wrong) was that if the club ever fell on hard times, shrewstrust was there to take over straightaway, and not allow any quick buck, rouge investors to act like vultures. How much money does shrewstrust have in the bank. Are they in a position to buy the club. And what if the chairman drops dead tomorrow, do shrewstrust step in?
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 3, 2019 21:04:44 GMT 1
Eventually he has released some money to help in our “ promotion” push, or the January Grabbing at Straws Window as it should be known. With the money the club must have made lately, big games, big games at home in the Cups, Cup replays ( more to come) etc etc, I cannot think that we are spending more than we can afford. However, we needed to invest in an experienced manager at this level and above. Instead, twice, we bought in managers who have no track record of managing at this level, and it seems that we will be soon looking for number three. This cannot continue, the club is gradually being eroded by an egotist who thinks of nobody but himself and his own ambitions which do not marry with the ambitions of the fanbase. Time for him to go. Quality post.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 3, 2019 21:05:27 GMT 1
Where has this thread come from and why?
I will admit that over the years I have criticised Roland as much as the next person but with hinesight have developed a healthy respect for what he has achieved for our club.If you consider that when he first took over he had to sell Throb and Stevens to stop the bank from placing the club in administration to where we are now in our own stadium, with our own training facilities, money in the bank etc we really have come a long way
OK no doubt he has made money from the club, so what?, that's how it works. The only real weakness that I can see is that he isn't that good at appointing new managers and is also,normally, too loyal to the existing manager when things start going wrong, eg Ratcliffe and Mellon were both allowed to resign when they both should have been dismissed.
Add in that he is a lifelong fan, a local man who cares for the club, and we could have a lot lot worse when you consider some of the diabolical things that other so called "owners" have done to the clubs that they have bought
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