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Post by southstandviewer on Jan 22, 2019 20:12:37 GMT 1
How about loyalty points carry over for max 3 years, this then gives a better reflection of loyalty. Someone this season attending 9 games at home treated exactly the same as someone who has gone once not really rewarding loyalty.
Carried over points allows for A larger sliding scale of loyalty to be implemented and is more reflective of consistent attendance. Those who cannot quite justify a season ticket but attend loads over a number of years be near the front of the queue. Allow people who work a lot of weekends to build up their points through midweek games. Those who previously attended a lot but fall ill, simply loose their job or personal circumstances change etc would not go to the bottom of the queue immediately. Those who come once in the hope we draw Man U / Chelsea etc to be at the bottom.
Allowing the purchase of 4 tickets per STH needs a rethink.
A few tweeks to the system would resolve a lot of issues.
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Post by markievw on Jan 22, 2019 20:17:56 GMT 1
It's the 4 tickets per season ticket holder that has ****ed this game up. Think this should just be the season ticket holder ticket. Can you imagine the chaos if they operated similar for a Liverpool or Man utd game.
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Post by wurlitzer on Jan 22, 2019 20:20:30 GMT 1
Me and my boys went to over 15 games last season. This season, despite family circumstances meaning we couldn't go in August, November and December, we still have 5 points each. No tickets for us, lots of tears over tea tonight. A right royal f*@# up by the club. Thanks a bunch You are not alone (not that it helps) - what a disgrace - friends of season ticket holders getting priority over genuine supporters like yourselves - unbelievable and inexcusable. Shame on STFC.
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Post by Jason SFM on Jan 22, 2019 20:25:10 GMT 1
It's the 4 tickets per season ticket holder that has ****ed this game up. Think this should just be the season ticket holder ticket. Can you imagine the chaos if they operated similar for a Liverpool or Man utd game. ST + 2 would have been fairer. Just seems the club wanted to shift the tickets as quickly as possible.
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Post by Jason SFM on Jan 22, 2019 20:28:07 GMT 1
Fob off from the club: "The remaining 25% of Season Ticket holders who hadn’t purchased yet (of which we have 3500+) were still eligible to purchase tickets over the last 2 days also so I’m assuming a number of those bought their allotted allocation too." I'm guessing that they may have got other ST holders to purchase their tickets for them. I do know a few ST holders who have done this.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 22, 2019 20:48:48 GMT 1
Lots of suggestions on here - I suggest contacting the supporters parliament, who are far more likely to do something to help longer term than any rant about how the club is ‘rotten to the core’.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 20:51:51 GMT 1
Genuine question, the club have filled the stadium, does anyone think they care that half of the ground will be filled with day trippers or Wolves fans in the home end rather then genuine fans with <10 loyalty points?
They’ve sold every seat for somewhere between £10-£20, they put the four tickets per person system in place to make sure they sell out and make maximum £££ (which to a degree is understandable) but they’ve p**sed off a lot of fans who, as they don’t have STs, are the fans they really, really shouldn’t be forcing away on matchdays.
Do they care or are they just happy to have the cash from a sell out?
It’s like the argument of Premier League prices. The genuine down to earth local fans who get up and support the side probably can’t afford to go very often so you see many tourists turning up. But if the stadium is selling out at £80 a ticket why would they chop the price in half just to let the more genuine local fan get to watch his team, the ground would be full either way, so the if the clubs making money why would they care. It’s no wonder the likes of Arsenal charge extortionate ticket prices when it’s regularly full anyway.
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Post by chestershrew on Jan 22, 2019 21:01:59 GMT 1
It's the 4 tickets per season ticket holder that has ****ed this game up. Think this should just be the season ticket holder ticket. Can you imagine the chaos if they operated similar for a Liverpool or Man utd game. ST + 2 would have been fairer. Just seems the club wanted to shift the tickets as quickly as possible. I think your right, them wanting them to shift them as quickly as possible is the key. A terrible miscalculation by someone, which is crazy as recently as last season the systems in place worked for the West Ham cup and Charlton play off games. It feels a crazy situation where I will not be taking my 6 year old daughter who has 4 loyalty points on her card, because season ticket holders were given the opportunity to take two children who have never been before.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 22, 2019 21:09:57 GMT 1
I'm really surprised (and slightly concerned) at how quickly this has sold out.
You're never going to stop the "bringing a mate" effect (full disclosure; I bought a ticket for a Wolves supporting colleague*) but this isn't the first time we've had a draw like this and there generally are tickets available for general sale. Don't recall even man utd at home selling out as fast as this.
I suspect there is going to be an awful lot of Wolves fans in Town sections of the ground. Hopefully a majority of these will be local glory hunters who've come out of the woodwork now wolves are in the prem as opposed to knuckle draggers but you can guarantee some dickhead day tripper will have too much to drink and celebrate a bit too vociferously.
Can see some trouble brewing in the West Stand on Saturday. The 4 tickets policy is a major misstep; I think I'm right in saying that our last league fixture with Wolves is a record attendance for a league game (or certainly was). It was always going to sell out, there was no need to bring out the big guns.
*Disclaimer; this guy is an actual Wolves fan from Wolverhampton as opposed to an armchair fan and, had I known the real ticket position, I may well have reconsidered.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Jan 22, 2019 21:12:41 GMT 1
Does look like it was a case of sell out asap. I'm sure people with 1-9 points make up at least 25 percent of the crowd every week. last season worked really well why change it?
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 22, 2019 21:17:28 GMT 1
Genuine question, the club have filled the stadium, does anyone think they care that half of the ground will be filled with day trippers or Wolves fans in the home end rather then genuine fans with <10 loyalty points? Is there any evidence beyond a couple of isolated anecdotal cases that this is true? Would imagine most of the additional tickets bought by ST holders were for fellow supporters who were under the loyalty point threshold. That's not to say it's the fairest way of allocating the tickets, as it's clearly not, and I've got sympathy with anyone with points who didn't get a ticket, but I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jan 22, 2019 21:21:00 GMT 1
I'm really surprised (and slightly concerned) at how quickly this has sold out. You're never going to stop the "bringing a mate" effect (full disclosure; I bought a ticket for a Wolves supporting colleague*) but this isn't the first time we've had a draw like this and there generally are tickets available for general sale. Don't recall even man utd at home selling out as fast as this. I suspect there is going to be an awful lot of Wolves fans in Town sections of the ground. Hopefully a majority of these will be local glory hunters who've come out of the woodwork now wolves are in the prem as opposed to knuckle draggers but you can guarantee some dickhead day tripper will have too much to drink and celebrate a bit too vociferously. Can see some trouble brewing in the West Stand on Saturday. The 4 tickets policy is a major misstep; I think I'm right in saying that our last league fixture with Wolves is a record attendance for a league game (or certainly was). It was always going to sell out, there was no need to bring out the big guns. *Disclaimer; this guy is an actual Wolves fan from Wolverhampton as opposed to an armchair fan and, had I known the real ticket position, I may well have reconsidered. this is exactly the reason why it should have been 1 ticket per client reference . As said somewhere above . Some guy who him and his kids have 5 points a piece , has got to put his kids to bed crying tonight , whilst some dingle sits in the home end . **** off stfc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 21:28:43 GMT 1
Genuine question, the club have filled the stadium, does anyone think they care that half of the ground will be filled with day trippers or Wolves fans in the home end rather then genuine fans with <10 loyalty points? Is there any evidence beyond a couple of isolated anecdotal cases that this is true? Would imagine most of the additional tickets bought by ST holders were for fellow supporters who were under the loyalty point threshold. That's not to say it's the fairest way of allocating the tickets, as it's clearly not, and I've got sympathy with anyone with points who didn't get a ticket, but I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory. Already said something similar. I agree that 4 tickets per person sounds ridiculous but in reality it was one extra ticket plus 2 child tickets and I'm sure the club had said the uptake from season ticket holders was less than 2 per person on average. And like you I would guess a high percentage of the second tickets has gone to town fans with loyalty points who didn't want to wait/risk it.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 22, 2019 21:28:54 GMT 1
Genuine question, the club have filled the stadium, does anyone think they care that half of the ground will be filled with day trippers or Wolves fans in the home end rather then genuine fans with <10 loyalty points? Is there any evidence beyond a couple of isolated anecdotal cases that this is true? Would imagine most of the additional tickets bought by ST holders were for fellow supporters who were under the loyalty point threshold. That's not to say it's the fairest way of allocating the tickets, as it's clearly not, and I've got sympathy with anyone with points who didn't get a ticket, but I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory. From the group of people I usually go with, all the additional tickets bought by season ticket holders went to people who would have been in the loyalty points categories. I didn't get a season ticket this year due to the impending birth of my 2nd child meaning I'll likely miss most of the back end of the season (in theory at least) but did the same maths as every one else seems to have and assumed that there would be around 2k left for 1 to 9 pts and general sale so didn't feel too guilty about buying a ticket for my colleague when asked. The **** up appears to be around this 1.8 tickets thing; somebody's obviously just gone " divide the number of tickets sold by season ticket holders" which gives the impression that most had bought so the remaining 2300 were available for the remainder. I suspect that those 5777 were bought by far fewer season ticket holders than thought and sths continued to buy in the days that followed. I'm also not ruling out a **** up on the 2 kids tickets. I distinctly remember being able to buy 6 tickets over the phone for Dagenham away a few years back even though the policy was meant to be sth plus one. Sounds like a few people have just been sold 4 regular tickets. As for wolves fans in our end I'm aware of 3 instances so far and the consensus from others seems to be that it's widespread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 21:38:40 GMT 1
Yeah, I know of three season ticket holders who used their extra to go to non-season ticket holder regulars.
Saved a lot of hassle. And you sort your mates out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 21:48:20 GMT 1
Genuine question, the club have filled the stadium, does anyone think they care that half of the ground will be filled with day trippers or Wolves fans in the home end rather then genuine fans with <10 loyalty points? Is there any evidence beyond a couple of isolated anecdotal cases that this is true? Would imagine most of the additional tickets bought by ST holders were for fellow supporters who were under the loyalty point threshold. That's not to say it's the fairest way of allocating the tickets, as it's clearly not, and I've got sympathy with anyone with points who didn't get a ticket, but I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory. Yeah that’s fair, I’m sure a lot have got tickets for actual genuine Town fans, but with this four tickets per person thing there will undoubtably be many more ‘one game a season’ fans and Wolves fans in the home end then if it had been done properly.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 22, 2019 21:49:50 GMT 1
Me and my boys went to over 15 games last season. This season, despite family circumstances meaning we couldn't go in August, November and December, we still have 5 points each. No tickets for us, lots of tears over tea tonight. A right royal f*@# up by the club. Thanks a bunch
Look, owd lad, put your name on the pinned thread at the top of the page. As the weekend nears, you might be lucky. I'll certainly keep an ear to the ground for you.
Also, go on the waiting list for returned tickets with the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 21:55:48 GMT 1
Is there any evidence beyond a couple of isolated anecdotal cases that this is true? Would imagine most of the additional tickets bought by ST holders were for fellow supporters who were under the loyalty point threshold. That's not to say it's the fairest way of allocating the tickets, as it's clearly not, and I've got sympathy with anyone with points who didn't get a ticket, but I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory. Yeah that’s fair, I’m sure a lot have got tickets for actual genuine Town fans, but with this four tickets per person thing there will undoubtably be many more ‘one game a season’ fans and Wolves fans in the home end then if it had been done properly. I genuinely think the club felt this way would reduce the amount of tickets which would end up in the hands of Wolves fans as they would be sold to Shrewsbury fans with few (if any) ending up in general sale and being picked up by Wolves fans. The theory is good, the reality is Shrewsbury fans have brought them and some have been sold to Wolves fans. Some may blame the fans for doing that, some may blame the club for giving them the opportunity to do it.
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Post by haughmond on Jan 22, 2019 23:19:44 GMT 1
I think Valerioch posts on this page are extremely rude and disrespectful to fellow posteregarding rs. Ignore him, best to. He takes the view that if you have not got a ticket ,well, hard luck , regardless of what your status is regarding your past history of going to games. And then, funnily enough, says he himself is not going. Brilliant. What a t**t.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 22, 2019 23:22:59 GMT 1
Yeah that’s fair, I’m sure a lot have got tickets for actual genuine Town fans, but with this four tickets per person thing there will undoubtably be many more ‘one game a season’ fans and Wolves fans in the home end then if it had been done properly. I genuinely think the club felt this way would reduce the amount of tickets which would end up in the hands of Wolves fans as they would be sold to Shrewsbury fans with few (if any) ending up in general sale and being picked up by Wolves fans. The theory is good, the reality is Shrewsbury fans have brought them and some have been sold to Wolves fans. Some may blame the fans for doing that, some may blame the club for giving them the opportunity to do it. Hmm, not convinced this is the best strategy. Season ticket holders are also the ones who get approached immediately at work or elsewhere begging for tickets.
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Post by Beefy on Jan 22, 2019 23:36:53 GMT 1
As I stated last week the whole thing has been a shambles from the club. I work with a wolves season ticket holder , he hasn’t been able to get a ticket but he knows of 6 friends who have all got tickets in the town end , 2 of them on child tickets . He says they are not the types to sit quietly too
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Post by southstandviewer on Jan 22, 2019 23:46:54 GMT 1
Had an e mail late tonight from Martin in the ticket office saying sold out at 1030 and asking for my views on why I think they have handled it badly.
I have replied and gone on the returns list.
The only game in 40 years I have not been able to get a ticket home or away, strange that.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Jan 22, 2019 23:54:29 GMT 1
Would be interesting if all Wolves fans in the home end were rounded up and given the netted off seats in the away end just how many empty seats there would be. Feel really sorry with any one who as kids that really as been to games this season, and not got a ticket today. I'm sure some parents came home from work tonight and found the sold out post. My day was bad enough as I'v only ever been in block 8/9 and this year we stand in the same place each time in safe standing (always empty spaces around us so god knows who as filled the normally empty spaces) and now only 3 out of the five family members that normal go got tickets and we are all split up round 14, Hope they don't mind noise in there!!!
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 23, 2019 0:00:05 GMT 1
I think Valerioch posts on this page are extremely rude and disrespectful to fellow posteregarding rs. Ignore him, best to. He takes the view that if you have not got a ticket ,well, hard luck , regardless of what your status is regarding your past history of going to games. And then, funnily enough, says he himself is not going. Brilliant. What a t**t. Grown men crying over a football ticket. Not me who’s the t**t
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 23, 2019 0:02:25 GMT 1
As I stated last week the whole thing has been a shambles from the club. I work with a wolves season ticket holder , he hasn’t been able to get a ticket but he knows of 6 friends who have all got tickets in the town end , 2 of them on child tickets . He says they are not the types to sit quietly too I know a few doing that also, again, not you're middle aged types who will grab a pie, watch the game and be happy to be there. Could be interesting Saturday.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 23, 2019 1:03:58 GMT 1
Two things cross my mind.
1) The gate people need clear instructions to check every child's ticket.
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2) How have we managed to break a system that works? And alienate people who could have attended 9 games this season with their children?
That is bonkers.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 23, 2019 1:25:20 GMT 1
Two things cross my mind. 1) The gate people need clear instructions to check every child's ticket. and 2) How have we managed to break a system that works? And alienate people who could have attended 9 games this season with their children? That is bonkers. The SP have to raise this.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 23, 2019 10:07:53 GMT 1
I am sre someone will correct me if Im wrong but in the good old Gay Meadow days there were no loyalty points and for big cup games once season ticket holders had been given first refusal for big cup game tickets it was then a good old free for all lining up from the ground over the English Bridge and up Wyle Cop with lots of banter and complaints about Secretary Mal Starkey. He really used to take some stick. Great days. Getting to Shrewsbury at 5.30 in the morning was such fun , following the queue up to the top of the Cop thought it was unreal to see a line that long.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 23, 2019 10:57:16 GMT 1
Two things cross my mind. 1) The gate people need clear instructions to check every child's ticket. and 2) How have we managed to break a system that works? And alienate people who could have attended 9 games this season with their children? That is bonkers. At what age do you have to start paying for kids? On the couple of occasions I've bought my 2.5 year old he's been free but had his own ticket. I'm therefore guessing that some of these notorious child's tickets would in theory have been free or heavily discounted. Sounds like this policy, if enacted, would be against the financial interests of the club as well as royally p**sing off a number of fans.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 23, 2019 10:59:24 GMT 1
under 12 for kids free isnt it.... and yes it will have lost the club some money over adult sales but its worth the hit to try and spark the fire in the next generation???
For the record caught up with Mike at the SP this AM, and hes going to have a look at this thread and see what the SP can do going forward...
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