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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 9:16:24 GMT 1
if we sign a new forward which is an if Angol still has two and half years left on his contract, what do we do with him ?
hope he decides to play? have him warming the bench for two and half years with some brief appearances as a sub ? i cant imagine anyone will wont him on loan ? cut our losses suck it up and pay him off?
There was questions about his attitude when he signed well they seem to have been true, after showing some promise three managers have not been able to get him to play. prior to Lewis injury he had dropped down to our fourth choice forward.
what i find frustrating is i dont think he is as good as he thinks he is but he could be a reasonable forward if he applied himself and that is the problem, who knows what that is but for some time his lack of effort and disinterest when he has come on has not won him any admirers .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 15, 2019 9:31:49 GMT 1
Does anyone actually know how much we paid for Angol? There was a fee involved wasn't there? Did anyone ever get a sniff of what it was... I think I would be happy to see him move on. Granted we've not seen a great deal from him but he doesn't look up to the standard needed at this level and more than that, he just doesn't look as though he is enjoying himself out there, he doesn't look happy. If we could free up some wages for someone and give them a go then I think we should do so. Concern is though there that appears to be very little happening on the transfer front...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 15, 2019 9:34:28 GMT 1
Doesn't want to be here.
Serious ego and very lazy.
Get rid.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 9:37:35 GMT 1
Does anyone actually know how much we paid for Angol? There was a fee involved wasn't there? Did anyone ever get a sniff of what it was... I think I would be happy to see him move on. Granted we've not seen a great deal from him but he doesn't look up to the standard needed at this level and more than that, he just doesn't look as though he is enjoying himself out there, he doesn't look happy. If we could free up some wages for someone and give them a go then I think we should do so. Concern is though there that appears to be very little happening on the transfer front... <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="5.259999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 5.259999999999991px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86640652" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="5.259999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 5.26px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70627182" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="5.259999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 5.26px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 201px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42923856" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="5.259999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 5.26px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 201px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30008096" scrolling="no"></iframe> if we can sign another forward and only if and i share your concern about what is happening on the transfer market. what would we gain from keeping him ? we would be paying a salary for a player who shows very little interest when he does come on. if he is like that when he does play i wonder what his attitude is on the training ground ,for me he is dead wood .
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Post by criftins on Jan 15, 2019 10:15:54 GMT 1
Good test for Ricketts man management skills even IF we sign a striker we’ve lost LJL so short anyway I think he has at least the same potential as Holloway and we seriously need goals. Can Ricketts and Ramsey get more out of him, we need them too. What’s even more worrying is how we’ve gone backwards since SR was appointed.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 15, 2019 10:23:07 GMT 1
If Angol goes we'll need at least 2 more forwards as LJL is already out for the season.
Halfway through the transfer window and so far all we've signed is a 32 year old who's already got himself injured, a player who can't play for us til next season, and are on the verge of signing a 'keeper who is a rejected trialist.
We are definitely in a relegation battle, and playing quite a number of our rivals away from home with our present away record is even more worrying.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 15, 2019 10:34:03 GMT 1
I dont quite understand this anti Angol talk.
I have always found him to be a promising player and certainly a better option than Mr Holloway.
However there is clearly a story as to why he fell dramatically down the pecking order and the resulting reliance on Mr Shop.
Anyway I understand that there will be a new Striker announced in the next 48 hours
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 10:37:28 GMT 1
I dont quite understand this anti Angol talk. I have always found him to be a promising player and certainly a better option than Mr Holloway. However there is clearly a story as to why he fell dramatically down the pecking order and the resulting reliance on Mr Shop. Anyway I understand that there will be a new Striker announced in the next 48 hours In era of rejected trailists welcome on board Steven Craig.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Jan 15, 2019 10:39:11 GMT 1
get the runt out of our club, typifies the mess this club has walked into since Askey and then the appointment of Ricketts.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 15, 2019 10:41:13 GMT 1
I dont quite understand this anti Angol talk. I have always found him to be a promising player and certainly a better option than Mr Holloway. However there is clearly a story as to why he fell dramatically down the pecking order and the resulting reliance on Mr Shop. Anyway I understand that there will be a new Striker announced in the next 48 hours In era of rejected trailists welcome on board Steven Craig. Steven Craig? He's 37 and plays for Worcester City!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 11:22:49 GMT 1
In era of rejected trailists welcome on board Steven Craig. Steven Craig? He's 37 and plays for Worcester City! Not even there!!!!
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Post by albionshrew on Jan 15, 2019 11:26:39 GMT 1
In era of rejected trailists welcome on board Steven Craig. Steven Craig? He's 37 and plays for Worcester City! We should be beating the likes of Worcester City - at home anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 11:34:59 GMT 1
Hasn't had a look in for some time, threw his toys out of the pram it would seem after JA decided he could play out wide for some reason.
He's still quite young but not really seen enough from him to warrant keeping him on vs signing someone else.
He's only scored twice for us - I refuse to count that goal at Luton. That result summed up the first few months of this season...we couldn't even fluke a result!!!
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Post by venceremos on Jan 15, 2019 11:40:44 GMT 1
Too soon to be talking about cutting our losses. He still has a decent scoring ratio and looked our best striker when he was a regular starter. That was before Okenabirhie got his chance, but now the goals have dried up for him too.
I don't know why Angol fell out of favour or why Holloway and LJL have been preferred for so long. But we have two goalscorers and we're short of goals again. The obvious answer seems to me to be to start them together. It's not as if anything else is working well so why not try it?
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Post by tvor on Jan 15, 2019 11:57:21 GMT 1
Does anyone actually know how much we paid for Angol? There was a fee involved wasn't there? Did anyone ever get a sniff of what it was... This interview with the Mansfield Chairman from just prior to the Lee Angol transfer indicated they were looking for a substantial fee, at the time he thought he was worth £300,000+
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 11:58:43 GMT 1
I wonder if there have been any off field problems with Lee Angol that we wouldn't be aware of?
Just a thought.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 11:59:27 GMT 1
Too soon to be talking about cutting our losses. He still has a decent scoring ratio and looked our best striker when he was a regular starter. That was before Okenabirhie got his chance, but now the goals have dried up for him too. I don't know why Angol fell out of favour or why Holloway and LJL have been preferred for so long. But we have two goalscorers and we're short of goals again. The obvious answer seems to me to be to start them together. It's not as if anything else is working well so why not try it? <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.560000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 4.560000000000002px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69144542" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.560000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 864px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39475522" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.560000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 168px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44678695" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.560000000000002" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 864px; top: 168px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_97004031" scrolling="no"></iframe> i hope Rickets can get him playing but he needs to wont to play , when he does come on you would think he would be wanting to show a new manager why he should pick him. i cant remeber which game it was but he and docherty were subbed both were unhappy both had words with askey ,whilst docherty is inconsistent at least he trys. i am not a fan of Lewis but possibly that is why he and Holloway were getting picked before Angol. the last few times i saw him play he was caught offside a number of times because he could not be bothered to keep up with play, he comes on and looks totally disinterested and half hearted performances is not we need when we are in a relegation battle. what have got to lose by trying him with Holloway or ferjiri absolutely nothing but after that if he continues with such a poor attitude why keep him? beyond warming the bench if a forward is injured. what we need are two more forwards but i am not holding my breath.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 12:01:26 GMT 1
I wonder if there have been any off field problems with Lee Angol that we wouldn't be aware of? Just a thought. things seemd to unravel after he was subbed by Askey
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 15, 2019 12:24:12 GMT 1
Got to disagree...... We paid good money for Angol and he has shown some skills and abilities there’s a footballer in there somewhere... The problem is having a manager who can get the best out of the players and we haven’t had that this season. If he’s looking disinterested or lazy there’s probably a reason behind the scenes (not having a baby) It shouldn’t be like this, players on good mnoney should motivate themselves to play to the best of their ability all the time but footy isn’t like that anymore...
Yet again there's a bit more to recruitment than getting the players signature and expecting them to play as a team together. We’ve got players that have ability but we aren’t getting the best out of them, could start listing the strikers we’ve released / rejected that have gone on to play at th highest level but I believe the problem is the musician not the instrument....
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 15, 2019 12:42:27 GMT 1
Does anyone actually know how much we paid for Angol? There was a fee involved wasn't there? Did anyone ever get a sniff of what it was... This interview with the Mansfield Chairman from just prior to the Lee Angol transfer indicated they were looking for a substantial fee, at the time he thought he was worth £300,000+ Ouch...
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Post by Pilch on Jan 15, 2019 12:49:26 GMT 1
what a crazy suggestion lets pay someone a stupid amount of money to do nothing and take a chance with even more money getting someone else that might not be as good
dread to think what this idea would cost
I'd guess about £ 1/2M
we'd soon go bust doing tricks like this
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 15, 2019 12:56:07 GMT 1
I wonder if there have been any off field problems with Lee Angol that we wouldn't be aware of? Just a thought. We are aware of one with Askey, when he went AWOL in pre season (or was it early season) when he went to the birth of his child..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 13:00:28 GMT 1
I wonder if there have been any off field problems with Lee Angol that we wouldn't be aware of? Just a thought. We are aware of one with Askey, when he went AWOL in pre season (or was it early season) when he went to the birth of his child.. b******s. Awol implies desertion. He was given the weekend off by Askey to be present for this birth of his first child. Also for someone who isn't committed, he has moved into the area. Unlike a number of other players and managers current and former.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 13:00:39 GMT 1
what a crazy suggestion lets pay someone a stupid amount of money to do nothing and take a chance with even more money getting someone else that might not be as good dread to think what this idea would cost I'd guess about £ 1/2M we'd soon go bust doing tricks like this i am not happy about it either but would any club take him on loan? can anyone make him tick and want to play for us . i dont see it happening so we are stuck with him warming a bench for two and half years.so either way he costs us money
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 15, 2019 13:01:35 GMT 1
We are aware of one with Askey, when he went AWOL in pre season (or was it early season) when he went to the birth of his child.. b******s. Awol implies desertion. He was given the weekend off by Askey to be present for this birth of his first child. Was it not the accepted though that he didnt get the permission it it caused a load of trouble... I may well have remembered that wrong in all honesty... happy to be told its wrong..
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 15, 2019 13:02:27 GMT 1
what a crazy suggestion lets pay someone a stupid amount of money to do nothing and take a chance with even more money getting someone else that might not be as good dread to think what this idea would cost I'd guess about £ 1/2M we'd soon go bust doing tricks like this i am not happy about it either but would any club take him on loan? can anyone make him tick and want to play for us . i dont see it happening so we are stuck with him warming a bench for two and half years. Yeah, send him out on loan, where he does well and then wants to move on from us Just like Bryn Morris. Folks will still go nuts at that - LOL
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 13:05:04 GMT 1
i am not happy about it either but would any club take him on loan? can anyone make him tick and want to play for us . i dont see it happening so we are stuck with him warming a bench for two and half years. Yeah, send him out on loan, where he does well and then wants to move on from us Just like Bryn Morris. Folks will still go nuts at that - LOL well if he did then it would highlight that our man management was not good enough so how do you suggest we motivate him to play ? what would you do if you were the manger ?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 15, 2019 13:19:11 GMT 1
I dont, i dont think hes very good and if we can off load him for half his original value to someone I would take the hit and try elsewhere.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 15, 2019 14:14:19 GMT 1
Good test for Ricketts man management skills even IF we sign a striker we’ve lost LJL so short anyway I think he has at least the same potential as Holloway and we seriously need goals. Can Ricketts and Ramsey get more out of him, we need them too. What’s even more worrying is how we’ve gone backwards since SR was appointed. There is a performance enhancing guru at the club too. Getting the angle on Angol is a project for him to get his teeth into.
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 15, 2019 14:24:54 GMT 1
I posted something on another thread about Angol the other day. I don’t really get the stick he’s receiving. He was shamefully bad at Oxford but let’s face it, they all were. We loved him as a central striker and then Askey put him out wide after scoring 2 in 2. He always looks like he’s got something about him in his cameos but everyone else seems to think he looks disinterested which I can’t say I’ve noticed in his small time on the pitch.
I heard he was late for training due to the new baby but his ‘time off’ for Portsmouth away was surely agreed & completely acceptable. He shouldn’t be in the squad at all if he’s still ‘trouble’.. on that basis, I’m assuming he isn’t & I’d start him, not sell.
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