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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jan 15, 2019 0:26:56 GMT 1
15/01/2019 The day democracy died in the UK
We had all the preamble before the Brexit Referendum in 2016.
The people voted, fairly and squarely...
The populus demanded the Referendum. Online petitions, MP's raising the question etc.
The Tories pledged the Referendum in their Manifesto. All routes were taken for the franchise...
And now? Well well well? As the deadline for Brexit approaches..We've got chaos.
We've got comrade Corbyn finding a screwdiver which could release a trapdoor that could find him Prime .. (lump in throat)...(choked..tears of disbelief) Minister of the UK?
God help us. Corbyn. Marxist McDonnell. Dianne Abbott/
Somehow. They're about to run the Nation. All 'cos objections ets were raised to the result of a democratic Referendum. How the f*** did this happen?
I voted to stay in Europe. The majority voted to leave. I respect that vote.
I didn't vote in the EU Referendum for Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc to come to power?
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Post by venceremos on Jan 15, 2019 0:28:34 GMT 1
Not really.
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jan 15, 2019 0:32:02 GMT 1
I didn't vote for a change of Government. Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc
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Post by venceremos on Jan 15, 2019 1:04:17 GMT 1
I didn't vote for a change of Government. Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc We’re not getting one, unless the present minority government (for which I didn’t vote, but that’s democracy for you) collapses. That happens to minority governments sometimes. Blame the electorate for exercising its democratic right not to give anyone a majority in 2017. But don’t say that’s not democratic.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 15, 2019 1:09:40 GMT 1
I didn't vote for a change of Government. Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc Before that could happen you will get the chance to not vote for them. You will be ok anyway with a lot of your stuff done by the Welsh Asembley, free prescriptions, free Uni, etc. or will you be living closer to the meadow so you can get to see real football?
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Post by returnofthehype on Jan 15, 2019 1:26:14 GMT 1
Treacherous and a betrayal of the people if we are not out of Europe as planned!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 1:30:54 GMT 1
What's this EU nonsense. Last Xmas I gave Paul Hurst my heart and the very next May he gave it away.
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jan 15, 2019 1:36:30 GMT 1
Treacherous and a betrayal of the people if we are not out of Europe as planned!!! Only because of snakes from both sides 'across the Floor' in the Commons.. Hands up? Could you ever accept that buffoon Boris Johnson as PM? He was the flipin' one in charge of overseeing the electorate's wishes? What a snake? A Government ensued with carrying out the will of the people has been betrayed. Yes, May will lose. Step down. Perhaps a general Election called... Corbyn et al have a lot to desire. Absolutely anonymous in the lead u to the Referendum..... Now look at him! Ready to strike!!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 15, 2019 2:32:17 GMT 1
15/01/2019 The day democracy died in the UK We had all the preamble before the Brexit Referendum in 2016. The people voted, fairly and squarely... The populus demanded the Referendum. Online petitions, MP's raising the question etc. The Tories pledged the Referendum in their Manifesto. All routes were taken for the franchise... And now? Well well well? As the deadline for Brexit approaches..We've got chaos. We've got comrade Corbyn finding a screwdiver which could release a trapdoor that could find him Prime .. (lump in throat)...(choked..tears of disbelief) Minister of the UK? God help us. Corbyn. Marxist McDonnell. Dianne Abbott/ Somehow. They're about to run the Nation. All 'cos objections ets were raised to the result of a democratic Referendum. How the f*** did this happen? I voted to stay in Europe. The majority voted to leave. I respect that vote. I didn't vote in the EU Referendum for Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc to come to power? you know how erosion works one day there won't be an Ireland so it doesn't really matter about borders, and about the same time Shrewsbury will be a seaside resort wrexham will be a shipping forecast area I cant wait ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 7:13:50 GMT 1
I didn't vote for the DUP but it seems they are in power at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 7:27:32 GMT 1
I didn't vote for the DUP but it seems they are in power at the moment. And it cost us over £1bn at a time where hospitals, police etc are suffering cut backs. Given we have had 30months to get Brexit ready it does feel frustrating that we are running around like headless chickens at the 11th hour.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 15, 2019 7:57:09 GMT 1
Whatever people think they did or didn't vote for in the referendum I suspect a good few are now asking why they were asked to do so in the first place. As this "chaos" was all too predicable. I mean Parliament has never been able to decide upon the UK's membership of the EU has it, whether we should be in or out? Isn't that the very reason why Parliament made the decision (544 to 53) to turn that decision over the the people of the UK and hold a referendum in the first place? Now we just seem to be back to square one with those on both side of the fence, stay or leave, maneuvering to get what they wanted all along. Those who want to leave split as to on what terms. Those who wished to remain now seemingly ignoring the referendum result and continuing to work to remain. Why on earth did Parliament vote for the referendum to be held if many within it had no intention of implementing the result (even though it was made perfectly clear that is what was to happen). That is what will grate with many I am sure. Mad really. Parliament can't decide. They've never been able to. So they made the decision to put that to the UK public who in huge numbers, turned out and made that decision. Yet here we are again. I don't think any of us really know what is going to happen, when Brexit will happen if indeed it ever will. Should be a busy day today anyhow. Whether May will stand down, a vote of no confidence to come from Labour, whether that will lead to an election or a second referendum. We've had two years of all this and yet you just get the feeling things are just about to really heat up now...should be a mad week or two to come...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 15, 2019 8:09:48 GMT 1
15/01/2019 The day democracy died in the UK We had all the preamble before the Brexit Referendum in 2016. The people voted, fairly and squarely... The populus demanded the Referendum. Online petitions, MP's raising the question etc. The Tories pledged the Referendum in their Manifesto. All routes were taken for the franchise... And now? Well well well? As the deadline for Brexit approaches..We've got chaos. We've got comrade Corbyn finding a screwdiver which could release a trapdoor that could find him Prime .. (lump in throat)...(choked..tears of disbelief) Minister of the UK? God help us. Corbyn. Marxist McDonnell. Dianne Abbott/ Somehow. They're about to run the Nation. All 'cos objections ets were raised to the result of a democratic Referendum. How the f*** did this happen? I voted to stay in Europe. The majority voted to leave. I respect that vote. I didn't vote in the EU Referendum for Corbyn. Dianne Abbott etc to come to power? Bring it on.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 15, 2019 8:45:02 GMT 1
Big question is will brexit be sorted before Wrexham get back in the league. Seeing as brexit will take at least ten years to sort out I’m not holding my breath
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 15, 2019 8:46:43 GMT 1
whichever way people voted the incompetence showed by all parties ,the contempt the establishment has for the electorate is hardly a surprise. the EU merely repeated the approach they used when we voted to join which was to keep to a clear agenda until they got what they wanted anyone who thought things were going to be straight forward only needed to look at what happened when Ireland voted against the treaty of Lisbon.
Brexit has been deeply divisive and i suspect forces outside this country have been stirring the pot as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 8:59:04 GMT 1
It is a complete circus. Both sides showed contempt for the electorate in the referendum (abusing democracy if ever there was). I am rapidly coming around to believing that May's deal is probably the best for the country because during the negotiations over the god knows how many years it will prove how nonsensical the whole "save the Tory party" referendum was.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 15, 2019 9:21:06 GMT 1
whichever way people voted the incompetence showed by all parties ,the contempt the establishment has for the electorate is hardly a surprise. No, I guess it isn't. And whilst things look chaotic now who knows what may come about in the future looking to how this could play out. I think there is something to be said that the referendum has to kept a lid on, for want of a better word, 'populism' in the UK. I mean we haven't seen the changes that have come about say here in Germany, in Austria, in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. Maybe that is about to change depending on how this all ends. Because I do think a good many who did vote to leave will be feeling a tad disillusioned with those who currently make up Parliament considering it is they who asked them to make the decision and who are now potentially looking to ignore it. Could be the start of some big changes in the political landscape. Could be, mind. It's not nailed on I don't think. Maybe everyone will just get back to watching the footy, baking cakes, the gardening etc etc...
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 15, 2019 9:49:56 GMT 1
Whatever people think they did or didn't vote for in the referendum I suspect a good few are now asking why they were asked to do so in the first place.
Because stutty, our posh masters thought we were so stupid that we could be terrified into voting to stay.
Wrong! Power to the people.
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Post by neilsalop on Jan 15, 2019 10:03:39 GMT 1
Hopefully Mays deal will be voted down and there will be an extension of Article 50. I voted remain and would vote the same given the chance, however if some sort of Brexit isn't delivered there will be big trouble, as the rise of the far right (and their copycat hi-viz tabbard revolution) has already shown. Once it has been extended all the parties need to be involved in getting a deal that is best for Britain. It's time to put aside party politics and work together.
Labour has set out its main requirements and although they may be a million miles from those of the Tory right there is common ground with moderate Tories to work from. FFS do what is best for country for once.
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Post by tvor on Jan 15, 2019 10:05:25 GMT 1
Isn't there already a 30 page thread for this?
Can't they be merged?
FFS!
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 15, 2019 10:05:35 GMT 1
Whatever people think they did or didn't vote for in the referendum I suspect a good few are now asking why they were asked to do so in the first place.
Because stutty, our posh masters thought we were so stupid that we could be terrified into voting to stay.
Wrong! Power to the people.
Certainly this mess can be laid firmly at the door of the public school oiks who were trying to kid us they were running the country at the time.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 15, 2019 10:11:20 GMT 1
The whole process is a total farce and anyone who believes it will all have a happy ending is living in cloud cuckoo land. Both sides are just dishing out lies and distortions about what will happen. The truth is , no one knows how we will come out of it in the end. It beggars belief why David Cameron put such a huge decision the hands of the people without a proper evaluation in the first place , so that the electorate could vote from a proper informed position, instead of what was just an imagined vision of the future, that Boris and his cronies dreamt up.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 15, 2019 10:15:00 GMT 1
The whole process is a total farce and anyone who believes it will all have a happy ending is living in cloud cuckoo land. Both sides are just dishing out lies and distortions about what will happen. The truth is , no one knows how we will come out of it in the end. It beggars belief why David Cameron put such a huge decision the hands of the people without a proper evaluation in the first place , so that the electorate could vote from a proper informed position, instead of what was just an imagined vision of the future, that Boris and his cronies dreamt up. To answer your question about the disappeared Cameron - sheer arrogance.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 15, 2019 10:40:01 GMT 1
Well it is Panto season, seems to have been so for 2 1/2 years now.
I voted to leave and whether that was the ‘right vote’ or not those who were with me were in the majority. I haven’t bothered voting in the last couple of elections as quite frankly I wouldn’t even pee on any of them from any party if they were on fire so wasn’t going to waste 5 mins of my life to vote for them either. If they don’t deliver what was asked for by the electorate then I will be proved right and I’m sure that I won’t be the only one who can’t be arsed to vote at a general election again.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 15, 2019 11:11:23 GMT 1
The whole process is a total farce and anyone who believes it will all have a happy ending is living in cloud cuckoo land. Both sides are just dishing out lies and distortions about what will happen. The truth is , no one knows how we will come out of it in the end. It beggars belief why David Cameron put such a huge decision the hands of the people without a proper evaluation in the first place , so that the electorate could vote from a proper informed position, instead of what was just an imagined vision of the future, that Boris and his cronies dreamt up. To answer your question about the disappeared Cameron - sheer arrogance. Cameron set up the Referendum to head off the threat to Tory votes from UKIP. A political decision. Nothing more nor less.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 15, 2019 11:15:24 GMT 1
Treacherous and a betrayal of the people if we are not out of Europe as planned!!! "..... as planned".
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Post by Dancin on Jan 15, 2019 11:26:07 GMT 1
From the start of the process there should have been a cross party negotiating team.
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 15, 2019 11:34:55 GMT 1
I didn't vote for the DUP but it seems they are in power at the moment. And it cost us over £1bn at a time where hospitals, police etc are suffering cut backs. Given we have had 30months to get Brexit ready it does feel frustrating that we are running around like headless chickens at the 11th hour. So how come people seem to ignore the £19 Billion we pay into "the EU club" every year that helps pay the massive salaries for tens of thousands of EU members in Brussels? Time to spend that money on our own people. Before people jump on this I know we get some back but it is still a net outgoing of £250,000,000 every single week.
I agree it is a complete and utter shambles which has not been helped by a remainer leading the government and the SNP & comrade Corbyn's lot doing everything they can to scupper any kind of deal.
I voted leave and would be happy to do so with no deal despite all of the scremongering that GB would become a 3rd world economy and collapse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 11:38:12 GMT 1
And it cost us over £1bn at a time where hospitals, police etc are suffering cut backs. Given we have had 30months to get Brexit ready it does feel frustrating that we are running around like headless chickens at the 11th hour. So how come people seem to ignore the £19 Billion we pay into "the EU club" every year that helps pay the massive salaries for tens of thousands of EU members in Brussels? Time to spend that money on our own people. Before people jump on this I know we get some back but it is still a net outgoing of £250,000,000 every single week.
I agree it is a complete and utter shambles which has not been helped by a remainer leading the government and the SNP & comrade Corbyn's lot doing everything they can to scupper any kind of deal.
I voted leave and would be happy to do so with no deal despite all of the scremongering that GB would become a 3rd world economy and collapse.
What's the EU got to do with the govt paying £1bn to secure the support of a regional political party? The fact that a party which got less than 300k votes can have such a big say in the running of the country is terrible. People went nuts when they though Millibands Labour would do a similar deal with the SNP....not a big fan of that idea either but at least the SNP weren't in favour of creationism being taught in schools, bringing back the death penalty, banning abortions, being against LGTB right and thinking climate change is made up!!!!!
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 15, 2019 12:08:25 GMT 1
The same reason that this thread was about the referendum result and the fact that you hijacked it with the DUP comment.
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