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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 19:26:49 GMT 1
I'd like to see you try that argument with a bunch of republicans. He's Irish? So what. As for Kaepernick, it certainly didn't do him or his cause any good at all. If you are going to make some political gesture its better not to do so by a lack of respect to the country in which you live because, as with McClean, you tend to find people don't like that sort of thing. He had a platform, he could have used it well. Instead he made the decision to make a statement during the national anthem. That was only going to go one way. Not sure how else I can get this through to you but when you don't show respect and insult a country you going to get it thrown back at you and you really only have yourself to blame. In four words, you comprehensively miss the entire point. Congratulations, that took some doing. Jeez. And again, jeez. It seems you're an expert in how to protest sensibly and without causing offence to the nation state and its most loyal citizens. Does history teach us that mild, respectful disapproval is the best way to change the prevailing order? Let me think for a few hours ….. Yet again, jeez.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 19:28:30 GMT 1
They were embarrassing from sat in the South yesterday. The few times the pro-town support from the South went quiet, all you could hear was “Your support is ****ing s**t” “Is this your holiday” “Your sister is your mother” Not to mention the other cr@p mentioned in this thread All whilst looking and pointing in to the away end Sorry disagree with racist or offensive shouts...but grew up listening to the above chants on the Riverside and I'm neither a thug or racist to me that's just football banter ..... cue the PC police There's no such thing, except in the fevered imaginations of some misguided souls. It's called disagreement and it's allowed.
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Post by sy11shrew on Jan 8, 2019 19:32:25 GMT 1
Sorry disagree with racist or offensive shouts...but grew up listening to the above chants on the Riverside and I'm neither a thug or racist to me that's just football banter ..... cue the PC police There's no such thing, except in the fevered imaginations of some misguided souls. It's called disagreement and it's allowed. To me there is and that's the main reason boards like this are never taken seriously....there are a few main posters and when those who disagree publicly do so they are shot down or called names and the checkatrade is a prime example....some do not agree with the format and those of us who decide to support the games or follow the town at Wembley are mere scabs.....
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 19:46:20 GMT 1
He's Irish? So what. As for Kaepernick, it certainly didn't do him or his cause any good at all. If you are going to make some political gesture its better not to do so by a lack of respect to the country in which you live because, as with McClean, you tend to find people don't like that sort of thing. He had a platform, he could have used it well. Instead he made the decision to make a statement during the national anthem. That was only going to go one way. Not sure how else I can get this through to you but when you don't show respect and insult a country you going to get it thrown back at you and you really only have yourself to blame. In four words, you comprehensively miss the entire point. Congratulations, that took some doing. Jeez. And again, jeez. It seems you're an expert in how to protest sensibly and without causing offence to the nation state and its most loyal citizens. Does history teach us that mild, respectful disapproval is the best way to change the prevailing order? Let me think for a few hours ….. Yet again, jeez. Well go on then, I'm all ears. What's the point I've missed.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2019 20:05:00 GMT 1
They were embarrassing from sat in the South yesterday. The few times the pro-town support from the South went quiet, all you could hear was “Your support is ****ing s**t” “Is this your holiday” “Your sister is your mother” Not to mention the other cr@p mentioned in this thread All whilst looking and pointing in to the away end Sorry disagree with racist or offensive shouts...but grew up listening to the above chants on the Riverside and I'm neither a thug or racist to me that's just football banter .....cue the PC police with regards to banter, you're not even good at that either I mean "our support is ****ing s**t" "your mother is your sister" and a trip to sy2 is your holiday all whilst I'm pointing at you yes you ;-) any decent banter thrown back towards block 19 ends up with them needing straight jackets ;-) ps, you totally ignored the topic here about the singing of sectarian songs and tried to disguise by muttering gibberish about pathetic outdated songs full of swearing being a bit of banter oh how we laugh when you sing them old favourites
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 20:19:34 GMT 1
There's no such thing, except in the fevered imaginations of some misguided souls. It's called disagreement and it's allowed. To me there is and that's the main reason boards like this are never taken seriously....there are a few main posters and when those who disagree publicly do so they are shot down or called names and the checkatrade is a prime example....some do not agree with the format and those of us who decide to support the games or follow the town at Wembley are mere scabs..... Boards like this shouldn't be taken too seriously by anyone. Neither should any forum for opinions. The point is we can debate and maybe change our thinking as a result, or at least test what we think we believe and be a bit more rigorous in our thinking about that subject. Is that so bad? If you expect your opinions to go unchallenged, that suggests you either have little confidence in them or your ability to argue for them. You talk of a non-existent "PC police" but who's stopping you from saying what you think? Nobody, as you've just demonstrated. But you think others shouldn't express their opinions if they disagree?
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 8, 2019 20:24:08 GMT 1
They were embarrassing from sat in the South yesterday. The few times the pro-town support from the South went quiet, all you could hear was “Your support is ****ing s**t” “Is this your holiday” “Your sister is your mother” Not to mention the other cr@p mentioned in this thread All whilst looking and pointing in to the away end Sorry disagree with racist or offensive shouts...but grew up listening to the above chants on the Riverside and I'm neither a thug or racist to me that's just football banter .....cue the PC police Block 9 standing tried to support the team vocally throughout The few occasions they went quiet, you could hear block 19 having “banter” with the away fans. Every single time. Loads not even looking to the pitch, but in to the Stoke end. Embarrassing. Can’t put it any simpler
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 20:25:43 GMT 1
In four words, you comprehensively miss the entire point. Congratulations, that took some doing. Jeez. And again, jeez. It seems you're an expert in how to protest sensibly and without causing offence to the nation state and its most loyal citizens. Does history teach us that mild, respectful disapproval is the best way to change the prevailing order? Let me think for a few hours ….. Yet again, jeez. Well go on then, I'm all ears. What's the point I've missed. He's Irish - and a republican with it (which, for the uninitiated - not you - doesn't equate to being an active supporter of the IRA). You might be aware there's been some history there, and not just in the distant past. But that's enough for me, life's too short for this one. We might both end up displaying mild disapproval and then who knows what could happen?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 20:29:14 GMT 1
Well go on then, I'm all ears. What's the point I've missed. He's Irish - and a republican with it (which, for the uninitiated - not you - doesn't equate to being an active supporter of the IRA). You might be aware there's been some history there, and not just in the distant past. But that's enough for me, life's too short for this one. We might both end up displaying mild disapproval and then who knows what could happen? So I didn't miss anything. I think we just disagree. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 21:02:39 GMT 1
It seems to me that freedom of expression and free speech only apply to some people if they agree with what's at issue.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2019 21:11:07 GMT 1
the lyrics for the song are as follows
When I was young I had no sense I bought a flute for 50 pence The only song that I could play Was **** the Pope and the IRA.
maybe if they just change the last line to
was we've got Okenabirhie
it would be such a fitting song in more ways that one ;-)
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 22:13:38 GMT 1
Well I guess if you are willing to offend you have to be prepared to be offended. Thankfully not something we see every week.
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Post by R6ix on Jan 8, 2019 23:15:12 GMT 1
i remember no surrender to the Ira and your going home in a shropshire ambulance, their aint no black in the union jack ect ect, at least back in my day the ira were actually active , so no idea what its about now?
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 8, 2019 23:47:10 GMT 1
the lyrics for the song are as follows When I was young I had no sense I bought a flute for 50 pence The only song that I could play Was **** the Pope and the IRA. maybe if they just change the last line to was we've got Okenabirhie it would be such a fitting song in more ways that one ;-) I laughed out loud at your post but it wouldn't fit as the song structure is based on rhyming couplets. May I suggest a Limerick instead.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 9, 2019 0:20:07 GMT 1
the lyrics for the song are as follows When I was young I had no sense I bought a flute for 50 pence The only song that I could play Was **** the Pope and the IRA. maybe if they just change the last line to was we've got Okenabirhie it would be such a fitting song in more ways that one ;-) I laughed out loud at your post but it wouldn't fit as the song structure is based on rhyming couplets. May I suggest a Limerick instead. the was a man from Derry came to play at Shrewsbury we sung a song that was so wrong cos we didn't have Okenabirhie
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 9, 2019 2:24:14 GMT 1
Blimey! the level of ignorance demonstrated by some in this thread is nothing short of staggering. I'm not going to waste my time entering into slanging matches with people who are clearly so badly informed, or maybe just plain blinkered and prejudiced. I can only suggest, and recommend, that they go away an educate themselves on British/Irish history, not over a mere 40 of 50 years but over the last 700 or 800 years in order to understand the deep and complex reasons behind why things are now as they are and how continual British interference and British policy brought this about. So, let's hate anyone from Scandinavia, after all those pesky Vikings murdered, raped and pilaged across Britain for hundreds of years. Let's all hate the Italians because them Roman's were pretty rough on the Brits, Willam the Conquerer and those that followed ripped our country apart for over 200 years... Fast forward several hundred years and hate the Germans. Where does it end?
At the end of the day it's up to the individual if they don't want to respect a national anthem (a certain politician is a prime example) but surely we (British) shouldn't be tarnished because of things that happened over the last 700 or 800 years.
And despite you suggesting you won't enter into a slanging match, however, by classing people as ignorant, uneducated and blinkered you just have.
I had better go and do my 11+ again I suppose
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Post by Dale on Jan 9, 2019 7:13:40 GMT 1
i remember no surrender to the Ira and your going home in a shropshire ambulance, their aint no black in the union jack ect ect, at least back in my day the ira were actually active , so no idea what its about now? Many Riversiders had had enough of listening to ‘no surrender’ in the end so would ‘boo over it’ to drown them out.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2020 0:13:46 GMT 1
our stewards allow mob rule the bullying of a player and singing of sectarian songs = not even a finger lifted do something wrong alone like run on the pitch, and every steward in the ground instantly comes running for you sort it out town Disagree, it's just a song. If you're going to ban it then you'll have to ban every song as people will find offence with anything. On McClean, he is a horrible barsteward and brings on a lot of the abuse he receives himself. www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/01/01/news/james-mcclean-targeted-by-offensive-chanting-1803826/
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 2, 2020 0:18:51 GMT 1
Oh the poor lad......
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 2, 2020 10:14:49 GMT 1
If he has no respect for Britain he should earn his wages and live his life elsewhere, it's not difficult.
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Post by barrynic on Jan 2, 2020 12:11:14 GMT 1
Should we not respect his beliefs and concentrate our chanting towards our team?
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Post by venceremos on Jan 2, 2020 12:23:03 GMT 1
If he has no respect for Britain he should earn his wages and live his life elsewhere, it's not difficult. Fortunately, respecting a country isn’t a requirement for living or working there. It’s an essential part of the right to freedom of thought and speech. Paradoxically, that’s one of the things for which I do respect this country, though I’m struggling to muster respect for it in lots of other aspects of late.
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