crayfish
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Post by crayfish on Jan 6, 2019 23:40:29 GMT 1
Surprised how poor Stoke were given the players in their squad. I thought their front two of Berahino and Afobe were paticularly poor god knows how much they paid for those two. Thought Ince was their best player by some margin.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 6, 2019 23:52:08 GMT 1
Pilch is first in line to bash block 19.
Shock.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 0:04:58 GMT 1
Pilch is first in line to bash block 19. Shock. feel free to shoot the messenger I just pointed out what most wanted to that block 19 were a total embarrassment to our club
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jan 7, 2019 0:10:12 GMT 1
I don’t see why a person should be obliged to be any more respectful towards the institutions of the country in which they choose to live than a native born individual. Does democracy only apply fully to natives? It would be hypocritical to pretend to respect something you didn’t. Give me a citizen’s honest opposition every time, rather than a pretend “respect”.
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
I fear you’ve missed venceremos’ point and responded with some Paul Dacre style rhetoric.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 7:27:06 GMT 1
I don’t see why a person should be obliged to be any more respectful towards the institutions of the country in which they choose to live than a native born individual. Does democracy only apply fully to natives? It would be hypocritical to pretend to respect something you didn’t. Give me a citizen’s honest opposition every time, rather than a pretend “respect”.
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
As clearly a very proud british citizen JT, you don't find that attitude more than a little ironic?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 7, 2019 7:58:39 GMT 1
Yeah, I agree. Turning his back on the flag and national anthem of the place he has decided to make home and earn a living isn't going to go down well with a good few that's for sure. It just stinks of hypocrisy. It's hardly surprising he gets abuse because of it. He didn't help himself. I don’t see why a person should be obliged to be any more respectful towards the institutions of the country in which they choose to live than a native born individual. Does democracy only apply fully to natives? It would be hypocritical to pretend to respect something you didn’t. Give me a citizen’s honest opposition every time, rather than a pretend “respect”. Well there's a surprise. Anyhow, no one is saying that are they? I suspect that if an English player (or native as you put it) were to do the same they would encounter the same grief. You just need to stand there and see it through. Its called "not being a t**t", its just common courtesy to the country and people that have provided you with a home and employment. Yet he made the decision and effort to turn his back. If I felt the same way about some place I wouldn't make the effort to go live and work there. If I did the same here in Germany then it wouldn't come as any surprise if people would be questioning what the hell I was doing there in the first place then. I really have no issue with the abuse he gets (I'm sure its water off a ducks back for him anyhow), I think he brought it upon himself.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 7, 2019 8:56:08 GMT 1
Pilch is first in line to bash block 19. Shock. feel free to shoot the messenger I just pointed out what most wanted to that block 19 were a total embarrassment to our club I doubt they watched a collective 90 mins of the match between them all. Looked like they were staring in to the north stand all game
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 7, 2019 9:14:00 GMT 1
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
As clearly a very proud british citizen JT, you don't find that attitude more than a little ironic?
Not really. I can't understand why anyone would go to a country they dislike. As I've got older, I don't do so much long distance travel now, where most, but not all, were Christian. Most of the countries we visit now are predominately muslim. I wouldn't dream of showing them a lack of respect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 10:12:52 GMT 1
As clearly a very proud british citizen JT, you don't find that attitude more than a little ironic?
Not really. I can't understand why anyone would go to a country they dislike. As I've got older, I don't do so much long distance travel now, where most, but not all, were Christian. Most of the countries we visit now are predominately muslim. I wouldn't dream of showing them a lack of respect.
So half the world hasn’t been assimilated over the past 200 years into the british vision of civilisation and democracy? Ironically at bullet point in many cases?!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 7, 2019 10:33:32 GMT 1
Not really. I can't understand why anyone would go to a country they dislike. As I've got older, I don't do so much long distance travel now, where most, but not all, were Christian. Most of the countries we visit now are predominately muslim. I wouldn't dream of showing them a lack of respect.
So half the world hasn’t been assimilated over the past 200 years into the british vision of civilisation and democracy? Ironically at bullet point in many cases?!
A few years ago, I was friendly with some Scots folks. (We named our son, Danny, after Juan of them). I used to call them "the colonials", but only when the way to the door was clear!
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2019 13:15:55 GMT 1
I don’t see why a person should be obliged to be any more respectful towards the institutions of the country in which they choose to live than a native born individual. Does democracy only apply fully to natives? It would be hypocritical to pretend to respect something you didn’t. Give me a citizen’s honest opposition every time, rather than a pretend “respect”.
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
Are you being serious? You equate an Irish national consistently supporting Irish republicanism whilst living in Britain with asking for chips in India? If you had your way I think I might want to emigrate. First of all, nobody "wanders into" a country. You make a conscious decision for whatever reason - economic, family, whatever. Secondly, where did I say it's fine to be disrespectful to the people of that country and their values? I referred to the institutions of a country. I seem to remember you being disrespectful to our Parliament often enough, so presumably you agree with me that it's fine to show disrespect towards our institutions. That being so, I don't see why you take issue with what I said, unless you're arguing that only those born here should be able to do that. The values of this country embrace democracy and free speech (at least as far as I'm concerned), which means to me that people are free to express themselves. It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2019 13:23:12 GMT 1
I don’t see why a person should be obliged to be any more respectful towards the institutions of the country in which they choose to live than a native born individual. Does democracy only apply fully to natives? It would be hypocritical to pretend to respect something you didn’t. Give me a citizen’s honest opposition every time, rather than a pretend “respect”. Well there's a surprise. Anyhow, no one is saying that are they? I suspect that if an English player (or native as you put it) were to do the same they would encounter the same grief. You just need to stand there and see it through. Its called "not being a t**t", its just common courtesy to the country and people that have provided you with a home and employment. Yet he made the decision and effort to turn his back. If I felt the same way about some place I wouldn't make the effort to go live and work there. If I did the same here in Germany then it wouldn't come as any surprise if people would be questioning what the hell I was doing there in the first place then. I really have no issue with the abuse he gets (I'm sure its water off a ducks back for him anyhow), I think he brought it upon himself. Quelle surprise indeed, you're from the John Redwood mumble-as-though-you-know-the-words-of-the-Welsh-national-anthem school of "respect". Your argument is tosh. Whether you agree with McClean's views or not, he's entitled to them and, I suspect, he's a bit closer to the underlying issue than you or me, which renders your comparison with your position in Germany ridiculous. You'd rather he kept his views to himself and are quite happy that he's abused for expressing them. Very democratic of you to support mob rule and hypocrisy.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 13:44:15 GMT 1
our stewards allow mob rule
the bullying of a player and singing of sectarian songs = not even a finger lifted
do something wrong alone like run on the pitch, and every steward in the ground instantly comes running for you
sort it out town
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 7, 2019 13:48:27 GMT 1
our stewards allow mob rule the bullying of a player and singing of sectarian songs = not even a finger lifted do something wrong alone like run on the pitch, and every steward in the ground instantly comes running for you sort it out town Disagree, it's just a song. If you're going to ban it then you'll have to ban every song as people will find offence with anything. On McClean, he is a horrible barsteward and brings on a lot of the abuse he receives himself.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 7, 2019 13:54:03 GMT 1
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
Are you being serious? You equate an Irish national consistently supporting Irish republicanism whilst living in Britain with asking for chips in India? If you had your way I think I might want to emigrate. First of all, nobody "wanders into" a country. You make a conscious decision for whatever reason - economic, family, whatever. Secondly, where did I say it's fine to be disrespectful to the people of that country and their values? I referred to the institutions of a country. I seem to remember you being disrespectful to our Parliament often enough, so presumably you agree with me that it's fine to show disrespect towards our institutions. That being so, I don't see why you take issue with what I said, unless you're arguing that only those born here should be able to do that. The values of this country embrace democracy and free speech (at least as far as I'm concerned), which means to me that people are free to express themselves. It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive. It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive .
Whilst I appreciate you may not be offended, there are tens of thousands of families whose loved ones died fighting for their country, who will be offended by this individuals public actions. Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98534/uneducated-cavemen?page=2#ixzz5bvQnJNXA
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 7, 2019 13:55:26 GMT 1
Are you being serious? You wander into someone's country and don't respect the people and their values? What an arrogant attitude. You must be the type that demands pork in a Muslim country and chips in a restaurant in India.
If I had my way I'd have your passport confiscated, you clearly don't know how to behave when representing your country abroad.
Are you being serious? You equate an Irish national consistently supporting Irish republicanism whilst living in Britain with asking for chips in India? If you had your way I think I might want to emigrate.
If you do, can I give you a tip? Don't turn your back on the national anthem.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2019 14:01:35 GMT 1
Are you being serious? You equate an Irish national consistently supporting Irish republicanism whilst living in Britain with asking for chips in India? If you had your way I think I might want to emigrate.
If you do, can I give you a tip? Don't turn your back on the national anthem.
Haha, good tip. For all its faults, there aren't too many countries as decent and liberal as this one.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2019 14:04:34 GMT 1
Are you being serious? You equate an Irish national consistently supporting Irish republicanism whilst living in Britain with asking for chips in India? If you had your way I think I might want to emigrate. First of all, nobody "wanders into" a country. You make a conscious decision for whatever reason - economic, family, whatever. Secondly, where did I say it's fine to be disrespectful to the people of that country and their values? I referred to the institutions of a country. I seem to remember you being disrespectful to our Parliament often enough, so presumably you agree with me that it's fine to show disrespect towards our institutions. That being so, I don't see why you take issue with what I said, unless you're arguing that only those born here should be able to do that. The values of this country embrace democracy and free speech (at least as far as I'm concerned), which means to me that people are free to express themselves. It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive. It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive .
Whilst I appreciate you may not be offended, there are tens of thousands of families whose loved ones died fighting for their country, who will be offended by this individuals public actions. Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98534/uneducated-cavemen?page=2#ixzz5bvQnJNXAAnd Irish republicans died fighting for what they regard as their country. Whether or not you like what he does, he's not being gratuitously offensive.
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 7, 2019 14:12:16 GMT 1
our stewards allow mob rule the bullying of a player and singing of sectarian songs = not even a finger lifted do something wrong alone like run on the pitch, and every steward in the ground instantly comes running for you sort it out town Nonsense, again. 'The bullying of a player'? What's this, the school playground? He's a professional footballer, paid an obscene amount of money and no doubt gets abuse every week. And for the record, I was in the South Stand and heard '**** off back to Derry', 'fenian *******', amongst other things. It wasn't just block 19. And does vocally showing your hatred towards a terrorist organisation such as the IRA make you part of a sect?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 7, 2019 14:30:23 GMT 1
Well there's a surprise. Anyhow, no one is saying that are they? I suspect that if an English player (or native as you put it) were to do the same they would encounter the same grief. You just need to stand there and see it through. Its called "not being a t**t", its just common courtesy to the country and people that have provided you with a home and employment. Yet he made the decision and effort to turn his back. If I felt the same way about some place I wouldn't make the effort to go live and work there. If I did the same here in Germany then it wouldn't come as any surprise if people would be questioning what the hell I was doing there in the first place then. I really have no issue with the abuse he gets (I'm sure its water off a ducks back for him anyhow), I think he brought it upon himself. Quelle surprise indeed, you're from the John Redwood mumble-as-though-you-know-the-words-of-the-Welsh-national-anthem school of "respect". Your argument is tosh. Whether you agree with McClean's views or not, he's entitled to them and, I suspect, he's a bit closer to the underlying issue than you or me, which renders your comparison with your position in Germany ridiculous. You'd rather he kept his views to himself and are quite happy that he's abused for expressing them. Very democratic of you to support mob rule and hypocrisy. What are you gibbering on about? No one is asking for anyone to sing or mumble anything. What a load of nonsense. Of course he's entitled to do as he pleases, as is anyone who thinks he's a hypocrite and shows him the respect what they deem he deserves looking to that which he gives to the country where he now lives and works. He could have simply stood there, instead he made the effort to turn his back on the flag and the anthem. If anyone came over here to Germany and did the same whilst referencing something from Germany's past then I'd think them a prat and question why they bothered to move there in the first place (if they clearly have issues with the place). It just stinks of hypocrisy. Who's happy now? Deary me. I just said I have no issue with people abusing him and wouldn't question why they would do so. He brought that on himself when he turned his back on the flag and anthem of the place he now calls home and earns his living. Not that I would engage in such things myself but that sort of things does tends to irk a good few...unsurprisingly. This is how I see it, I think this chap has it absolutely spot on (and as a journalist can certainly put the point across better than I)... James McClean's snub to England's flag was disgraceful
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Post by MartinB on Jan 7, 2019 14:43:39 GMT 1
His name was booed when it was read out by a few people in 17 near the middle or front. I bet they have been waiting years to do that. He was booed from the South Stand and obviously from 19, along with the songs. He's a house player, but when you realise where he was brought up, I'm not surprised he refuses to wear a poppy. I was booing him second half and he deserved every bit. Booing him for being a diving barsteward, which I totally fair.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 15:30:47 GMT 1
our stewards allow mob rule the bullying of a player and singing of sectarian songs = not even a finger lifted do something wrong alone like run on the pitch, and every steward in the ground instantly comes running for you sort it out town Nonsense, again. 'The bullying of a player'? What's this, the school playground? He's a professional footballer, paid an obscene amount of money and no doubt gets abuse every week. And for the record, I was in the South Stand and heard '**** off back to Derry', 'fenian *******', amongst other things. It wasn't just block 19. And does vocally showing your hatred towards a terrorist organisation such as the IRA make you part of a sect? was it any different to those Chelsea fans having a go at sterling ? no apart from the fact they got singled out and made the mistake of not doing it as part of a larger ground further back
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 7, 2019 15:36:38 GMT 1
Nonsense, again. 'The bullying of a player'? What's this, the school playground? He's a professional footballer, paid an obscene amount of money and no doubt gets abuse every week. And for the record, I was in the South Stand and heard '**** off back to Derry', 'fenian *******', amongst other things. It wasn't just block 19. And does vocally showing your hatred towards a terrorist organisation such as the IRA make you part of a sect? was it any different to those Chelsea fans having a go at sterling ? no apart from the fact they got singled out and made the mistake of not doing it as part of a larger ground further back If we banned every fan that has said has given a player grief we could close 3 stands. It's football, ****ing snowflake.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 16:03:15 GMT 1
was it any different to those Chelsea fans having a go at sterling ? no apart from the fact they got singled out and made the mistake of not doing it as part of a larger ground further back If we banned every fan that has said has given a player grief we could close 3 stands. It's football, ****ing snowflake. so the spokesman for block 19 can only dish out abuse and attempt to tar every town fan with the same brush as block 19 and forgets to mention anything about the singing of sectarian songs nothing new there then
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 7, 2019 16:16:29 GMT 1
If we banned every fan that has said has given a player grief we could close 3 stands. It's football, ****ing snowflake. so the spokesman for block 19 can only dish out abuse and attempt to tar every town fan with the same brush as block 19 and forgets to mention anything about the singing of sectarian songs nothing new there then So the serial block 19 basher completely ignores my point and only notices I called him a snowflake. Someone else has also said he got grief from the southstand. I'm sure it was more than block 19 in the west stand. But once again you try to put down block 19 fans. Who the **** made you the crowd judge? You're opinion is so insignificant I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 16:32:45 GMT 1
so the spokesman for block 19 can only dish out abuse and attempt to tar every town fan with the same brush as block 19 and forgets to mention anything about the singing of sectarian songs nothing new there then So the serial block 19 basher completely ignores my point and only notices I called him a snowflake. Someone else has also said he got grief from the southstand. I'm sure it was more than block 19 in the west stand. But once again you try to put down block 19 fans. Who the **** made you the crowd judge? You're opinion is so insignificant I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you. you're not discussing it though are you ? you've bit your tongue for over 24 hours for the opportunity to have a snipe at someone daring to speak out, you have no argument or reason for singing sectarian songs you are having a go at me for questioning so called fellow town fans for singing about the IRA and the pope ? id rather be a snowflake than like you if this was 1979 we'd be having the same argument, only id be having a go at you for racist abuse and you'd be explaining you're no different to others doing it
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 7, 2019 17:43:29 GMT 1
So the serial block 19 basher completely ignores my point and only notices I called him a snowflake. Someone else has also said he got grief from the southstand. I'm sure it was more than block 19 in the west stand. But once again you try to put down block 19 fans. Who the **** made you the crowd judge? You're opinion is so insignificant I don't even know why I'm discussing this with you. you're not discussing it though are you ? you've bit your tongue for over 24 hours for the opportunity to have a snipe at someone daring to speak out, you have no argument or reason for singing sectarian songs you are having a go at me for questioning so called fellow town fans for singing about the IRA and the pope ? id rather be a snowflake than like you if this was 1979 we'd be having the same argument, only id be having a go at you for racist abuse and you'd be explaining you're no different to others doing it I'm not discussing it because it doesn't interest me. FYI I never joined in with this chant. What I am discussing is your pethetic obsession with the singers. Every time someone posts something positive about our vocal support you're nowhere to be seen. As soon as you think you can have a dig you're there like a fly to s**t. It's quite sad tbf.
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Post by stfc1969 on Jan 7, 2019 18:19:35 GMT 1
you're not discussing it though are you ? you've bit your tongue for over 24 hours for the opportunity to have a snipe at someone daring to speak out, you have no argument or reason for singing sectarian songs you are having a go at me for questioning so called fellow town fans for singing about the IRA and the pope ? id rather be a snowflake than like you if this was 1979 we'd be having the same argument, only id be having a go at you for racist abuse and you'd be explaining you're no different to others doing it I'm not discussing it because it doesn't interest me. FYI I never joined in with this chant. What I am discussing is your pethetic obsession with the singers. Every time someone posts something positive about our vocal support you're nowhere to be seen. As soon as you think you can have a dig you're there like a fly to s**t. It's quite sad tbf. Do you think the IRA chants were acceptable?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2019 18:32:40 GMT 1
you're not discussing it though are you ? you've bit your tongue for over 24 hours for the opportunity to have a snipe at someone daring to speak out, you have no argument or reason for singing sectarian songs you are having a go at me for questioning so called fellow town fans for singing about the IRA and the pope ? id rather be a snowflake than like you if this was 1979 we'd be having the same argument, only id be having a go at you for racist abuse and you'd be explaining you're no different to others doing it I'm not discussing it because it doesn't interest me. FYI I never joined in with this chant. What I am discussing is your pethetic obsession with the singers. Every time someone posts something positive about our vocal support you're nowhere to be seen. As soon as you think you can have a dig you're there like a fly to s**t. It's quite sad tbf. so if im the fly what is the s**t ? i'm a fussy kind of fly, theres some s**t I wouldn't want to feed off ;-)
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jan 7, 2019 18:33:38 GMT 1
It's common courtesy not to offend gratuitously but I don't consider an Irish republican supporting Irish republicanism and not wearing a poppy to be gratuitously offensive .
Whilst I appreciate you may not be offended, there are tens of thousands of families whose loved ones died fighting for their country, who will be offended by this individuals public actions. Read more: blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98534/uneducated-cavemen?page=2#ixzz5bvQnJNXA And Irish republicans died fighting for what they regard as their country. Whether or not you like what he does, he's not being gratuitously offensive. ....from what I recall of WW1 history, didn't Irish Republicans ( ie members of the fledgling IRA)agree to fight for the British in return for independence after the war was over? Wasn't the fact that we went back on that agreement the prime reason for the Irish rebellions? Therefore McCLean is showing no respect to his fellow Republicans who fought and died for Britain in WW1
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