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Post by shrewsace on Jun 21, 2019 20:43:02 GMT 1
I see the a local anti-democratic group are out protesting in Shrewsbury over the weekend. Inspired by the "non-violent" Extinction Rebellion. Pathetic, hopefully they're met with resistance from pro-Brexit (democratic) individuals from the county. The far left have had it easy for too long. The far left is anti-EU, albeit for very different reasons to the ERG and their ilk. Not sure which group is protesting, but where's the evidence Extinction Rebellion is anything other than non-violent? . I'm not a fan of the milkshake thing, but please... What kind of 'resistance' are you hoping they are met with? Sounds like code for intimidation at best, violence at worst. Not sure why trying to stop the planet burning is 'far left', unless you're using that phrase to mean any movement that doesn't worship the pursuit of profit above all else. And what precisely have they been 'getting away with'? Answers on a post card...
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 21, 2019 22:33:11 GMT 1
I see the a local anti-democratic group are out protesting in Shrewsbury over the weekend. Inspired by the "non-violent" Extinction Rebellion. Pathetic, hopefully they're met with resistance from pro-Brexit (democratic) individuals from the county. The far left have had it easy for too long. The far left is anti-EU, albeit for very different reasons to the ERG and their ilk. Not sure which group is protesting, but where's the evidence Extinction Rebellion is anything other than non-violent? . I'm not a fan of the milkshake thing, but please... What kind of 'resistance' are you hoping they are met with? Sounds like code for intimidation at best, violence at worst. Not sure why trying to stop the planet burning is 'far left', unless you're using that phrase to mean any movement that doesn't worship the pursuit of profit above all else. And what precisely have they been 'getting away with'? Answers on a post card... Totally agree. Jesus what an embarrassing post from Martin. He's almost threatening anyone who disagrees with his point of view will get assaulted!
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 22, 2019 22:04:33 GMT 1
I see the a local anti-democratic group are out protesting in Shrewsbury over the weekend. Inspired by the "non-violent" Extinction Rebellion. Pathetic, hopefully they're met with resistance from pro-Brexit (democratic) individuals from the county. The far left have had it easy for too long. They love a protest about anything. Sad ****ers need to get a life Not as sad as the 50 or so ****ers who paid Farage £50 for the priviledge of not marching with him
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Post by tvor on Jun 24, 2019 13:39:48 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881Labour is planning to table an immediate vote of no confidence in the PM once the Tory leadership election is complete. It appears it could be successful if the new PM tries to leave the EU without an agreement in place.
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Post by simianbenzoate on Jun 24, 2019 20:26:46 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881Labour is planning to table an immediate vote of no confidence in the PM once the Tory leadership election is complete. It appears it could be successful if the new PM tries to leave the EU with an agreement in place. It might well be but it will immediately open the door to Brexit Party MPs and possible a tory/Brexit coalition government, god forbid - though who would be the majority party is anything but clear. Labour need to get off the fence or it'll be suicide
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 20:39:01 GMT 1
I see the a local anti-democratic group are out protesting in Shrewsbury over the weekend. Inspired by the "non-violent" Extinction Rebellion. Pathetic, hopefully they're met with resistance from pro-Brexit (democratic) individuals from the county. The far left have had it easy for too long. The far left is anti-EU, albeit for very different reasons to the ERG and their ilk. Not sure which group is protesting, but where's the evidence Extinction Rebellion is anything other than non-violent? . I'm not a fan of the milkshake thing, but please... What kind of 'resistance' are you hoping they are met with? Sounds like code for intimidation at best, violence at worst. Not sure why trying to stop the planet burning is 'far left', unless you're using that phrase to mean any movement that doesn't worship the pursuit of profit above all else. And what precisely have they been 'getting away with'? Answers on a post card... Too Martin anything left of Ken Clarke is a hard left Che guevera ready to blow up parliament sooner than you can say 'workers of the world'
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 25, 2019 15:33:30 GMT 1
Speaking of the left and Brexit; Paul Embery on Lexit and Why the Left Has Abandoned the Working Class... Well worth a listen...mainly of course because so much of what Embery says is very much my own opinion. Resonates a fair bit...
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Post by percy on Jun 25, 2019 16:39:29 GMT 1
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Post by shrewinspain on Jun 25, 2019 17:00:51 GMT 1
We are a laughing stock in Europe - for so long we have been telling (and showing) Johnny Foreigner how to do things in a non-corrupt, sensible and calm way they are loving this meltdown into farce. Don’t underestimate the petulance of the Europeans and their desire to see us fall flat on our face.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 25, 2019 19:49:54 GMT 1
We are a laughing stock in Europe - for so long we have been telling (and showing) Johnny Foreigner how to do things in a non-corrupt, sensible and calm way they are loving this meltdown into farce. Don’t underestimate the petulance of the Europeans and their desire to see us fall flat on our face. That doesn't sound too good if we send them Boris to negotiate with. Rees Mogg says not leaving Europe by Oct 31st would decimate the Conservative party. But half the voters don't want to leave, so leaving could well spell defeat in the next General Election. Heads you lose, Tails you lose.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 25, 2019 19:53:09 GMT 1
Worse than no deal, is the fact that 3 years on we have no plans for coping with it.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 26, 2019 7:09:26 GMT 1
Worse than no deal, is the fact that 3 years on we have no plans for coping with it. Three years on and we have no cohesive plan for:
No deal. The Irish border. Trade. Services. Travel and transport. Customs. Rights. Phone bills.
Healthcare. Immigration.
These are only a few off the top of my head. Some may be in planning stages or even near to agreement, but if the people that we pay to be our representatives don't appear to be able to negotiate these things in 3 years, how the hell are we suppused to trust them to get dozens of new trade deals on the day we eventually do leave?
The leave side promised us an easy transition from vassal state to world leader, complete with unicorns and £350m for the NHS every week. What we currently have is nothing less than purgatory and I don't think that anyone knows a way out that won't hurt the very people that voted for it. Not that they matter to the like of Rees Mogg, Johnson, Farage, Banks, Murdoch, the Barclay brothers or any of the other millionaires that actually sold us this wreck. Unfortunately if or when this all goes to s**t those people that voted leave and end up worse off will look for scapegoats and it is the likes of those named above that will be nominating these scapegoats, it might be asylum seekers, Poles, the unemployed, who knows? You can bet your house that they will delfect and protect themselves and their friends and not one person on this board will make it into that little clique.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 26, 2019 10:23:31 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 26, 2019 10:33:36 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire. Are you "one of the millionaires that actually sold us this wreck"? Or did you just buy it?
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 26, 2019 11:25:24 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire. I accept the result, I'm not happy, but I accept it. What I refuse to accept is the way that this whole thing is being twisted into a no-deal fiasco. Most reasonable people do not want that, they want a compromise. Google it, you might learn something.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 26, 2019 16:37:29 GMT 1
Why do we have to leave the EU by this specific manufactured October 31st date, I don't remember that being mentioned in the referendum or the subsequent election? It's like going to a man on a bridge threatening to jump and saying, "Well you are up here now, you better jump by 5 because I finish work at 6".
Why is a known liar, deceiver and self centered egotist the favourite to get the Prime Minister of Great Britain role based on the say so of a handful of party members? This, the man who stood in front of that bus and deceived, the man who even gets bad reviews from right wing newspapers.
May's deal is dead, No deal is a passport to nowhere, yet some talk of getting some sort of leaving done without parliament or voter approval? No sign of democracy in that!
The Conservative party (and we possibly do need them to provide an opposition) on a death wish. Some Conservatives do actually want to stay in the EU, but they are just ignored and marginalised. Why are their own members determined to push the Conservative party until it crashes and burns?
The Country is in a mess and the blame for that lies with the Conservative party.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 26, 2019 19:48:59 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire. I accept the result, I'm not happy, but I accept it. What I refuse to accept is the way that this whole thing is being twisted into a no-deal fiasco. Most reasonable people do not want that, they want a compromise. Google it, you might learn something. There's no compromise between out and in though. It's one or the other.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 26, 2019 20:47:05 GMT 1
I accept the result, I'm not happy, but I accept it. What I refuse to accept is the way that this whole thing is being twisted into a no-deal fiasco. Most reasonable people do not want that, they want a compromise. Google it, you might learn something. There's no compromise between out and in though. It's one or the other. I fear that you're right and we'll end up leaving with no-deal. Is that really what 17.4 million people voted for? Every single one of them? Really?
Is that what was promised by every leave campaigner during the run up to the referendum? If it is I must have missed it.
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Post by markglasgow on Jun 26, 2019 21:29:19 GMT 1
We are a laughing stock in Europe - for so long we have been telling (and showing) Johnny Foreigner how to do things in a non-corrupt, sensible and calm way they are loving this meltdown into farce. Don’t underestimate the petulance of the Europeans and their desire to see us fall flat on our face. This is may well give me a clue how we've managed to get to page 91 on this topic.... An incredibly myopic view of the impact Brexit has on the 28 member states. The idea that 'Johnny Foreigner' is concerned purely with using Brexit to hurt or humiliate the UK is pretty remarkable. Especially given that we are doing a pretty spectacular job of that without anyone's help thank you very much. The remaining 27 EU states will strive for the best deal possible for their countries and people. It was always going to be difficult for any country who decided to leave. I suppose the idea of the UK being a victim is very appealing for many given the mess we have created for ourselves, however this isn't a personal vendetta. It's one nation vs 27 others. 67 million people vs 700 million. The odds were stacked against us from the start. The deal has been done. EU have the agreement they want and the fantasy that Boorish Boris can do anything other but make the leaving process more fractious is just that. Cloud Cuckoo land.
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Post by simianbenzoate on Jun 27, 2019 10:33:48 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. please explain the mechanism by which that has happened
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Post by venceremos on Jun 27, 2019 11:53:15 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. please explain the mechanism by which that has happened Excellent, I'm looking forward to salop27's explanation of this …...
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Post by venceremos on Jun 27, 2019 12:00:23 GMT 1
Interesting comments from Japan's foreign minister today:
"Mr Kono said Japan did not want to disrupt economic relations with the UK. "So we've been asking the UK government, let the Japanese companies know what they can expect, and things should happen smoothly without any disruption". He gave the example of carmakers, worried about the free flow of parts to the UK from the EU if there was a no-deal Brexit. "Right now they have very smooth operations. Their stock for each part is only for a few hours. But if there is no-deal Brexit, and if they have to go through actual custom inspection physically, those operations may not be able to continue. "And many companies are worried about [the] implications because they don't know what's going to happen," he said, so they have started to move their operations to other places in Europe."
Japan doesn't go in for shows of belligerence, it just very politely does something else. The threat to existing (1,000+ Japanese companies) and future Japanese investment in the UK should be clear enough for everyone in the UK to understand, even if rationality has long since left the debate.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 27, 2019 12:26:37 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. please explain the mechanism by which that has happened Politicians who have decided to ignore the result, despite saying they would respect it. The government and civil service who don't believe in leaving and that's been shown in the last 18 months of cave ins. People in general backing either another referendum or to revoke article 50. It's all undermined the process from day one, which is over three years ago now.
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 27, 2019 12:36:48 GMT 1
Haven't you forgot to add the ERG members who persistently voted against May's Brexit deal? Or how about those who didn't have a clue what the details of Brexit meant when they campaigned for it in the first place?
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 27, 2019 13:04:36 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire. How do you work that out? The reason is that Conservatives under May refused to let other parties negotiate with them and negotiated a deal that was never going to be accepted by parliament and has been universally condemned by leavers and remainders.... The conservatives continue to bicker and are currently wasting nearly three months deciding who’s the right person to negotiate the deal without any clear plan how.... Boris is waving his willy sounding tough to get the vote but pretty well everything he’s saying is being discounted by other politicians and the WTO
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Post by venceremos on Jun 27, 2019 13:05:53 GMT 1
please explain the mechanism by which that has happened Politicians who have decided to ignore the result, despite saying they would respect it. The government and civil service who don't believe in leaving and that's been shown in the last 18 months of cave ins. People in general backing either another referendum or to revoke article 50. It's all undermined the process from day one, which is over three years ago now. Brexit would have happened by now if the ERG hadn't voted against May. How is that the fault of the people not accepting the referendum result? Our brexit ministers have been David Davis, Dominic Raab and now Stephen Barclay. Davis and Raab in particular were responsible for brexit negotiations. How is their failure the responsibility of people not accepting the referendum result? As for "people in general" backing another referendum or A50 revocation - what a cheek, eh? People in a democracy exercising their democratic right to express their views! How dare they! Whatever next? I take it from this that, if Corbyn wins the next election, you'll get right behind him and won't do anything that might undermine him or his government.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 27, 2019 14:29:33 GMT 1
please explain the mechanism by which that has happened Politicians who have decided to ignore the result, despite saying they would respect it. The government and civil service who don't believe in leaving and that's been shown in the last 18 months of cave ins. People in general backing either another referendum or to revoke article 50. It's all undermined the process from day one, which is over three years ago now. You might need some of these, as I'm begining to think that you are getting a little out of your depth.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 27, 2019 19:27:02 GMT 1
All these problems have been caused by people who won't accept the referendum result. With a new PM on the way the EU might start shifting as it becomes clear we will leave and we won't be paying £39 billion to prop up their little empire. I asked you on the boris forum, but got no answer. Please could you explain why it is that leading brexiteers boris and liam fox have completely different views on how a no deal would work in terms of tariffs? And how is it that Liam Fox, who was supposed to be setting up new trade deals, isn't backing his fellow brexiteer Boris for next pm?
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Post by percy on Jun 27, 2019 19:42:52 GMT 1
There are so many holes in the Leavers stories now that Brexit is being exposed for the snake oil that it is.
The trouble is that everyone is so entrenched now that nothing will dissuade anyone from their position. I was amazed at the Tory polling that showed a majority of Tories would happily break up the union, have the country be plunged into an economic crisis, and destroy their own party so long as Brexit is delivered.
Other than a fallacy of "regaining control" nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit; yet the Tories are prepared to split the country over it.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 27, 2019 19:57:50 GMT 1
There's no holes in the leavers stories 🤣🤣🤣
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