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Post by salop27 on May 12, 2019 15:49:04 GMT 1
Farage is like Corbyn. You can run them down all you like, for perfectly legitimate reasons, but their supporters don't care.
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Post by neilsalop on May 12, 2019 17:04:19 GMT 1
Farage is like Corbyn. You can run them down all you like, for perfectly legitimate reasons, but their supporters don't care. The problem is Farage only cares about one thing, himself. Corbyn on the other hand cares about poverty, homelessness, the young , the old, the NHS, ex-servicemen sleeping rough, the police, the fire service, education and fairness. Yeah, just the same.
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Post by shrewsace on May 12, 2019 17:14:29 GMT 1
Farage is like Corbyn. You can run them down all you like, for perfectly legitimate reasons, but their supporters don't care. The problem is Farage only cares about one thing, himself. Corbyn on the other hand cares about poverty, homelessness, the young , the old, the NHS, ex-servicemen sleeping rough, the police, the fire service, education and fairness. Yeah, just the same. Facile comparison from Salop 27. You could apply that to supporters of any leader/politician. Personally, I don't see Corbyn as faultless, but believe his policies represent the best chance of a fairer and more compassionate country.
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Post by darkshrew on May 12, 2019 18:15:23 GMT 1
Saw Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning - good grief, regardless of what he stands for, what an unpleasant individual. Just seen it - incredible the lack of anything positive to say other than everyone else is wrong / bad - becoming more like his mate Trump each time I see him.
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Post by salop27 on May 12, 2019 18:29:27 GMT 1
The problem is Farage only cares about one thing, himself. Corbyn on the other hand cares about poverty, homelessness, the young , the old, the NHS, ex-servicemen sleeping rough, the police, the fire service, education and fairness. Yeah, just the same. Facile comparison from Salop 27. You could apply that to supporters of any leader/politician. Personally, I don't see Corbyn as faultless, but believe his policies represent the best chance of a fairer and more compassionate country. I don't think there are any political leaders in the UK who have the same following. Both are supremely popular in their own cults and both would be disastrous in charge of the UK.
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Post by shrewsace on May 12, 2019 19:13:54 GMT 1
Facile comparison from Salop 27. You could apply that to supporters of any leader/politician. Personally, I don't see Corbyn as faultless, but believe his policies represent the best chance of a fairer and more compassionate country. I don't think there are any political leaders in the UK who have the same following. Both are supremely popular in their own cults and both would be disastrous in charge of the UK. Think leading your party to its highest share of the vote since 2001 and making a net gain of 30 seats probably puts Corbyn outside 'cult' territory. But anyway, we ended up with Theresa May and thank god for that, eh - disaster averted!
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 13, 2019 7:11:22 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 8:26:07 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!) Oh behave
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 13, 2019 9:14:05 GMT 1
I would imagine Lib Dem MP, Ed Davey, is calling his constituency chairman a "cult" or something similar this morning, he's just defected to The Brexit Party.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 13, 2019 9:23:45 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!) Oh behave ok i will ;but whill this may seem far fetched and i dont seriously think there would be . however people of a certain age may remember this ; www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/15/comment.labour1"The great and the good feared that the country was out of control, and that Wilson lacked either the will or the desire to stand firm. Retired intelligence officers gathered with military brass and plotted a coup d'etat. They would seize Heathrow airport, the BBC and Buckingham Palace. Lord Mountbatten would be the strongman, acting as interim prime minister. The Queen would read a statement urging the public to support the armed forces, because the government was no longer able to keep order. It sounds fantastic, almost comic. But watch Greenwood talk of setting up his own private army in 1974-75. Listen to the former intelligence officer Brian Crozier admit his lobbying of the army, how they "seriously considered the possibility of a military takeover". Watch the archive footage of troop manoeuvres at Heathrow, billed as a routine exercise but about which Wilson was never informed - and which he interpreted as a show of strength, a warning, even a rehearsal for a coup. Listen to the voice of Wilson, who five weeks after resigning summoned two BBC journalists to tell them, secretly, of the plot."
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 10:15:11 GMT 1
It's all well and good Farage being a one trick pony if he is limiting his actions to the European elections with the specific intent on continuing to camping for the UK to leave the UK. However, if the Brexit party are going to go beyond that then they have to have more to offer than that. If they mean to take part in the national elections then it is quite right for people like Andrew Marr to ask him about his opinions beyond Brexit. People need to know what they are voting on when it comes to concerns beyond the UK's membership of the EU.
Farage is right that there is potentially a major shift in UK politics on the offering but I very much doubt Farage alone can take advantage of it. There are potentially more than 17 million disgruntled voters out there and if you can tap into that, if you can harness that disillusionment with the two main parties then you’re on to a good thing. But with that comes an awful lot of responsibility. I think that goes beyond Farage. If he really wants to make a success of this then he really needs to start surrounding himself with capable people who can help take things on and take things forward. First impressions are that no matter how charismatic he is, no matter how many people he is admired by and no matter how many people he can get to follow him...he does not look capable of going beyond what he has campaigned on for all these years and that's leaving the EU. I mean fair play to him, this is something he clearly thinks strongly about and he is clearly still determined to see it through. I’m sure there are more easier ways of spending your time if its only yourself that you are thinking about. But if they mean to go beyond that then the people of the UK need and should expect more from him and his party. I mean what if Brexit party gains seats at the next election and then we do leave the EU, are they done? Do they quit? Or do they mean to continue? If so, they have to have more from them. Perhaps we will hear more in time but his appearance on Marr didn't do him any favors at all.
He’s pointed to Italy as an example of things can turn on their head in a short time, you get momentum and things can really change. That it is Farage that may now be in place to take advance. That we have May. That we have Corbyn. We really, really are in a bad way.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 10:18:08 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!) I know an awful lot of people are prone to hyperbole in this day and age but as bad as we think things are in the UK, there not that bad. Not yet anyhow...
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Post by neilsalop on May 13, 2019 11:51:17 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!) I know an awful lot of people are prone to hyperbole in this day and age but as bad as we think things are in the UK, there not that bad. Not yet anyhow... You're in Germany, so how the hell do you know how bad it is getting here?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 12:26:40 GMT 1
I know an awful lot of people are prone to hyperbole in this day and age but as bad as we think things are in the UK, there not that bad. Not yet anyhow... You're in Germany, so how the hell do you know how bad it is getting here? Because I have many friends and family who still in England with whom I discuss such things a great deal. I read and watch the news. What a daft question... Why do you ask anyhow comrade, do you think the time is now ripe for the revolution?! Is a Coup d'état in the offering you think?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 12:42:29 GMT 1
A bit like watching highlights of the match on tv compared with being there for 90 minutes.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 12:49:43 GMT 1
A bit like watching highlights of the match on tv compared with being there for 90 minutes. That's a good one. How does that work then Matron? What am I missing? Clearly something has passed me by if we are indeed on the brink of a Coup d'état.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 12:55:42 GMT 1
considering the mess this country is in i am suprised there has not been Coup d'état, if the military hd not been cut to the bone there may have been one ( conspierarcy lovers may pherhaps think that is why they have been!) Oh my word 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 13:15:07 GMT 1
A bit like watching highlights of the match on tv compared with being there for 90 minutes. That's a good one. How does that work then Matron? What am I missing? Clearly something has passed me by if we are indeed on the brink of a Coup d'état. Can you read?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 13:23:21 GMT 1
That's a good one. How does that work then Matron? What am I missing? Clearly something has passed me by if we are indeed on the brink of a Coup d'état. Can you read? I only ask cos I’ve re read my post and I can’t see where I’ve put that I agree we are on the brink of a coup?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 13:38:55 GMT 1
I only ask cos I’ve re read my post and I can’t see where I’ve put that I agree we are on the brink of a coup? So we're not then. So things aren't that bad then. Hurrah. Which is also my thoughts and observation. Amazing what you can pick up even when living over here in Germany. Honestly thought I'd missed something. Maybe hadn't been included in the highlights... Unless of course the "highlight" comment wasn't directed at me, if so then apologies. But I gather it was.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 13:44:01 GMT 1
I only ask cos I’ve re read my post and I can’t see where I’ve put that I agree we are on the brink of a coup? So we're not then. So things aren't that bad then. Hurrah. Which is also my thoughts and observation. Amazing what you can pick up even when living over here in Germany. Honestly thought I'd missed something. Maybe hadn't been included in the highlights... Come on Stutty stop being a dick. It doesn’t become you!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 13:58:38 GMT 1
So we're not then. So things aren't that bad then. Hurrah. Which is also my thoughts and observation. Amazing what you can pick up even when living over here in Germany. Honestly thought I'd missed something. Maybe hadn't been included in the highlights... Come on Stutty stop being a dick. It doesn’t become you! Likewise. I thought my post was perfectly reasonable. It was you and another who saw the need to jump on it. When as far as I can see, you really didn't need to. Now it doesn't surprise me at all that you see a need to do so but if you're going to leap on something its probably best to do so when you have some reasonable ground to do so (I don't really see that here). Otherwise what do you expect in return?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 14:16:41 GMT 1
Maybe if you don’t want others jumping in, you should send a pm?
Do you really believe that living in Germany but talking to friends and family gives you as much insight into the state of the nation as living here?
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Post by shrewinspain on May 13, 2019 15:19:52 GMT 1
The ban on Brexit being discussed here in Spain seems to have been lifted and the tempers are getting more frayed than on this board.
Like many of the silent remainers we now have postal votes and so are looking forward to casting a vote this time in the Euros and hopefully in a second referendum.
A bit like Question Time here - the leavers here are the loud aggressive ones who will not let anyone else speak; the remainers are the quieter ones who stay out of their way because they know that reason and common sense left the building a long time ago.
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Post by Minormorris64 on May 13, 2019 15:21:30 GMT 1
I only ask cos I’ve re read my post and I can’t see where I’ve put that I agree we are on the brink of a coup? Venezuela anyone
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 15:31:43 GMT 1
Maybe if you don’t want others jumping in, you should send a pm? Do you really believe that living in Germany but talking to friends and family gives you as much insight into the state of the nation as living here? I'm more than happy to put my posts out there but if you're going to reply to them with sarcasm then what else do you expect in return? I replied to someone who seemed to be suggesting that a Coup d'état was a possibility in the UK. I replied that as bad as things may be, there are not that bad. Then we had you suggesting I'm not aware of the whole picture after Neil was asking how do I know how bad things are in the UK. Well to start off with, I know they are not that bad. Right? As for the question, which would have been a rather better way of engaging the discussion; I find that a tricky question to be honest but I guess for the most part, no. And I say "for the most part" because we do not limit are own judgement and opinion on what we experience in our day to day lives. I mean there are people out there I am sure who do not encounter the issues and problems that others do but that does not mean they are not aware of them. I'm sure when looking to certain topics you and I wouldn't be able to comment because of our own personal experiences of living in Stuttgart and Shrewsbury (where I gather you live) but are aware of what is happening and have an opinion because we take time out to find out. I mean I'm sure there are many people in the UK who are concerned about poverty but have never experienced or witnessed it but they very much know that it exists. Or is there something specific you mean?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 13, 2019 15:40:32 GMT 1
A bit like Question Time here - the leavers here are the loud aggressive ones who will not let anyone else speak; the remainers are the quieter ones who stay out of their way because they know that reason and common sense left the building a long time ago. Nice bait, let us know if you catch anything...
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Post by venceremos on May 13, 2019 15:55:34 GMT 1
A bit like watching highlights of the match on tv compared with being there for 90 minutes. That's a good one. How does that work then Matron? What am I missing? Clearly something has passed me by if we are indeed on the brink of a Coup d'état. You’re missing a lot of time wasting, players struggling to create anything, some bad fouls and a bit of crowd unrest. The highlights will be better. Mind you, it’s very early in the brexit season yet - a loooooooong way to go.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 16:49:53 GMT 1
Maybe if you don’t want others jumping in, you should send a pm? Do you really believe that living in Germany but talking to friends and family gives you as much insight into the state of the nation as living here? To be fair... when i was living in Germany, and we only had BFBS then... so news was rather limited and not on tap like it is now, i would often talk tonpeople to guage how the UK was missi g me, and what was going on, it was fairly accurate then as it would be now.... its a lot smaller planet now, so stutty would ha e a general vibe how it is....
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 18:47:01 GMT 1
Like many of the silent remainers we now have postal votes and so are looking forward to casting a vote this time in the Euros and hopefully in a second referendum. Good see democracy in action. It was shameful that British migrants in the EU weren't allowed a say.
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