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Post by neilsalop on Apr 14, 2019 15:42:19 GMT 1
How did a Brexit thread turn into a Corbyn anti-semitism thread?
Corbyn has stood up against racism, bigotry and prejudice all of his political career, yet to some he is the devil incarnate, while Farage and Tommy Ten Names have spouted nothing but hatred against one group or another, yet can seemingly do no wrong.
Speaking of the Poundshop Moseley, I notice he was absent fromm the massive (12 according the Star) EDL demo in Wellington yesterday. Probably still on his holiday in the Caribbean (no doubt paid for with donations from his loyal sheep ).
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 14, 2019 16:17:37 GMT 1
Great launch of the Brexit Party by Farage and Tice, in Birmingham yesterday. Hopefully clean up at the sordid MEP elections. Sticking up for the majority 52%.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 14, 2019 16:26:59 GMT 1
Great launch of the Brexit Party by Farage and Tice, in Birmingham yesterday. Hopefully clean up at the sordid MEP elections. Sticking up for the majority 52%. Why are they fielding candidates at a 'sordid election' for seats in an organisation they believe is corrupt? Must take some proper mental gymnastics to convince yourself that's some sort of principled, heroic stand.
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Post by salop27 on Apr 14, 2019 21:32:26 GMT 1
Think Salop27 provided you some examples, you chose to ignore them. Similarly you'll chose to ignore the fact Corbyn knowingly allows his party to mislay, ignore or not investigate claims of antisemitism. Errr no he didn’t (unless I’ve missed them, in which case pop em up and I’ll address them)! Either way, you made the sound bite, I mean, accusation, do your own homework! So.........still waiting! On page 57 I provided you with some points as to why Corbyn could be labelled as an anti semite. As I said I don't think he's racist though. I think he is stupid though and his actions in who he associates with is hardly reassuring for the UKs Jewish community. Anyway, back to brexit. I'm sure we can all agree it's been a big screw up... I'm also sure we all have different ideas on how to fix it 😉
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 10:02:43 GMT 1
Errr no he didn’t (unless I’ve missed them, in which case pop em up and I’ll address them)! Either way, you made the sound bite, I mean, accusation, do your own homework! So.........still waiting! I think he is stupid though and his actions in who he associates with is hardly reassuring for the UKs Jewish community. I think the term you are looking for is a "useful idiot" And you're right, hardly reassuring at all... Why is no one asking about Jeremy Corbyn’s worrying connections?Why did I protest against Corbyn? Look at his long list of evasionsI do find it bizarre that in response others seem more concerned in pointing out the behavior of others, none of whom are currently leader of the opposition (and are never likely to be either). It goes without saying that the actions of Corbyn are now under the microscope a darn sight more than they used to be when he was a back bencher, he's now vying to be the next PM...
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 15, 2019 10:03:33 GMT 1
Great launch of the Brexit Party by Farage and Tice, in Birmingham yesterday. Hopefully clean up at the sordid MEP elections. Sticking up for the majority 52%. This is the funniest thing I have read all year - and believe me I’ve read some side splitting stuff.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2019 10:46:07 GMT 1
Well, you no dealers had your chance. I’ve been in Greece for the week when no deal could have happened and I might have supported not being able to return to our stupid, embarrassing country if flights had been grounded and the crazies had their way. The prospect of growing olives and lemons near a beach quite appealed.
Oh well, back to the madhouse it is.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 11:05:58 GMT 1
Well, you no dealers had your chance. I’ve been in Greece for the week when no deal could have happened and I might have supported not being able to return to our stupid, embarrassing country if flights had been grounded and the crazies had their way. The prospect of growing olives and lemons near a beach quite appealed. Oh well, back to the madhouse it is. Hope you enjoyed your holidays but I would have thought a holiday in Greece would have been a gentle reminder that no matter how bad we think things are in the UK, they could be worse still...
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2019 11:33:00 GMT 1
Well, you no dealers had your chance. I’ve been in Greece for the week when no deal could have happened and I might have supported not being able to return to our stupid, embarrassing country if flights had been grounded and the crazies had their way. The prospect of growing olives and lemons near a beach quite appealed. Oh well, back to the madhouse it is. Hope you enjoyed your holidays but I would have thought a holiday in Greece would have been a gentle reminder that no matter how bad we think things are in the UK, they could be worse still... Perhaps a reminder of an undeniable lesson of history - every empire inevitably declines and falls, no exceptions and no reversals! That said, it’s arguable that one of our country’s greatest achievements has been in managing that decline so smoothly that some (hello Mr Farage) seem unaware that it’s still happening. I use the present tense because I think the process is continuing, relative to the growth of new powers, particularly Asian. My belief is that our E.U. membership has helped us achieve such a smooth transition so far and can continue to do so in future, if we only let it. Try as we might, we can’t reverse our history or change our geography. Greece is still here, fighting its corner from within, as should we!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 11:57:50 GMT 1
Hope you enjoyed your holidays but I would have thought a holiday in Greece would have been a gentle reminder that no matter how bad we think things are in the UK, they could be worse still... Perhaps a reminder of an undeniable lesson of history - every empire inevitably declines and falls, no exceptions and no reversals! That said, it’s arguable that one of our country’s greatest achievements has been in managing that decline so smoothly that some (hello Mr Farage) seem unaware that it’s still happening. I use the present tense because I think the process is continuing, relative to the growth of new powers, particularly Asian. My belief is that our E.U. membership has helped us achieve such a smooth transition so far and can continue to do so in future, if we only let it. Try as we might, we can’t reverse our history or change our geography. Greece is still here, fighting its corner from within, as should we! Reverse our history or change our geography? Try as we might? Blimey. Welcome back...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 11:59:46 GMT 1
Corbyn isn't anti-Semitic, because if he was he wouldn't engage with Jews in the first place. I guess it's worth pointing out that plenty of Jews support his stance on Isreal and support his leadership of the Labour Party. I wonder what that makes them.
It's a much nonsense as Lammy calling Reece-Mogg and Johnson Nazis.
But, still if it fits people's agenda to call Corbyn anti-Semitic, than crack on. I and many others will laugh at you.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2019 12:20:10 GMT 1
Perhaps a reminder of an undeniable lesson of history - every empire inevitably declines and falls, no exceptions and no reversals! That said, it’s arguable that one of our country’s greatest achievements has been in managing that decline so smoothly that some (hello Mr Farage) seem unaware that it’s still happening. I use the present tense because I think the process is continuing, relative to the growth of new powers, particularly Asian. My belief is that our E.U. membership has helped us achieve such a smooth transition so far and can continue to do so in future, if we only let it. Try as we might, we can’t reverse our history or change our geography. Greece is still here, fighting its corner from within, as should we! Reverse our history or change our geography? Try as we might? Blimey. Welcome back... Not back just yet but sarcasm travels well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 12:47:18 GMT 1
Errr no he didn’t (unless I’ve missed them, in which case pop em up and I’ll address them)! Either way, you made the sound bite, I mean, accusation, do your own homework! So.........still waiting! On page 57 I provided you with some points as to why Corbyn could be labelled as an anti semite. As I said I don't think he's racist though. I think he is stupid though and his actions in who he associates with is hardly reassuring for the UKs Jewish community. Anyway, back to brexit. I'm sure we can all agree it's been a big screw up... I'm also sure we all have different ideas on how to fix it 😉 Could be. Though you agree he is not a racist. So do you think he is an anti Semite? Which part of the uk Jewish community? They don’t all hate him you know. Strangely, there is a large Jewish movement that supports antizionism and is opposed to the setting up of the Israeli state in its current form. Are they antisemites to? I find it concerning that there are those who seem to salivate over stuff like this, yet you never seem to hear or see any outrage that hundreds of thousands of children live in poverty, or a million working families rely on food banks. Too far removed from this all perhaps?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2019 12:55:10 GMT 1
Reverse our history or change our geography? Try as we might? Blimey. Welcome back... Not back just yet but sarcasm travels well. Not meant as such. We are miles apart on how we see many things but I still enjoy the debate...
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 15, 2019 13:58:24 GMT 1
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Post by salop27 on Apr 15, 2019 14:30:33 GMT 1
I keep thinking I won't reply anymore about Corbyn on this thread as its not brexit related but... As said I don't think Corbyn is racist so that includes being anti semitic. His continual support of some groups though will continue raise questions. Indeed some Jews share his views on Palestine so for me to say the whole of the UKs Jewish community was incorrect. I think a survey last year said 40% of UK Jews would consider moving abroad if labour got into power though so there's a large chunk unhappy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 14:37:22 GMT 1
I keep thinking I won't reply anymore about Corbyn on this thread as its not brexit related but... As said I don't think Corbyn is racist so that includes being anti semitic. His continual support of some groups though will continue raise questions. Indeed some Jews share his views on Palestine so for me to say the whole of the UKs Jewish community was incorrect. I think a survey last year said 40% of UK Jews would consider moving abroad if labour got into power though so there's a large chunk unhappy. It is. But if we don’t care what 48% think, we won’t surely pay any attention to 40%? 👍
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 15, 2019 17:42:26 GMT 1
Great launch of the Brexit Party by Farage and Tice, in Birmingham yesterday. Hopefully clean up at the sordid MEP elections. Sticking up for the majority 52%. This is the funniest thing I have read all year - and believe me I’ve read some side splitting stuff. And that’s also the biggest bite I’ve seen all year
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2019 17:54:15 GMT 1
Not back just yet but sarcasm travels well. Not meant as such. We are miles apart on how we see many things but I still enjoy the debate... I meant my sarcasm - which illustrates your point!
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Post by percy on May 7, 2019 15:30:09 GMT 1
We had an update to our scenarios at work this morning - the most likely scenario is now remain (by such a margin that I am amazed).
The rationale that we have been told for the swing is that a "confirmatory referendum" is now seen by Labour and Tories alike as the only way to get an exit deal through parliament. The opinion polls we commission each month currently have remain:leave at more than 60:40 in favour of remain [our sample was statistically representative of the national vote at the date of the original referendum for those of those polled that voted]. The poll also indicates that the participation rate amongst leave voters will fall and the participation rate for remain will increase.
Cameron's ploy to unite the Tories has divided the country, wasted millions, damaged UK businesses, damaged our reputation globally, and has made politicians even more loathed - the only good news is that it has destroyed the Tories as their radical and moderate wings will not be able to bury the hatchet. I'm hoping that on the labour side we also see the radical wing splitting off to leave a more centrist party - or at least Corbyn and Abbot retiring.
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Post by venceremos on May 7, 2019 16:21:40 GMT 1
Seems to me the confirmatory referendum gives every politician the chance to wash their hands of this, whatever the outcome, as well as the obvious point that it enables every voter to agree they want brexit delivered in that way, or not.
If it goes against you as an MP, well, you can say you tried to remain/leave and you gave the people the final choice once it was known what leaving entailed. Why wouldn't you do that?
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2019 17:18:50 GMT 1
Conservative MP and former member of the Eurosceptic European Research Group Daniel Kawczynski has told BBC Radio 5 Live that he believes another referendum is “inevitable” if cross-party compromise talks fail – and would blame his former ERG colleagues for it.
Daniel Kawcynski told Emma Barnett that
“If we fail, if there can be no compromise between the parties, I can actually see then the logic, and other people will be demanding another referendum. And those like me who have genuine concerns about what will happen to our society if we go through this process again, we will lose that debate over the referendum, because it will be the only option then left available to try to break the gridlock that we've entered into.
“And it will be the fault of these people in the Conservative party – in the ERG, and others – who refuse to compromise. I can't begin to explain how worried and angry I am at their lack of being able to compromise and listen to what their constituents have to say.”
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 7, 2019 17:45:57 GMT 1
if we have another referendum i would expect the remainders to win, my rational for this is ; this time round they will not be complacent. there will be a larger turn out for the vote operation confusion / fear has done its job my only hope is that new parties emerge who will be more able than the useless lot currently in charge
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Post by salop27 on May 7, 2019 17:48:13 GMT 1
Conservative MP and former member of the Eurosceptic European Research Group Daniel Kawczynski has told BBC Radio 5 Live that he believes another referendum is “inevitable” if cross-party compromise talks fail – and would blame his former ERG colleagues for it. Daniel Kawcynski told Emma Barnett that “If we fail, if there can be no compromise between the parties, I can actually see then the logic, and other people will be demanding another referendum. And those like me who have genuine concerns about what will happen to our society if we go through this process again, we will lose that debate over the referendum, because it will be the only option then left available to try to break the gridlock that we've entered into. “And it will be the fault of these people in the Conservative party – in the ERG, and others – who refuse to compromise. I can't begin to explain how worried and angry I am at their lack of being able to compromise and listen to what their constituents have to say.” I heard him say similar things on LBC this afternoon. He also scoffed at Nigel Farage saying none of his brexit plans would get through parliament, so actually no different to the other main parties. The dim wit fails to realise he will lose his seat if a general election is called as half his voters will vote for The Brexit Party. Brexit Party mantra is quickly becoming "get us out or we'll get you out" Sitting MPs beware.
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2019 21:45:51 GMT 1
Theresa May is targeting July 1 as the day Britain leaves the EU after abandoning a deadline for a Brexit agreement with Labour.
David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Government was “redoubling” its efforts to ensure a Brexit deal is passed by Parliament in time to prevent MEPs taking up their seats in Brussels.
If that proves impossible, the Government will make sure the EU Withdrawal Agreement is “done and dusted” before Parliament rises for the summer, meaning Brexit day would be August 1.
It means that Mrs May has now set five separate dates for Britain to leave the EU.
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Post by northwestman on May 7, 2019 21:53:01 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 8, 2019 12:03:14 GMT 1
Has Mrs May ever done anything right in her whole political career?
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Post by northwestman on May 9, 2019 11:30:32 GMT 1
I've been expecting this! She's obviously been working on her support base. The fragrant McVey finally surfaces.
"Esther McVey has formally entered the Tory leadership race as she and her rivals jostled for prime position in the battle to takeover from Theresa May who is under increasing pressure to quit.
The former work and pensions secretary who resigned from the Government over Brexit said she would be “going forward” in the contest after receiving “enough support” from Tory colleagues to warrant a run at the top job".
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Post by camdenshrew on May 9, 2019 12:14:47 GMT 1
A classic example of vaulting ambition outstripping any semblance of ability. And there are so many of them on both front benches.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 9, 2019 22:39:21 GMT 1
The only good thing about this mess is that Noel Edmunds couldn't copyright the words " deal or no deal".
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