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Post by townfanincrewe on Nov 1, 2018 0:33:26 GMT 1
Will STFC take over the Power league? Crewe Alex have a similar center and always seem to do well out of it even though there is no bar. I would of thought it would be ideal for the town as they could use it when the weather's bad as well as make money from it. Extend the bar and you have the best of both worlds supporters bar on match day and club make money 7 days a week from it. problem with the away end is easy fixed by moving the gate/fence. So they can only get on the coaches.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 1, 2018 7:33:06 GMT 1
...although powerleague, who have facilities like this up and down the country, have not been able to make the site make them enough money to justify keeping it open, but STFC could....?
Hmm - I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree, but I expect the commercial reality is way different from what we imagine. Would asume that if powerleague can't make the site make them any money then someone will explore the commercial opportunities to completely redevelop the site.
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Post by thesalmon on Nov 1, 2018 9:11:05 GMT 1
...although powerleague, who have facilities like this up and down the country, have not been able to make the site make them enough money to justify keeping it open, but STFC could....? Hmm - I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree, but I expect the commercial reality is way different from what we imagine. Would asume that if powerleague can't make the site make them any money then someone will explore the commercial opportunities to completely redevelop the site. Power league could be getting stung by the rents? If stfc own the land then shall be rent free = profit?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2018 9:29:57 GMT 1
Couldn't see the club taking on the ownership of the centre as a whole including the pitches and the running of a 5-a-side centre. Think that would be something they'd not be interested in, would be too much to take on. Guess the hope was that if no one came in to take over the centre then the club might consider using the building in some way as a supporters bar...but if that were to happen I suspect the pitches would be left well alone and would be left unused. Think it's a long shot anyhow that the club will get involved in any way...
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 1, 2018 9:53:01 GMT 1
Couldn't see the club taking on the ownership of the centre as a whole including the pitches and the running of a 5-a-side centre. Think that would be something they'd not be interested in, would be too much to take on. Guess the hope was that if no one came in to take over the centre then the club might consider using the building in some way as a supporters bar...but if that were to happen I suspect the pitches would be left well alone and would be left unused. Think it's a long shot anyhow that the club will get involved in any way... Got a feeling that when the planning was approaved for the new stadium, these pitches partly satisfied the planning requirement for community pitches. Can’t see why a professional football club couldn’t run a football facility where they already own the land.... What with Football in the Community, and the club surely they could organise a mix of profit making and community events, how about a nursery during the day and a footy facility in the evenings . Just another facility to add to the already popular function suits, plus used on match day for supporters....
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Post by horse01 on Nov 1, 2018 10:21:16 GMT 1
Why not change it to the Community Hub and move the STFC ITC into there instead?
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Post by northwestman on Nov 1, 2018 10:48:09 GMT 1
Surely at the very least there should be contingency plans to extend the Fanzone to cater for all the ex Power League customers?
I believe the Power League shuts down in January, which isn't the best month for standing around in the cold. But there does need to be somewhere, and somehow I can't see the Club throwing open the Arthur Rowley Lounge as a facility.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Nov 1, 2018 10:54:56 GMT 1
Something to raise at next week's supporters parliament meeting
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 1, 2018 10:59:03 GMT 1
Something to raise at next week's supporters parliament meeting Or in fact another facility to hold such things as the meeting 👍
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Post by keithb123 on Nov 1, 2018 11:33:50 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Nov 1, 2018 12:00:17 GMT 1
...although powerleague, who have facilities like this up and down the country, have not been able to make the site make them enough money to justify keeping it open, but STFC could....? Hmm - I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree, but I expect the commercial reality is way different from what we imagine. Would asume that if powerleague can't make the site make them any money then someone will explore the commercial opportunities to completely redevelop the site. Power league could be getting stung by the rents? If stfc own the land then shall be rent free = profit? Not necessarily. As landlord, STFC will have had maintenance and other costs for its asset - simply receiving rent doesn't mean you automatically make a profit. STFC will still have those costs if it runs the facility as well, so it could add more cost to that business rather than reduce its costs. I've no idea whether the rental income has been a source of profit and it would be nice if STFC could make a success of the powerleague operation. Whether or not that's feasible, I don't know.
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Post by Riversider on Nov 1, 2018 18:23:43 GMT 1
The club will be taking Powerleague back and nothing will change to the facility other than refurbishment.
The community programme will manage the pitches and the club will run the bar.
With the pitches going to the community the club will make far more money than Powerleague ever could because effectively, they are a charity which will give them a large amount of tax relief. Also the club wont charge itself rent.
So essentially the facility will be owned by 2 different companies.
This is 100% fact.
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Post by haughmond on Nov 1, 2018 18:54:16 GMT 1
Can’ t see the club making the Powerleague venue a supporters bar, especially as a “new” pub is being built on land just up Oteley Road near the old Nursery (which is now closed down) The site is quite large and should provide ample parking space for customers, and as a business venture I would guess it would be open for both home and away fans.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Nov 1, 2018 18:55:44 GMT 1
www.alexsoccercentre.com Something like this would work really well work really well with STFC in the community running it. We also have the added extra of a bar. Its all there already so no outlay if the club still own it anyway.
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Post by mattmw on Nov 1, 2018 19:32:42 GMT 1
The club will be taking Powerleague back and nothing will change to the facility other than refurbishment. The community programme will manage the pitches and the club will run the bar. With the pitches going to the community the club will make far more money than Powerleague ever could because effectively, they are a charity which will give them a large amount of tax relief. Also the club wont charge itself rent. So essentially the facility will be owned by 2 different companies. This is 100% fact. I think the Shrewsbury Town in the Community Charity taking on the site would be great, but can't see it benefiting the club financially. If Shrewsbury Town in the Community charity would have to show that any profits made from the venture were put back into the charity, rather than the club as the Charity Commission would get very edgy about a charity potentially being a vehicle for supporting the football club business instead. Same situation would go for the business rates on the site, as if its primary purpose is as a commercial operation then its unlikely rate relief would be granted. Both the Charity Commission and tax authorities are looking very closely at charities at the moment.
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Post by suttonshrew on Nov 1, 2018 19:43:25 GMT 1
It’s something we have been discussing with Brian from the day it was announced Powerleague were pulling out.
It’s on the agenda at next weeks SP meeting so if you can come along please do, if not we will update you as and when we have concrete news
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Nov 1, 2018 21:10:42 GMT 1
The club will be taking Powerleague back and nothing will change to the facility other than refurbishment. The community programme will manage the pitches and the club will run the bar. With the pitches going to the community the club will make far more money than Powerleague ever could because effectively, they are a charity which will give them a large amount of tax relief. Also the club wont charge itself rent. So essentially the facility will be owned by 2 different companies. This is 100% fact. Exactly 100% what I have heard from a Powerleague employee
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 1, 2018 21:20:54 GMT 1
The most important part for me, is that people will be keeping their jobs.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Dec 21, 2018 15:15:17 GMT 1
Update from Brian Caldwell. Aim is to take over running from 1st February. From 8 minutes on into audio interview.
Plus we need a name for the bar don't we? Blue and Amber Bar?
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Post by Pilch on Dec 21, 2018 16:51:27 GMT 1
By March 1st they will have a choice of just 3 drinks and 6 tellies will be broke
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 21, 2018 17:56:59 GMT 1
Has it's position just behind the away end ever been an issue, is there ever a time when its not been available for Town fans before and after a home game?
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Post by barrynic on Dec 21, 2018 18:25:37 GMT 1
The toilet seats are being removed...as we speak.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Dec 21, 2018 18:40:54 GMT 1
Has it's position just behind the away end ever been an issue, is there ever a time when its not been available for Town fans before and after a home game? Very rarely as far as I recall. There was that Bradford game where the gate was unlocked. Also recall a home game v Colchester increase the club finally caved in to the usual "There's only three away fans" cries of disbelief and left the gate open straight after the final whistle only for a fight to break out between a town fan and one of the handful of away fans there were. Unbelievable. Generally speaking though they just lock the big green gate so you might have to wait 15 mins for your pint but trouble is rare. Whether that will change with it being an "official" club bar I don't know.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 21, 2018 19:51:36 GMT 1
Has it's position just behind the away end ever been an issue, is there ever a time when its not been available for Town fans before and after a home game? never been any problems with fans except once or twice when power crazy stewards created some eg instead of letting fans find their way back to the power bar after a game ( which never caused any type of issue in the slightest) they would occasionally create a barrier and hold fans back together, which of course then got noticed by away fans who sometimes got the wrong idea and wanted to fight the gathering home fans me and my mates stopped going after games once this happened never been any issues before games, away fans are not allowed but occasionally have sneaked in for a peaceful drink my point has always been that the home end and away end should be swapped making this bar an even better option
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Post by callum on Dec 21, 2018 20:01:24 GMT 1
Has it's position just behind the away end ever been an issue, is there ever a time when its not been available for Town fans before and after a home game? never been any problems with fans except once or twice when power crazy stewards created some eg instead of letting fans find their way back to the power bar after a game ( which never caused any type of issue in the slightest) they would occasionally create a barrier and hold fans back together, which of course then got noticed by away fans who sometimes got the wrong idea and wanted to fight the gathering home fans me and my mates stopped going after games once this happened never been any issues before games, away fans are not allowed but occasionally have sneaked in for a peaceful drink my point has always been that the home end and away end should be swapped making this bar an even better option What give the away fans the safe standing?!!!!
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Post by Pilch on Dec 21, 2018 20:03:18 GMT 1
never been any problems with fans except once or twice when power crazy stewards created some eg instead of letting fans find their way back to the power bar after a game ( which never caused any type of issue in the slightest) they would occasionally create a barrier and hold fans back together, which of course then got noticed by away fans who sometimes got the wrong idea and wanted to fight the gathering home fans me and my mates stopped going after games once this happened never been any issues before games, away fans are not allowed but occasionally have sneaked in for a peaceful drink my point has always been that the home end and away end should be swapped making this bar an even better option What give the away fans the safe standing?!!!! I forgot about that but it should be at both ends anyway
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 22, 2018 10:19:29 GMT 1
What give the away fans the safe standing?!!!! I forgot about that but it should be at both ends anyway Yes let's spend a lot of money increasing the vocal support of away fans. 🤦♂️
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Post by northwestman on Dec 22, 2018 12:04:06 GMT 1
I forgot about that but it should be at both ends anyway Yes let's spend a lot of money increasing the vocal support of away fans. 🤦♂️ and they might even set up a drum. Gulp!
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Post by northwestman on Jan 20, 2019 11:59:56 GMT 1
The Club take over the Powerleague on 1st February 2019.
There was no bottled beer available for the Charlton game, as they were not ordering any more Salopian beers, presumably because the Club has a contract with Woods.
That leaves the frightening prospect of no beer available other than vile keg Boddingtons for the Wolves game, when I'd imagine they are going to be packed out.
Please can someone arrange for some bottled beers to be available!
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Post by scooter on Jan 20, 2019 12:18:58 GMT 1
The Club take over the Powerleague on 1st February 2019. There was no bottled beer available for the Charlton game, as they were not ordering any more Salopian beers, presumably because the Club has a contract with Woods. That leaves the frightening prospect of no beer available other than vile keg Boddingtons for the Wolves game, when I'd imagine they are going to be packed out. Please can someone arrange for some bottled beers to be available! Or bring in a barrel of ale, as they do in the Fanzine
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