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Aug 25, 2018 18:06:30 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 18:06:30 GMT 1
If Hurst was still here would we be any better off? Yes. Fewer signings, stable coaching setup etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 18:13:26 GMT 1
Fewer signings, stable coaching setup etc. Hurst would have had the same budget as Askey, there is no guarantee that Ogogo, Rodman, et al would have stayed. Nolan and Toto, would certainly have gone. Stable coaching, fine, but Hurst was the first to admit that last season caught him by surprise. The point I'm making is that the " difficult 2nd season" (once everyone worked us out) could easily have started like this. A couple of games were we didn't nick a late winner, and so on, and on.
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Aug 25, 2018 18:16:37 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 25, 2018 18:16:37 GMT 1
Fewer signings, stable coaching setup etc. Well for me more that he is a manager that has already proven he can manage at this level and put together a side that can compete and be successful at this level. With Askey, as yet, we do not have that. No brainer for me. Hurst has proven he can do it at this level, Askey has not. More so with this start.
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 25, 2018 18:17:59 GMT 1
Cant blame PH for wanting to try his luck in the Championship but I think most managers have a limit at what level they can be successful. MM was clearly a good lower league manager but out of his depth in Div 1. Hopefully John Askey will not be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 18:20:13 GMT 1
Hurst wasn't successful at this level and was only 'proven' after we gave him a chance.
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Aug 25, 2018 18:21:37 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 18:21:37 GMT 1
Fewer signings, stable coaching setup etc. Hurst would have had the same budget as Askey, there is no guarantee that Ogogo, Rodman, et al would have stayed. Nolan and Toto, would certainly have gone. Stable coaching, fine, but Hurst was the first to admit that last season caught him by surprise. The point I'm making is that the " difficult 2nd season" (once everyone worked us out) could easily have started like this. A couple of games were we didn't nick a late winner, and so on, and on. Can't see Payne being shipped out, or Jones, or Morris, or Hurst.
Would interesting if Agogo had opted to stay too.
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Aug 25, 2018 18:25:32 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 18:25:32 GMT 1
Hurst would have had the same budget as Askey, there is no guarantee that Ogogo, Rodman, et al would have stayed. Nolan and Toto, would certainly have gone. Stable coaching, fine, but Hurst was the first to admit that last season caught him by surprise. The point I'm making is that the " difficult 2nd season" (once everyone worked us out) could easily have started like this. A couple of games were we didn't nick a late winner, and so on, and on. Can't see Payne being shipped out, or Jones, or Morris, or Hurst.
Would interesting if Agogo had opted to stay too.
I agree Jones and Morris would more than likely be here now, but we saw how poor we looked when Morris replaced Ogogo. I doubt the players you mention would have stayed if offered more money else where. No one is that loyal and those who left are on their last big contract before disappearing into the pyramid.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 25, 2018 18:52:51 GMT 1
I’m not so sure Toto and Nolan would be gone if PH was still here. It doesn’t seem as if anyone else came in for them.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 25, 2018 20:11:13 GMT 1
Congratulations to Sheffield Wednesdays players, staff and supporters today.......
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Aug 25, 2018 20:19:58 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 20:19:58 GMT 1
Hurst would have had the same budget as Askey, there is no guarantee that Ogogo, Rodman, et al would have stayed. Nolan and Toto, would certainly have gone. Stable coaching, fine, but Hurst was the first to admit that last season caught him by surprise. The point I'm making is that the " difficult 2nd season" (once everyone worked us out) could easily have started like this. A couple of games were we didn't nick a late winner, and so on, and on. Can't see Payne being shipped out, or Jones, or Morris, or Hurst.
Would interesting if Agogo had opted to stay too.
Jones and Morris haven't established themselves in 6 and 18 months between them with either manager. You are living in a fantasy realm if you think Ogogo and Payne would've stayed here out of some blind loyalty to Hurst had he been here and not other clubs increasing their wage packets.
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Aug 25, 2018 20:36:00 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 20:36:00 GMT 1
Can't see Payne being shipped out, or Jones, or Morris, or Hurst.
Would interesting if Agogo had opted to stay too.
Jones and Morris haven't established themselves in 6 and 18 months between them with either manager. You are living in a fantasy realm if you think Ogogo and Payne would've stayed here out of some blind loyalty to Hurst had he been here and not other clubs increasing their wage packets. Ogogo maybe. Though having a manager you know you can work with would surely be a plus point when weighing up any move. Jones never really got a fiar shake IMO and Morris looks to be a developing player, would sooner have him in reserve then Doug Loft. Wouldn't be shocked if Payne's move was triggered by not being JA's kind of striker, he seems to prefer deep lying forwards.
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Aug 25, 2018 20:47:34 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Aug 25, 2018 20:47:34 GMT 1
Anyway. The symmetry between the 2 Clubs continues. W0 D2 L3 and both bottom of our respective Divisions, though we shade Plymouth by goal difference if not points.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 25, 2018 20:50:27 GMT 1
PH is stated as saying Ogogo was offered terms at Christmas and didn’t get back to them. He was always going to go nearer London!!!
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Aug 25, 2018 21:00:02 GMT 1
Post by champagneprince on Aug 25, 2018 21:00:02 GMT 1
Plymouth and Sc***horpe have hardly set the world alight from their opening games and they were two of the better sides we faced last season. Also, Walsall are near the top!
I'm not saying the league has an upside down feel to it but no need for us to panic just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 21:07:40 GMT 1
Anyway. The symmetry between the 2 Clubs continues. W0 D2 L3 and both bottom of our respective Divisions, though we shade Plymouth by goal difference if not points. br]and so too have Macclesfield 😊
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 21:17:11 GMT 1
Jones and Morris haven't established themselves in 6 and 18 months between them with either manager. You are living in a fantasy realm if you think Ogogo and Payne would've stayed here out of some blind loyalty to Hurst had he been here and not other clubs increasing their wage packets. Ogogo maybe. Though having a manager you know you can work with would surely be a plus point when weighing up any move. Jones never really got a fiar shake IMO and Morris looks to be a developing player, would sooner have him in reserve then Doug Loft. Wouldn't be shocked if Payne's move was triggered by not being JA's kind of striker, he seems to prefer deep lying forwards. Well it didn't weigh on ogogo or junior minds signing to play under a manager neither have played under before.... Fair enough on Jones but it is two managers who have decided he isn't yet worthy of starting regularly at L1 football. Bryn Morris is an interesting one. Given so many cracks at the whip last season but never once excelled and always on the periphery. Loft I'll reserve judgement on but then he is a squad player. Payne's move was triggered by a release clause that was in Payne's contract.. this for me means that Payne and his agent have had one eye on the door regardless of who is in charge by inserting such a clause in the first place. Same with the club who agreed to it.
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Aug 25, 2018 21:24:13 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Aug 25, 2018 21:24:13 GMT 1
Anyway. The symmetry between the 2 Clubs continues. W0 D2 L3 and both bottom of our respective Divisions, though we shade Plymouth by goal difference if not points. br]and so too have Macclesfield 😊 On that basis you could argue that both PH and Askey spotted the right time to get out!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2018 11:28:07 GMT 1
Anyway. The symmetry between the 2 Clubs continues. W0 D2 L3 and both bottom of our respective Divisions, though we shade Plymouth by goal difference if not points. Indeed. More ways than that to boot. Someone posted some threads from the Ipswich Facebook page on the Town Facebook page, you'd have difficultly identifying one from the other...very much the same discussions ongoing.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:19:28 GMT 1
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 26, 2018 21:19:28 GMT 1
Abs not in squad yesterday and Brown on bench
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 26, 2018 21:54:27 GMT 1
Abs not in squad yesterday and Brown on bench But still picking up more than double what they would have got here.
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Aug 26, 2018 22:16:45 GMT 1
Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 26, 2018 22:16:45 GMT 1
Plymouth and Sc***horpe have hardly set the world alight from their opening games and they were two of the better sides we faced last season. Also, Walsall are near the top! I'm not saying the league has an upside down feel to it but no need for us to panic just yet. all the years i have seen town play Walsall without a doubt the team they had last years was the worst by a country mile, i thought they were heading for relegation , this year they are going from strength to strength and unfortunately we are struggling.
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Post by tvor on Aug 27, 2018 16:45:56 GMT 1
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Post by callum on Sept 2, 2018 22:29:36 GMT 1
Still no wins for Ipswich after only drawing with Norwich today.
No win in six now.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 2, 2018 22:43:44 GMT 1
The symmetry continues.
Shrewsbury P6 W0 D3 L3. Ipswich P6 W0 D3 L3.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 2, 2018 23:11:13 GMT 1
There are talented managers and lucky managers........talented managers don't run out of talent......
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Post by philjh on Sept 3, 2018 7:35:00 GMT 1
Any bets on wich team will win first.
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Sept 3, 2018 8:37:51 GMT 1
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Post by greeny on Sept 3, 2018 8:37:51 GMT 1
Having a nosey at their messageboard they are yet to be convinced by Nolan..! They’re not seeing what all the fuss was about. Seem happy with Toto at the moment though...
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Post by northwestman on Sept 3, 2018 8:44:19 GMT 1
Having a nosey at their messageboard they are yet to be convinced by Nolan..! They’re not seeing what all the fuss was about. Seem happy with Toto at the moment though... Perhaps he's putting in the kind of performance that he did in the Final against Rotherham.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 3, 2018 9:04:04 GMT 1
Still no wins for Ipswich after only drawing with Norwich today. No win in six now. The one bright spot of the season so far. Long May their struggles continue, would love to see PH get the sack.
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Post by Dancin on Sept 3, 2018 9:29:07 GMT 1
Anyone found a decent video of Godfrey's tackle on Nolan from yesterday?
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