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Apr 9, 2018 21:44:09 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 9, 2018 21:44:09 GMT 1
If the ref had taken no action, the authorities can take retrospective action. The fact that the ref issued a yellow card means that they can't interfere because the ref saw the incident and what action he deemed appropriate. The ref chickened out because it was so early in the game, but a red card can be issued at any time if appropriate and it was. Hopefully the thug will get his just desserts in the near future. I quite agree Mark . Only trouble is the red card punishment only relates surely to the Checkatrade competition. It's over now so any retrospective punishment wouldn't relate to the football league . So, even if he had been sent off , which he should have been, that would have been it , he would still be able to turn out for Lincoln in their next football league game . Thats how I see it . I may be wrong and he has got away with a very cynical foul unfortunately . What do you think .? I believe the old adage, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Someone will do him, and the sooner the better.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 9, 2018 21:54:01 GMT 1
I quite agree Mark . Only trouble is the red card punishment only relates surely to the Checkatrade competition. It's over now so any retrospective punishment wouldn't relate to the football league . So, even if he had been sent off , which he should have been, that would have been it , he would still be able to turn out for Lincoln in their next football league game . Thats how I see it . I may be wrong and he has got away with a very cynical foul unfortunately . What do you think .? I believe the old adage, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Someone will do him, and the sooner the better. it was a cynical foul designed to rattle henderson and see if he would over react , it is only luck that henderson was not seriously injured. they got in towns face to put them off there stride it worked , the rubbish ref and linesman combined with a dismal performance just made the day worse. i am not a 100% on this but i believe the cards in this dont count towards the league games
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Post by Pilch on Apr 10, 2018 1:47:28 GMT 1
its goes on in every game
the higher the level , the dirtier the tricks
go watch the sunday league
in my day, a lower league sunday side, I could call for the ball before the corner was taken, amble out and catch it no problem play a few leagues up someone would stand in front of you, not really knowing why he was there and not causing any problem a little higher, he'd try and stop you coming for the ball, if you were decent you'd still outwit him get to the premier, now and then some smart arse would foul you and get away with it
I never got to play at a level where shirt pulling was part of the game
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Henderson
Apr 10, 2018 8:54:47 GMT 1
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Post by mrblackbat on Apr 10, 2018 8:54:47 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 10, 2018 9:01:45 GMT 1
I guess the incident must prove what a “lucky” team we have been once more............
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Post by mrblackbat on Apr 10, 2018 9:53:32 GMT 1
I don't think you've been "lucky" anymore than any other team who sits at the top of a table has; when a team's playing well they get the rub of the green, when they aren't, everything goes against them.
You guys fully deserve to get promotion, alongside Wigan and ourselves, and it'll be a travesty if whoever ends up in the playoffs doesn't win them.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2018 10:42:38 GMT 1
apart from been premeditated ,what i take from this we were lucky Henderson was not injured for the rest of the season
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 10, 2018 11:04:33 GMT 1
I quite agree Mark . Only trouble is the red card punishment only relates surely to the Checkatrade competition. It's over now so any retrospective punishment wouldn't relate to the football league . So, even if he had been sent off , which he should have been, that would have been it , he would still be able to turn out for Lincoln in their next football league game . Thats how I see it . I may be wrong and he has got away with a very cynical foul unfortunately . What do you think .? I believe the old adage, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Someone will do him, and the sooner the better. Pity they don’t have to play Northampton. A great battle with O’Toole and the thug me thinks!!!!
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Henderson
Apr 10, 2018 11:34:35 GMT 1
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Post by mrblackbat on Apr 10, 2018 11:34:35 GMT 1
apart from been premeditated ,what i take from this we were lucky Henderson was not injured for the rest of the season The latter yes, the former I disagree. He turns his back into Henderson; the contact with his arm is just down to the timing of the turn. If you watch it in slow mo it looks bad, at full speed it just looks lile he sees he's going to collide and turns his back. Happens all the time, when it's to your own player you get up in arms about it. *shrugs*
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Henderson
Apr 10, 2018 11:35:33 GMT 1
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Post by mrblackbat on Apr 10, 2018 11:35:33 GMT 1
Oh and it goes without saying I'm glad Henderson is ok.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 10, 2018 17:46:17 GMT 1
apart from been premeditated ,what i take from this we were lucky Henderson was not injured for the rest of the season The latter yes, the former I disagree. He turns his back into Henderson; the contact with his arm is just down to the timing of the turn. If you watch it in slow mo it looks bad, at full speed it just looks lile he sees he's going to collide and turns his back. Happens all the time, when it's to your own player you get up in arms about it. *shrugs* Strange how he seems to "accidentally " collide with someone almost every week. He is notorious across League 2. Thug.
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Post by horse01 on Apr 10, 2018 18:32:03 GMT 1
Obviously he’s on the wind up?!
Rhead is obviously that concerned that a keeper, half his body weight, who has his sole focus on the ball is going to ‘clatter’ him, that he feels the need to, instead of back off or duck out of the way, leave the ground with both feet whilst planting his elbow square on the jaw of said keeper?!
In Exkeepers day, and to a less extent my day, we’d have been able to chin the striker at an ensuing set piece. However, with all of the cameras around, Deano wouldn’t have the chance.
What Rhead did was tantamount to assault. If it had happened away from the football pitch, and with it on camera as it is, he would have spent the night in the nick!
Let me make this perfectly clear- THIS IS NOT THE REASON WE LOST THE FINAL- WE WERE VERY POOR!!
However, as a former keeper and a current coach at junior level, I am incensed that an incident like this has gone unpunished. What credible reason do you give a junior when asked why he did it? And why he got away with it?
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 10, 2018 18:40:13 GMT 1
There isn’t a credible reason. You can only say that (a) the ref doesn’t know the rules about assault or (b) he is too weak to be a referee and should never have been appointed in the first place.
All I could think on Sunday was ‘where’s that big, bald, French ref when you need him? I know he’s retired but we could certainly do with him over here coaching our refs.
I’m sure it’s no coincidence that no English refs are going to be at the World Cup. Too many of them have no guts and neither do the people in charge of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 19:26:29 GMT 1
Well said ssshrew. To my mind our Premiership refs are poor and,therefore , it follows that refs in the lower leagues are even worse. That's my view anyway backed up by the fact that we have had some horrendous clowns officiating this season. I can't see things improving either.
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Henderson
Apr 10, 2018 19:38:03 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 10, 2018 19:38:03 GMT 1
Obviously he’s on the wind up?! Rhead is obviously that concerned that a keeper, half his body weight, who has his sole focus on the ball is going to ‘clatter’ him, that he feels the need to, instead of back off or duck out of the way, leave the ground with both feet whilst planting his elbow square on the jaw of said keeper?! In Exkeepers day, and to a less extent my day, we’d have been able to chin the striker at an ensuing set piece. However, with all of the cameras around, Deano wouldn’t have the chance. What Rhead did was tantamount to assault. If it had happened away from the football pitch, and with it on camera as it is, he would have spent the night in the nick! Let me make this perfectly clear- THIS IS NOT THE REASON WE LOST THE FINAL- WE WERE VERY POOR!! However, as a former keeper and a current coach at junior level, I am incensed that an incident like this has gone unpunished. What credible reason do you give a junior when asked why he did it? And why he got away with it? Things have changed since my day Mark, and since I used to help you develop in an outstanding youth team. I was taught that whenever you went to collect a cross you jumped with one knee bent in front of you, to deter inrushing forwards, or at least to make sure that their first point of contact was with a part of your body that was likely to damage them more than you. That said, I did get done in the first ten minutes of a Synday League Cup final when the attacker came at me from the side and cracked one of my ribs with an elbow. The old pain relieving freeze spray allowed me to see out the game, which we won. I can still put a finger on that exact spot on my ribs and find the point of contact.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 10, 2018 23:06:40 GMT 1
There isn’t a credible reason. You can only say that (a) the ref doesn’t know the rules about assault or (b) he is too weak to be a referee and should never have been appointed in the first place. All I could think on Sunday was ‘where’s that big, bald, French ref when you need him? I know he’s retired but we could certainly do with him over here coaching our refs. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that no English refs are going to be at the World Cup. Too many of them have no guts and neither do the people in charge of them. Are you thinking of Collina? Italian I think.
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Henderson
Apr 11, 2018 7:27:06 GMT 1
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Post by mrblackbat on Apr 11, 2018 7:27:06 GMT 1
The latter yes, the former I disagree. He turns his back into Henderson; the contact with his arm is just down to the timing of the turn. If you watch it in slow mo it looks bad, at full speed it just looks lile he sees he's going to collide and turns his back. Happens all the time, when it's to your own player you get up in arms about it. *shrugs* Strange how he seems to "accidentally " collide with someone almost every week. He is notorious across League 2. Thug. As you'll see in my original post on our thread, I do both acknowledge that and say perhaps it does change things. He was the chap that wound up Barton no end a while back (a worthy endeavour!) I still think that in real time. And given human reaction times and that he was turning his back on Henderson, it's very unlikely he had time to think: I know if I stick my arm out and aim for his throat I'll proper do him. And given he's a big lad, and not too bright by the sounds of things, I doubt he'd somehow be able to rewrite the laws of physics in a moment and stop the effects of inertia.... He probably doesn't even know what inertia is!
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Henderson
Apr 11, 2018 7:48:51 GMT 1
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Apr 11, 2018 7:48:51 GMT 1
Strange how he seems to "accidentally " collide with someone almost every week. He is notorious across League 2. Thug. As you'll see in my original post on our thread, I do both acknowledge that and say perhaps it does change things. He was the chap that wound up Barton no end a while back (a worthy endeavour!) I still think that in real time. And given human reaction times and that he was turning his back on Henderson, it's very unlikely he had time to think: I know if I stick my arm out and aim for his throat I'll proper do him. And given he's a big lad, and not too bright by the sounds of things, I doubt he'd somehow be able to rewrite the laws of physics in a moment and stop the effects of inertia.... He probably doesn't even know what inertia is! Rhead's belly has certainly never suffered from inertia...
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Post by shrewinjapan on Apr 11, 2018 7:49:12 GMT 1
The really bad thing is that the ref booked him. If he has given a yellow card, then he clearly didn't think it was an accidental coming together, but rather considered it a foul. Given that the foul was wiping out a keeper with an elbow-led bodycheck, how could it not be a red? Ref bottled it, plain and simple.
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Henderson
Apr 11, 2018 8:38:08 GMT 1
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Apr 11, 2018 8:38:08 GMT 1
The really bad thing is that the ref booked him. If he has given a yellow card, then he clearly didn't think it was an accidental coming together, but rather considered it a foul. Given that the foul was wiping out a keeper with an elbow-led bodycheck, how could it not be a red? Ref bottled it, plain and simple. I suspect the ref and lino didn't see the deliberate elbow and just booked him for the follow through into Henderson.
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Henderson
Apr 11, 2018 8:45:34 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 11, 2018 8:45:34 GMT 1
There isn’t a credible reason. You can only say that (a) the ref doesn’t know the rules about assault or (b) he is too weak to be a referee and should never have been appointed in the first place. All I could think on Sunday was ‘where’s that big, bald, French ref when you need him? I know he’s retired but we could certainly do with him over here coaching our refs. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that no English refs are going to be at the World Cup. Too many of them have no guts and neither do the people in charge of them. Are you thinking of Collina? Italian I think. Oh Yes I am. Typical me - almost there but never quite accurate!!!! Thanks.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 11, 2018 8:46:16 GMT 1
The really bad thing is that the ref booked him. If he has given a yellow card, then he clearly didn't think it was an accidental coming together, but rather considered it a foul. Given that the foul was wiping out a keeper with an elbow-led bodycheck, how could it not be a red? Ref bottled it, plain and simple. I suspect the ref and lino didn't see the deliberate elbow and just booked him for the follow through into Henderson. The Lino certainly should have done - he was right there. My gripe now and at the time was that the ref didn’t bother to ask him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 9:05:31 GMT 1
Strange that the linesman failed to see it , yet 20 mins later showed his X ray vision to see through at least half a dozen players too see an apparent push by toto.
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Post by Dale on Apr 11, 2018 9:19:36 GMT 1
Someone mentioned about the incident between Henderson and the Bradford fans after our game against them at home, will the Bradford fans be targeting him on Thursday? If they do and the potential is there to put him off his game, then it could be a good time to put Craig back in for a bit like GP did when he left Ben Davies out for a match at Chester where their fans couldn’t wait to meet him again and it deflated them when he was left out, Craig is a great deputy and will relish returning to the team back in his native Yorkshire.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 11, 2018 10:46:19 GMT 1
Are you thinking of Collina? Italian I think. Oh Yes I am. Typical me - almost there but never quite accurate!!!! Thanks. Bit like a referee really
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 11, 2018 10:47:46 GMT 1
Someone mentioned about the incident between Henderson and the Bradford fans after our game against them at home, will the Bradford fans be targeting him on Thursday? If they do and the potential is there to put him off his game, then it could be a good time to put Craig back in for a bit like GP did when he left Ben Davies out for a match at Chester where their fans couldn’t wait to meet him again and it deflated them when he was left out, Craig is a great deputy and will relish returning to the team back in his native Yorkshire. That'll be after the Home game with Davies diving to get a Penalty getting up and winking at the Town fans behind the Wakeman goal when the Ref gave it , t*****
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Apr 11, 2018 16:03:44 GMT 1
Strange how he seems to "accidentally " collide with someone almost every week. He is notorious across League 2. Thug. As you'll see in my original post on our thread, I do both acknowledge that and say perhaps it does change things. He was the chap that wound up Barton no end a while back (a worthy endeavour!) I still think that in real time. And given human reaction times and that he was turning his back on Henderson, it's very unlikely he had time to think: I know if I stick my arm out and aim for his throat I'll proper do him. And given he's a big lad, and not too bright by the sounds of things, I doubt he'd somehow be able to rewrite the laws of physics in a moment and stop the effects of inertia.... He probably doesn't even know what inertia is! Having watches the video back he knew exactly what he was doing..liked straight at Henderson and moved his body and arm to smash into Henderson... RHEAD then goes into his "what me ref" verbal and looks and seems aggrieved he got a yellow card.. Not his 1st time or last.he is a t**t of the highest order. Don't bother making excuses for him..he knew exactly what he was doing 😡
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