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Post by jamo on Mar 7, 2018 8:02:21 GMT 1
Well done to the club on reaching a cup final. Great achievement by the management and playing staff. I hope they go on to win it.
And for those fans, that from the outset have supported the team in its endeavours in this flawed competition I hope they enjoy it also.
However, there are many that a noble and principled stand at the commencement of this seasons Checkatrade competition and I hope that they cast their minds back and remember why they such a course of action.
Legitimate and lawful protest is, and should always be, a basic human right., more so in the face of establishment apologists and quislings. I salute those that remain true to the cause.
For those that would suddenly choose to cross the imaginary picket line in the pursuit of reflected glory, I hope you enjoy the day also. Enjoy it in the same way a straw man enjoys the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 8:05:58 GMT 1
I have to laugh at people saying "you've made your point, now get behind the lads". The final is exactly the place to make your point and seeing a deserted Wembley would send out a strong message. Sadly it won't happen and any other form of protest (ie banners) simply won't happen or the authorities won't allow it to happen
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 7, 2018 8:23:25 GMT 1
I really don't think a boycott will make much difference anyhow. Not many turn up to these games as it is so it's difficult to gauge whether people are boycotting or simply not turning up because they never did do anyhow for these games. I'd say the numbers boycotting won't have a huge impact on the numbers we'd be taking down there. I doubt most going will have any idea that there is a boycott, I suspect one or two won't even know that we did see "B" teams entered. I'm dead set against B teams being in the competition. I haven't of course made any boycott because I don't attend games. Perhaps any other year I may have been tempted to get over and see the final. But for me I'm finding it difficult to look beyond the league and I'd rather keep my powder dry for that. Finding it extremely difficult to get excited about this final appearance to be honest...
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Post by dachshund on Mar 7, 2018 8:33:01 GMT 1
‘Noble’- lololololol
There is a good point in here somewhere, but this is in danger of becoming a self-righteousness competition. A difference of a few hundred on the gate will have no impact at all, so people can and should make their own decisions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 8:41:43 GMT 1
I was at Wembley for the 1996 final and would love to see Mr Hurst lift the trophy next month, the first Salop manager to win at Wembley.
I fully understand fans views regarding B teams and I oppose such a move. However what seems obvious is that prem teams have been pretty poor and have been seen off comfortably in this competition.
The conpetition has always been seen as Mickey Mouse by most fans, well before B teams entered. Nothing has changed.
However we now have the chance of doing a double and making history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:07:18 GMT 1
An excellent post on a de rigueur topic.
I actually have more disdain for the faux-boycotters - who have jettisoned their principles as the competition has progressed - than I do for the “back the boys!” rent-a-mob. It is unseemly to see hitherto respected posters debasing themselves in such a way, but that’s just my opinion.
Here’s hoping that they rediscover a bit of spine prior to the final, and duck out accordingly.
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Post by camdenshrew on Mar 7, 2018 9:16:44 GMT 1
Well done to the club on reaching a cup final. Great achievement by the management and playing staff. I hope they go on to win it. And for those fans, that from the outset have supported the team in its endeavours in this flawed competition I hope they enjoy it also. However, there are many that a noble and principled stand at the commencement of this seasons Checkatrade competition and I hope that they cast their minds back and remember why they such a course of action. Legitimate and lawful protest is, and should always be, a basic human right., more so in the face of establishment apologists and quislings. I salute those that remain true to the cause. For those that would suddenly choose to cross the imaginary picket line in the pursuit of reflected glory, I hope you enjoy the day also. Enjoy it in the same way a straw man enjoys the wind. Let's have a sense of proportion here. Branding people you don't agree with as Quislings - ie Nazi collaborators - is just ridiculous. As is referring to basic human rights in relation to this issue. You're just trivialising the efforts of those who really do campaign for serious issues which involve basic human rights. Nobody is denying your freedom to make a protest about this but please don't elevate it into something on a par with winning a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:27:23 GMT 1
There’s nothing like cutting your nose to spite your face
I’ll be there to support the club, team and manager
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 7, 2018 9:30:14 GMT 1
There’s nothing like cutting your nose to spite your face I’ll be there to support the club, team and manager Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but did you not stop attending games under Turner or Mellon?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:35:54 GMT 1
There’s nothing like cutting your nose to spite your face I’ll be there to support the club, team and manager Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but did you not stop attending games under Turner or Mellon? That was a stance against Mellon as I was fed up of rubbish football and wasting good money, it was not a boycott against the EFL who quite frankly will act as they please despite stay the protestations of a few. It’s not everyday that our club find themselves in such a position, don’t waste the opportunity to hopefully celebrate some success Interesting to note Lincoln have sold 20,000 tickets thus far
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:39:59 GMT 1
Can understand both view points. While it's good to see people stick to a principle there's always potential for people to re-think their stance as circumstances change (as with anything in life). To be honest - I have more objection to the cash injection in football, the unsustainable wages paid to players (even at L1/2 level), the foreign investors using football clubs as toys, the disproportionate salaries, the extortionate ticket prices, the removal of terracing at grounds and even the introduction of VAR. But you know what, none of those things have stopped me supporting my team. I can have an objection to introduction of U23 teams but still support Salop in their quest for the trophy. I'm pleased to see two non-U23 teams in the final. I'll be at Wembley with many other Salop supporting folk and don't plan to judge them on their stance / opinions on the competition. Each to their own. Florets Salopia (PS it helps that Wembley is 7mins on the tube for me )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 9:44:30 GMT 1
I’m thoroughly looking forward to the final and optimistic we can finally beat our Wembley hoodoo.
Hoping to see as many Salop fans there as possible.
And if you don’t want to go for whatever reason then fair enough - each to their own! COYB!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 7, 2018 9:51:21 GMT 1
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but did you not stop attending games under Turner or Mellon? That was a stance against Mellon as I was fed up of rubbish football and wasting good money, it was not a boycott against the EFL who quite frankly will act as they please despite stay the protestations of a few. It’s not everyday that our club find themselves in such a position, don’t waste the opportunity to hopefully celebrate some success Interesting to note Lincoln have sold 20,000 tickets thus far Everyone has their reasons for attending and not attending, I sat through those miserable times out of some sense of misguided loyalty, yet I don’t find the same loyalty imploring me to go to Wembley. I just can’t suddenly find the enthusiasm for a cup I’ve been ambivalent at best towards just because we now might win it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 10:03:38 GMT 1
‘Noble’- lololololol There is a good point in here somewhere, but this is in danger of becoming a self-righteousness competition. A difference of a few hundred on the gate will have no impact at all, so people can and should make their own decisions Few hundred? I am not sure about that, more like 10 who have made a principled stand which is fair enough, although I would argue the vast majority disagree with the principle of u21/23 teams in the competition most would not have gone to the early games regardless of u21 teams or not but that is no boycott. It is normal that a larger support will go to Wembley. Most realise the format of the competition is forever changing for example having Conference teams in previously and it is likely to change in the future. As stated by a previous poster, if the Premier want B teams in the League they don’t require a minor Cup Competition to do it and will just enforce it through a financial carrot to League clubs.
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Post by mightyshrew on Mar 7, 2018 10:09:36 GMT 1
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but did you not stop attending games under Turner or Mellon? That was a stance against Mellon as I was fed up of rubbish football and wasting good money, it was not a boycott against the EFL who quite frankly will act as they please despite stay the protestations of a few. It’s not everyday that our club find themselves in such a position, don’t waste the opportunity to hopefully celebrate some success Interesting to note Lincoln have sold 20,000 tickets thus far Another reason why I think a Salop boycott with have little impact. Up against a Lincoln support, who judging their messageboard are worried they'll sell out there allocation. If anything (to me) it'll just be embarrassing for us
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Post by Pilch on Mar 7, 2018 10:14:49 GMT 1
I think its simple for boycotters to take a small banner to Wembley with No u23s etc
kill 2 birds with one stone kind of thing
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 10:44:46 GMT 1
I understand the reasoning but how many of the boycott folk would have gone in the first place? Nobody has actually done anything yet other than chatting on here about it so maybe the time has come for the protesters to gather and protest.
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Post by blueboy62 on Mar 7, 2018 11:24:53 GMT 1
I'm not a boycotter but I can see both sides. The EFL owe a huge debt to proper league clubs, and Lincoln in particular, in knocking out these U23 imposters.The format can only work if 'the good guys" win and we've done that already. Imagine a final of Chelsea U23 v Leicester U23 's would have been hugely embarrassing to the football authorities. We now have a proper final and I'll be there to hopefully see us win but whoever wins,it will be a victory over the greed of the Premier League. For me that's two good reasons to be there.
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Post by Fingers on Mar 7, 2018 11:25:44 GMT 1
Two distinct camps and quite rightly people are able to change their opinions.
This is a club and team issue.
The club voted against the proposals, they were outvoted at the AGM and as a result entered the competition at the group stage.
The cynics could argue whether we could withdraw from the competition - I assuming that this is not an option available to the club.
Therefore, if we are forced to enter a competition we did not agree the rules to, why don't we prove all else wrong and win the whole thing. We all know that more airtime is given to winners and those who are successful have a larger voice. Think of all the media build up with players, management, chairman and fans being interviewed on Wembley Way.
it's a standard life analogy, sometimes life isn't fair, you can kick and scream about it or get on with the task in hand. The biggest **** you is to defeat all before you.
For those going, I hope the memories of '96 (Davies Team Selection), '07 (Dave Edwards -gate) 09' (The corner that never was) are somewhat eased by finally winning a game at the Home of Football.
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Post by orribull on Mar 7, 2018 11:42:02 GMT 1
Wembley is overrated
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 12:17:32 GMT 1
Jamo - one question, knowing your joint allegiances with the red side of Manchester, what was your viewpoint on the 2000 FA Cup opt-out? Just keen to see if there are any principles to abide by / make comparisons to in respect to that degradation of a cup competition.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Mar 7, 2018 12:31:57 GMT 1
Rotheram ,Gillingham and , Bristol out numbed us, now lincoln are going to out number us, and While I have no problem with people protesting ( I agree with what their protesting about) Will 99 % of people watching care or know that their is a protest? All most will see is that Shrewsbury fans did not turn out to watch there club in the numbers others do! From now on can we have two treads one for people going and one for the protesters or its just going to be every one falling out like all the other threads lately.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 14:07:11 GMT 1
Agree that fickle fans changing their minds just because it’s at Wembley is deplorable. I’m appalled by that mentality.
Either your for the check a trap or against it but don’t go and change your mind just because it’s a Wembley appearance.
For me the cup that PH won against us in 96 is no longer there, replaced instead by a sell out to premier league under 23’s that has caused it to be cheapened to an irrelevance.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 7, 2018 14:14:47 GMT 1
Put the £100 or so that the ‘day out’ will cost you towards next seasons Championship season ticket
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 14:41:40 GMT 1
An excellent post on a de rigueur topic. . FFS . Can you try for once to take your head out of the English Cambridge dictionary and start using plain English language instead of (in this instance) translated French for a term that is of poor comparison to the post being responded too.
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Post by thesalmon on Mar 7, 2018 15:00:41 GMT 1
Why don't the boycotters go down and protest with a large banner outside the stadium?
No need to go in and watch the game but still kinda shows support for town
Also people who are going to watch the game may also take part in the outside protest?
Could get on TV and in the news and promote the cause more than passive non attendance- even by linking in with other clubs fans who have boycotted.... All meet together and protest?
Granted it's not a very attractive prospect or idea but could be powerful
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Post by blueboy62 on Mar 7, 2018 16:31:23 GMT 1
I will be at Wembley to watch the game but might support a protest outside the stadium. I'm fairly certain in my own mind what I DISLIKE about the Checkatrade Cup. BUT, when Gary Lineker interviews me on live tv in front of an audience of tens of millions 😞 and asks me the question, "And what would you like to see in its place and does everyone in Salop agree"??My reply will be "well, sorry Gary, can I get back to you on that please?"... and then make a hasty retreat. On a more realistic note; does anyone know if alternative formats were suggested that have not been tried before?. Is no competition at all a preferred option for the club or fans. It might be good to get a consensus on what we DO Want as well as what we DONT want.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 16:45:23 GMT 1
An excellent post on a de rigueur topic. . FFS . Can you try for once to take your head out of the English Cambridge dictionary and start using plain English language instead of (in this instance) translated French for a term that is of poor comparison to the post being responded too. It appears Geoff's posting approach is the topic du jour
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 7, 2018 16:47:40 GMT 1
My concern with the boycott is that it is becoming an increasingly ironic lesson in self-flagellation.
Was there some clause people signed to say exactly what, when and how the boycott was to be conducted?
Geoff has pointed some of his angst at me for saying I wanted to take the kids to Wembley but I'm not exactly sure what picket line I've crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 16:54:24 GMT 1
It appears Geoff's posting approach is the topic du jour Consequences Young Phillip..... if you place your head above the parrapit, sure someone will fire at it....
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