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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2018 19:53:00 GMT 1
And if that is how you like your politics then you're welcome to it. Not for me though, thanks. And hopefully that goes for the majority of the good, decent, honest folk of the UK too. You carry on though, fill your boots. Is the braying and shouting not exactly what the government benches do en masse whenever corbyn speaks in parliament? You got to be kidding me?!?! lol Deary me...
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 5, 2018 19:55:13 GMT 1
Couldn't possibly have been a total set up by Brietbart and Grease-Smog. No-one actually knows if those people at the back are left wing people raising concerns about the rise of the far right or whether they were actually paid by someone to make Lord Snooty look like a victim. Awaits proof one way or the other.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2018 20:06:12 GMT 1
The Tory party are still very friendly with terrorist sponsoring countries, but people vote for them. As people did for Labour under Blair and Brown or? Honest question, did they do anything different? Was it different to what we see today?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:09:50 GMT 1
Is the braying and shouting not exactly what the government benches do en masse whenever corbyn speaks in parliament? You got to be kidding me?!?! lol Deary me... [br What exactly is it about some people protesting Rees mogg that you find so upsetting. You seem all for free speech so why are they not allowed theirs. For what it's worth kudos to the member for the 17th century going and speaking to them at the back . Just a shame some goon feels the need to assault a woman.
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Post by WATR on Feb 5, 2018 20:09:55 GMT 1
There's something very odd about that Rees-Mogg video. I mean, there is a fringe of people like that on the libertarian left, but the people in that video look like a caricature of them. It reminds me of some protests where people like that turn up and try to *escalate* things, against the wishes of pretty much everybody else. All a bit suspicious.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2018 20:19:11 GMT 1
You got to be kidding me?!?! lol Deary me... [br What exactly is it about some people protesting Rees mogg that you find so upsetting. You seem all for free speech so why are they not allowed theirs. For what it's worth kudos to the member for the 17th century going and speaking to them at the back . Just a shame some goon feels the need to assault a woman. Please stop with the strawmen. Why do you always do that? Who said I found it upsetting? It's no skin of my nose now is it. I wasn't there and won't be attending such an event any time soon, if ever. I'm just pointing out that this is doing the Tories the world of good. Mogg has come out of that very well. Because people on the left acting like complete prats will do that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:19:29 GMT 1
The Tory party are still very friendly with terrorist sponsoring countries, but people vote for them. As people did for Labour under Blair and Brown or? Honest question, did they do anything different? Was it different to what we see today? I can I just be clear about something. I don't vote Labour in general elections. Anyway, in answer to your question. It's no different, and I'm not sure that I've ever said it is. The OP has a made point with the usual 'look at terrorist supporting Corbyn' without thinking about how our government(s) are happy to get into bed with terrorist sponsoring countries. It's the usual lazy, 'Daily Mail', type nonsense that really has ruined political discourse in the UK and not some student activists.
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 5, 2018 20:35:44 GMT 1
What had the Rees-Mogg kerfuffle got to do with Corbyn?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:36:52 GMT 1
[br What exactly is it about some people protesting Rees mogg that you find so upsetting. You seem all for free speech so why are they not allowed theirs. For what it's worth kudos to the member for the 17th century going and speaking to them at the back . Just a shame some goon feels the need to assault a woman. Please stop with the strawmen. Why do you always do that? Who said I found it upsetting? It's no skin of my nose now is it. I wasn't there and won't be attending such an event any time soon, if ever. I'm just pointing out that this is doing the Tories the world of good. Mogg has come out of that very well. Because people on the left acting like complete prats will do that. Sorry if I am misreading your view. Its just that for something that is 'no skin of my nose' you seem to have leapt in on an entirely unconnected thread about Gerry Adams to bring up this incident involving 'labour momentum types' (please clarify here as I see no labour or momentum insignia on the protesters) protesting at a Rees mogg event marred it seems by a Rees mogg fan assaulting a woman. Your own video shows this quite clearly. Rees Mogg comes out of well yes. Still has some quite horrible views on the world though , and I hope he will continue to be met with (more peaceful) debate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:51:25 GMT 1
I wonder if it's got anything to do with the D.U.P. getting billions to play with for supporting a sham of a government? Don't know but ask the people of Warrington and every other town, village and community lives that scum has ruined! I’m not sure you have any idea what the people of Warrington think about the tragedy that happened 25 years ago there. Perhaps you should go and ask them. From my five years working here, it’s a tragedy that deeply affected many people but the way they responded to it with dignity and friendship is stunning. Maybe your first port of call would be Colin Parry, who campaigned for peace alongside Martin McGuinness, and talks of never forgiving him but growing to like him.
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 5, 2018 21:02:11 GMT 1
Please stop with the strawmen. Why do you always do that? Who said I found it upsetting? It's no skin of my nose now is it. I wasn't there and won't be attending such an event any time soon, if ever. I'm just pointing out that this is doing the Tories the world of good. Mogg has come out of that very well. Because people on the left acting like complete prats will do that. Sorry if I am misreading your view. Its just that for something that is 'no skin of my nose' you seem to have leapt in on an entirely unconnected thread about Gerry Adams to bring up this incident involving 'labour momentum types' (please clarify here as I see no labour or momentum insignia on the protesters) protesting at a Rees mogg event marred it seems by a Rees mogg fan assaulting a woman. Your own video shows this quite clearly. Rees Mogg comes out of well yes. Still has some quite horrible views on the world though , and I hope he will continue to be met with (more peaceful) debate. We have a bizarre situation where this load of nonsense gets far more debate than JRM's voting record. Which, I'd go as far as saying, he doesn't come out of so well.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2018 21:08:18 GMT 1
Please stop with the strawmen. Why do you always do that? Who said I found it upsetting? It's no skin of my nose now is it. I wasn't there and won't be attending such an event any time soon, if ever. I'm just pointing out that this is doing the Tories the world of good. Mogg has come out of that very well. Because people on the left acting like complete prats will do that. Sorry if I am misreading your view. Its just that for something that is 'no skin of my nose' you seem to have leapt in on an entirely unconnected thread about Gerry Adams to bring up this incident involving 'labour momentum types' (please clarify here as I see no labour or momentum insignia on the protesters) protesting at a Rees mogg event marred it seems by a Rees mogg fan assaulting a woman. Your own video shows this quite clearly. Rees Mogg comes out of well yes. Still has some quite horrible views on the world though , and I hope he will continue to be met with (more peaceful) debate. Eh? For a start off the thread wasn't just about Adams. It was about Corbyn becoming prime minister wasn't it? I made a comment that I can't see Corbyn being PM any time soon. Another poster mentioned it could happen and within that time Mogg might be leading the Tories. I suggested that might just be plausible because even the left are making him look good at the moment (as you admit yourself). The poster then replied questioning what happened at Bristol Uni. And here we are. I'm sure you'll be disappointed to know that I wasn't the first to bring Mogg into the discussion. I think the one chap has had his social media published and it goes on to suggest support for Momentum and Labour. The chaps at the back, well they are antifacists so I'm edging my bets they'll be voting Labour too. May be wrong but I'll stick my neck out.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 5, 2018 21:36:40 GMT 1
So why not involve the police and let them investigate then? If the papers are to be believed all the evidence is there to gather enough evidence for an assult charge? When asked to give a statement to Police he apparently refused. Rees Mogg has met with the Britbart team on regular occasions (they were filming the event last week) and Steve Bannon is well known for these kind of set up's from the USA. Funny how this week after the negative economic news about Brixit Rees Mogg gets caught up in this incident and then ramps up the allegations about corruption in the civil service. Almost as though he is after a bit of publicity to get his campaign going. No doubt there are some nutters and nasty people in Momentium, but they are just as helpful to Mogg and the Daily Mail as they are the left. Always worth keeping that in mind when reading the press reports on these kinds of incidents. Politics is getting very grubby in the UK Who was assaulted? I've not seen anything to suggest Mogg was assaulted. So why would he look to press assault changes if he wasn't assaulted. He just said there was a bit of a push and shove and some choice words said. Which is what he thought had happened. I followed the link you gave and was looking to hear the sound. So checked the Britbart website and was able to watch the whole video... So it looks pretty clear Mogg wasn't assaulted. And however way you want to look at it, it doesn't look well on those who tried to disrupt the event. And whilst the chap in the white shirt clearly loses his patience first, by the end of the video he isn't the only one who is getting physical with those who tried to disrupt the speech. In the end a number of those attending are trying to force them out the door. Whether he was there to crank things up I have no idea but considering the embarrassing behavior of those looking to disrupt the event I'd question whether he needed to anyhow. They're not there to discuss or debate, just act like idiots. Whether people like it or not, these people and their actions are now associated with the left, Labour and Momentum. Indeed, when you read recent comments from Claire Kober it would suggest this sort of thing isn't something only to be found on the fringes of the Labour party. And you are right about things getting grubby. Can't believe some of the stuff written on that site you linked to in the comments section. Blimey. People got hit in front of Mogg. If someone was hit in front of you wouldn’t you want to give a statement to the Police about it? Instead Mogg laughs it off as a bit of a scuffle So we’re supposed to believe that everyone is so distressed and shocked about the behaviour of the protestors, but no one is willing to give a statement about it to the police. But quite happy to blame the left for it all - just seems a bit odd to me
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2018 21:52:17 GMT 1
Who was assaulted? I've not seen anything to suggest Mogg was assaulted. So why would he look to press assault changes if he wasn't assaulted. He just said there was a bit of a push and shove and some choice words said. Which is what he thought had happened. I followed the link you gave and was looking to hear the sound. So checked the Britbart website and was able to watch the whole video... So it looks pretty clear Mogg wasn't assaulted. And however way you want to look at it, it doesn't look well on those who tried to disrupt the event. And whilst the chap in the white shirt clearly loses his patience first, by the end of the video he isn't the only one who is getting physical with those who tried to disrupt the speech. In the end a number of those attending are trying to force them out the door. Whether he was there to crank things up I have no idea but considering the embarrassing behavior of those looking to disrupt the event I'd question whether he needed to anyhow. They're not there to discuss or debate, just act like idiots. Whether people like it or not, these people and their actions are now associated with the left, Labour and Momentum. Indeed, when you read recent comments from Claire Kober it would suggest this sort of thing isn't something only to be found on the fringes of the Labour party. And you are right about things getting grubby. Can't believe some of the stuff written on that site you linked to in the comments section. Blimey. People got hit in front of Mogg. If someone was hit in front of you wouldn’t you want to give a statement to the Police about it? Instead Mogg laughs it off as a bit of a scuffle So we’re supposed to believe that everyone is so distressed and shocked about the behaviour of the protestors, but no one is willing to give a statement about it to the police. But quite happy to blame the left for it all - just seems a bit odd to me Not sure he laughed it off did he? I thought he just said there was shoving and pushing. Which I gather is what he thought happened, what he saw. If anyone was assaulted then surely it would be up to them to report it to the police. Why would that be on Mogg? More so if he didn't see anyone being assaulted? As far as I am aware the only person who contacted the police was someone who was struck by why of those people who tried to disrupt the event when others were trying to get them out of the door. Perhaps they were distressed and shocked but others? I don't get that. I just get the impression from the video that people were just fed up at their behavior and wanted them out. Where do you get distressed and shocked?
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Post by mattmw on Feb 5, 2018 22:31:18 GMT 1
People got hit in front of Mogg. If someone was hit in front of you wouldn’t you want to give a statement to the Police about it? Instead Mogg laughs it off as a bit of a scuffle So we’re supposed to believe that everyone is so distressed and shocked about the behaviour of the protestors, but no one is willing to give a statement about it to the police. But quite happy to blame the left for it all - just seems a bit odd to me Not sure he laughed it off did he? I thought he just said there was shoving and pushing. Which I gather is what he thought happened, what he saw. If anyone was assaulted then surely it would be up to them to report it to the police. Why would that be on Mogg? More so if he didn't see anyone being assaulted? As far as I am aware the only person who contacted the police was someone who was struck by why of those people who tried to disrupt the event when others were trying to get them out of the door. Perhaps they were distressed and shocked but others? I don't get that. I just get the impression from the video that people were just fed up at their behavior and wanted them out. Where do you get distressed and shocked? Well the whole of the press seem to be reporting it as an a front to free speech and shocking behaviour by the left, and so would expect Mogg and his bouncers to be rushing to give the Police their statements. Brandon Lewis was so upset he suggested on Sunday introducing a new law to stop such behaviour. Video clearly shows two people getting hit right in front of Mogg but ask him or his minders to to stand up and actually do something about it and it all gets laughed off. The two things don’t match up Add in this week that a government minister stood up in parliament this week and accused the civil service of manipulating reports, unheard of by a minister, and the whole establishment seems to be loosing it big time
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Post by salop27 on Feb 5, 2018 22:43:18 GMT 1
Fake news alert. Mogg didn't have a bodyguard at the event or a bouncer.
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Post by mattmw on Feb 5, 2018 23:09:49 GMT 1
Fake news alert. Mogg didn't have a bodyguard at the event or a bouncer. Yes quite right, Paul Towsley just happened to be there along with the team of Breitbart camera crew and journalists. I'm sure they all regularly attend the Bristol Students union on a Thursday night, and appologise for any offence caused to the nice Mr Mogg Nothing to see here move on everyone
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 5, 2018 23:18:54 GMT 1
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Post by salop27 on Feb 6, 2018 0:16:18 GMT 1
Fake news alert. Mogg didn't have a bodyguard at the event or a bouncer. Yes quite right, Paul Towsley just happened to be there along with the team of Breitbart camera crew and journalists. I'm sure they all regularly attend the Bristol Students union on a Thursday night, and appologise for any offence caused to the nice Mr Mogg Nothing to see here move on everyone Indeed. The no bodyguard line is from social media today posted by the right honourable Jacob Rees Mogg himself. He is a politician though so could be lying but politicians don't do that kind of thing do they? Student debt cancelled anyone...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 6, 2018 7:29:43 GMT 1
Not sure he laughed it off did he? I thought he just said there was shoving and pushing. Which I gather is what he thought happened, what he saw. If anyone was assaulted then surely it would be up to them to report it to the police. Why would that be on Mogg? More so if he didn't see anyone being assaulted? As far as I am aware the only person who contacted the police was someone who was struck by why of those people who tried to disrupt the event when others were trying to get them out of the door. Perhaps they were distressed and shocked but others? I don't get that. I just get the impression from the video that people were just fed up at their behavior and wanted them out. Where do you get distressed and shocked? Well the whole of the press seem to be reporting it as an a front to free speech and shocking behaviour by the left, and so would expect Mogg and his bouncers to be rushing to give the Police their statements. Brandon Lewis was so upset he suggested on Sunday introducing a new law to stop such behaviour. Video clearly shows two people getting hit right in front of Mogg but ask him or his minders to to stand up and actually do something about it and it all gets laughed off. The two things don’t match up Add in this week that a government minister stood up in parliament this week and accused the civil service of manipulating reports, unheard of by a minister, and the whole establishment seems to be loosing it big time Why would you expect Mogg to do that based on how the press reported it? They're not one in the same. Mogg has already stated he saw it as just pushing and shoving with a lot of shouting (or something along those lines). Mogg isn't Brandon Lewis, he's not required to think the same as him on this. People will have different opinions on this. That's perfectly normal and expected. And you again use the term "laughed off", what are you looking at or hearing to say that? That Mogg laughed it off? It is quite plausible that Mogg saw nothing more than shoving and pushing, heard a lot of shouting and nothing else. That is what he has said happened. The one women said she was punched, if she was punched then she should report that to the police. Just as the other person has done who was struck by one of the protestors. And then hopefully anyone who did punch anyone will be rightly punished by the law. Just to add, I took Neil's post above as very much tongue firmly in cheek but having a look it does seem that people are really questioning whether these people at the back who were there to disrupt the event were a set up. Yet we know that a local Bristol antifascist group posted on their Facebook page that it was they who turned up and tried to disrupt the event. Now unless that Facebook account is fake then I think it is pretty clear who it was. More on this in the Guardain... Labour (and students) must not get sucked into a campus culture war ...the author is right, it plays right into the hands of the Tories. Mogg has come out of this very well. The comments BTL are decent reading too. One of the first posts mentions this "I think it makes the left look toxic". I think they have that spot on. That Skwawkbox looks a cracking little site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 18:25:46 GMT 1
I noticed today that despite all their problems, the latest UK opinion polls give the Tories a 4 point lead over Labour.
Given how unpopular the government is supposed to be the fact that Labour is behind doesn't make good reading for Mr Corbyn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 18:59:20 GMT 1
I noticed today that despite all their problems, the latest UK opinion polls give the Tories a 4 point lead over Labour. Given how unpopular the government is supposed to be the fact that Labour is behind doesn't make good reading for Mr Corbyn. Nobody really believes polls anymore though. The question is, who commissioned the research and how was the poll question worded. It's common knowledge that they start with the result they want and write questions worded to lead to that result. The other factors are who was asked and how many people were questioned, were they self selecting and were they paid for their time spent answering. None of this is ever covered, just the cherry picked answer. All parties do this, as do companies who want to manipulate peoples opinions to sell stuff to them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 19:11:49 GMT 1
I noticed today that despite all their problems, the latest UK opinion polls give the Tories a 4 point lead over Labour. Given how unpopular the government is supposed to be the fact that Labour is behind doesn't make good reading for Mr Corbyn. Nobody really believes polls anymore though. The question is, who commissioned the research and how was the poll question worded. It's common knowledge that they start with the result they want and write questions worded to lead to that result. The other factors are who was asked and how many people were questioned, were they self selecting and were they paid for their time spent answering. None of this is ever covered, just the cherry picked answer. All parties do this, as do companies who want to manipulate peoples opinions to sell stuff to them. What I was looking at.... ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 20:22:33 GMT 1
Nobody really believes polls anymore though. The question is, who commissioned the research and how was the poll question worded. It's common knowledge that they start with the result they want and write questions worded to lead to that result. The other factors are who was asked and how many people were questioned, were they self selecting and were they paid for their time spent answering. None of this is ever covered, just the cherry picked answer. All parties do this, as do companies who want to manipulate peoples opinions to sell stuff to them. What I was looking at.... ukpollingreport.co.uk/So many on that page with different results almost daily. A conservative would point at that latest one and a labour voter would point toward the prevailing chart on the side that shows that steady growth from labour. Plenty on that page for every party to cherry pick. I guess we know which you are....
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 11, 2018 20:54:19 GMT 1
apart from the post war labour government has any political party once in power inspired any confidence ? personally i dont trust any of the politicians to do anything to improve the messs this country has been in for some time
considering the complete mess this goverment has made of everything they have touched can Corbyn be any worse?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 20:59:00 GMT 1
So many on that page with different results almost daily. A conservative would point at that latest one and a labour voter would point toward the prevailing chart on the side that shows that steady growth from labour. Plenty on that page for every party to cherry pick. I guess we know which you are.... Go on then, I dare you, have a guess 😉
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 11, 2018 22:23:40 GMT 1
If a General Election were to be held at the end of this year, there is a good chance that the Tory party will have split into two irreparable parts, neither of which could win power if Tory and ex-Tory stand against each other in a large number of seats. Although I would like to see a Labout government, it is important to have a strong, credible opposition.
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Post by Valerioch on Feb 11, 2018 22:28:49 GMT 1
Great to see the left wing extremists have dropped 3 points behind in latest polls
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Post by WATR on Feb 11, 2018 22:36:04 GMT 1
Great to see the left wing extremists have dropped 3 points behind in latest polls Pretty crass comment to make given a right-wing extremist murdered a Labour MP barely 18 months ago.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 12, 2018 10:54:30 GMT 1
I don't think the suspension of Jennifer James (and everything that surrounds that) should be underestimated in this, when looking to this recent swing apparently it is women who are making up a significant number who are starting to turn away from the Labour party. Just one thing in a number which I suspect could be turning people away, mind.
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