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Post by venceremos on Oct 18, 2017 15:50:50 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41650536Telling result that - £1.35m profit for Burton from being in the Championship - and chances of a similar outcome this year. Even if they were to be relegated this season, and they're still scrapping well, Burton would have a lot more financial clout in League 1 than they had last time they were there.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 18, 2017 16:40:07 GMT 1
Interesting, with an average home attendance of 5000 plus would have expected them to make a loss.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 18, 2017 16:56:31 GMT 1
I seem to remember either Brian Caldwell or Matt Williams, saying that promotion to the Championship would be worth £8million. I know that the money fed down from the Premier League is heavily loaded in favour of Championship clubs - they get to share 80% of the pot, compared to L1 (12%) and L2 (8%).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 6:53:43 GMT 1
I seem to remember either Brian Caldwell or Matt Williams, saying that promotion to the Championship would be worth £8million. I know that the money fed down from the Premier League is heavily loaded in favour of Championship clubs - they get to share 80% of the pot, compared to L1 (12%) and L2 (8%). I have said it before and I'll say it again, that split is disgusting and the EFL should be ashamed.
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Post by mrbunny on Oct 19, 2017 8:37:44 GMT 1
Anybody who has played the Football Manager game knows the tv money goes up loads in the Championship compared to League 1 and 2. It really is shocking that sides at that level get so much, not had it for a few years but it bound to have gone up since with the new deals.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2017 10:07:11 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41650536Telling result that - £1.35m profit for Burton from being in the Championship - and chances of a similar outcome this year. Even if they were to be relegated this season, and they're still scr@pping well, Burton would have a lot more financial clout in League 1 than they had last time they were there. that should be the way it works where it goes wrong is when they dont go back up and are still paying higher league wages many sides a hell of a lot bigger than burton have fallen into that category interesting is the fact the parachute payments are partly made by those gaining promotion who have to pay £21333
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Post by TheFoz on Oct 19, 2017 15:27:22 GMT 1
I seem to remember either Brian Caldwell or Matt Williams, saying that promotion to the Championship would be worth £8million. I know that the money fed down from the Premier League is heavily loaded in favour of Championship clubs - they get to share 80% of the pot, compared to L1 (12%) and L2 (8%). I have said it before and I'll say it again, that split is disgusting and the EFL should be ashamed. Always the smaller clubs getting screwed over. If L1 and L2 got a lot more money, say in the form of grants for the academies, they could produce better players which improves the quality at all levels on the pyramid plus the national team. If you look at the England squad, I make it 19 out of 23 playing for a lower league team before playing in the Premier League. Instead of actively trying to help smaller clubs, they introduce EPP which makes things even harder as we can now lose the next Messi for a few grand.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 19, 2017 15:35:29 GMT 1
Once again, evidence that Burton is an extremely well-run club.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 22, 2017 11:34:15 GMT 1
Does anyone know if this £8 million championship money is a one off or each season. I have tried Googling an answer and can only find mention of money for premiership clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 12:11:23 GMT 1
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Post by shrewder on Oct 22, 2017 12:31:59 GMT 1
Not exactly Championship Gold for teams like Shrewsbury.
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Post by Dale on Oct 22, 2017 12:38:15 GMT 1
Burton are a very well run club, run by a chairman (Ben Robinson) who I think has been there even longer than RW has been here, think he gave Neil Warnock his first managerial job there back in the early 1980's! Only problem Burton will face is that they will have to redevelop three sides of the Pirelli into 10,000 seats if they are still in the Championship by the 2019/20 season.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 22, 2017 13:15:02 GMT 1
Still doesn't answer wherein the £8 million comes from that was quoted earlier in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 13:32:28 GMT 1
Still doesn't answer wherein the £8 million comes from that was quoted earlier in this thread. It pretty much does. A basic award of £2.048 million just for being in the Championship (every season), £4.3 million given to each Championship team by the Prem (every season) and then £100k TV money for each home game plus 10k for each away live game. In Villa's case that added up to £6.9 million, in Newcastle's case it added up to £7.1 million. Then you add in increased revenue through sponsorship and gate money and it's going to be pushing nearly £8 million for us.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 22, 2017 14:01:37 GMT 1
Still doesn't answer wherein the £8 million comes from that was quoted earlier in this thread. It pretty much does. A basic award of £2.048 million just for being in the Championship (every season), £4.3 million given to each Championship team by the Prem (every season) and then £100k TV money for each home game plus 10k for each away live game. In Villa's case that added up to £6.9 million, in Newcastle's case it added up to £7.1 million. Then you add in increased revenue through sponsorship and gate money and it's going to be pushing nearly £8 million for us. Ok thanks. That makes sense.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Oct 22, 2017 23:11:09 GMT 1
I read it the £4.3 m paid by the prem was only a one off payment, so only the first year?
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Post by shrewder on Oct 23, 2017 8:46:13 GMT 1
Guess that gives newly promoted clubs a bit of a lifeline to survive the first season. After that it is obviously then a struggle for smaller clubs.
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Post by vanner on Oct 23, 2017 10:05:37 GMT 1
I wonder if we’ll increase the capacity in the summer if we were to go up? I can’t imagine any side in the championship wouldn’t sell out their allocation..
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Post by calimero on Oct 23, 2017 10:13:43 GMT 1
I wonder if we’ll increase the capacity in the summer if we were to go up? I can’t imagine any side in the championship wouldn’t sell out their allocation.. No point in even considering doing that until / if we are regularly getting crowds of 9000+. So no, I am 99.99% that we would not do that.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2017 10:19:57 GMT 1
I wonder if we’ll increase the capacity in the summer if we were to go up? I can’t imagine any side in the championship wouldn’t sell out their allocation.. No point in even considering doing that until / if we are regularly getting crowds of 9000+. So no, I am 99.99% that we would not do that. This is difficult, the vast majority of teams would bring 3,000 to town with us being centrally located, but we don't fill our home end. Catch 22, lose revenue from away fans.
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Post by bordersalopian on Oct 23, 2017 10:26:44 GMT 1
I wonder if we’ll increase the capacity in the summer if we were to go up? I can’t imagine any side in the championship wouldn’t sell out their allocation.. No point in even considering doing that until / if we are regularly getting crowds of 9000+. So no, I am 99.99% that we would not do that. Although if we were to increase capacity, I'd imagine filling the corners in between the East/South/West Stands would be the preferred option (I'd estimate an increase in capacity to just below 11000 as a result) - however I can't see it happening until we are playing Championship football, and even then if we are in our second season in the 2nd tier. The MWM was built with the view that extending the capacity wouldn't be unachievable - the cantilever design enables any extension to be added to the top of the West or East Stand.
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Post by calimero on Oct 23, 2017 11:35:12 GMT 1
No point in even considering doing that until / if we are regularly getting crowds of 9000+. So no, I am 99.99% that we would not do that. This is difficult, the vast majority of teams would bring 3,000 to town with us being centrally located, but we don't fill our home end. Catch 22, lose revenue from away fans. The extra revenue from one season in the Championship would have to be greater than the build cost though. No guarantee we would have need for the extra seating after one season, in which case it would be done at a loss. Therefore, unless a vanity project, I would imagine any expansion would be dependent on us establishing ourselves in the second tier.
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Post by vanner on Oct 23, 2017 12:41:15 GMT 1
This is difficult, the vast majority of teams would bring 3,000 to town with us being centrally located, but we don't fill our home end. Catch 22, lose revenue from away fans. The extra revenue from one season in the Championship would have to be greater than the build cost though. No guarantee we would have need for the extra seating after one season, in which case it would be done at a loss. Therefore, unless a vanity project, I would imagine any expansion would be dependent on us establishing ourselves in the second tier. I'm referring more to away fans, not home fans. It would be foolish from a financial point of view to ignore such potential income. However, it must be considered that we could lose a bit of home advantage if every club was bringing 3000 fans and we only had 6000 home fans. The extra revenue from one season in the championship is a short term way of looking at it too. Already in League One this season 2 clubs have sold out the away end (albeit they're the 2 'biggest' clubs in the division). We still have Walsall who could sell out too. That's lost income too. Not to mention potential cup games further down the line. Over the past 5/6 seasons the away end has probably sold out a dozen times. That's a lot of lost income.
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Post by calimero on Oct 23, 2017 12:46:37 GMT 1
The extra revenue from one season in the Championship would have to be greater than the build cost though. No guarantee we would have need for the extra seating after one season, in which case it would be done at a loss. Therefore, unless a vanity project, I would imagine any expansion would be dependent on us establishing ourselves in the second tier. I'm referring more to away fans, not home fans. It would be foolish from a financial point of view to ignore such potential income. However, it must be considered that we could lose a bit of home advantage if every club was bringing 3000 fans and we only had 6000 home fans. The extra revenue from one season in the championship is a short term way of looking at it too. Already in League One this season 2 clubs have sold out the away end (albeit they're the 2 'biggest' clubs in the division). We still have Walsall who could sell out too. That's lost income too. Not to mention potential cup games further down the line. Over the past 5/6 seasons the away end has probably sold out a dozen times. That's a lot of lost income. Yes I know you were referring to away fans but there is no point spending a large amount on a new building project if you have space to accomodate extra away fans in - for instance, not getting into the rights and wrongs of it - blocks 1&2. So I am not being myopic, quite the opposite - I am suggesting anything other than being financially worthwhile long term makes it a non-starter.
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