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Post by asimpson99 on Aug 15, 2017 9:55:14 GMT 1
Just looking at the fundraiser now - only 304 backers. Think we sell around 3000 season tickets, so that suggests that just over a tenth of them have contributed (without factoring in support from other clubs which will lower that).
If i'm being honest, at the moment the total is disappointing. I went to the launch of it, and Tifosy gave the impression that we'd easily smash the target and go beyond it. Why have we not seen the huge uptake we were seemingly told to expect?
From our home fans, is it that our average age is higher, so they may not want to donate online and would prefer to do it by cheque/cash. Or is it actually not that popular an idea With the majority of town fans - but its only those with an online presence who made their opinions known, swaying the support? Or do they support it, but think it should be the club funding it?
At the launch, we were also told about the wider football community wanting to get involved, being told that the FSF's 50,000 strong mailing list would all be sent an email about it. You'd imagine a large majority of the FSF membership would want safe standing, so how come that the total raised from them is comparatively (reach of emails to number of contributors) low.
Is there not enough things that they want to bid on? As we have EFL support, surely it'd be worth asking if every EFL club could donate a signed shirt to the campaign and getting them to advertise their shirt auction.
Do they not want to back it as it's not their team, and they'd rather spend the money on fundraising safe standing/another campaign at their club?
I'm probably just panicking and everything's going to be fine, but I do think there's some interesting points to be raised, especially about how we have advertised the campaign. Since the launch, I can't recall seeing any twitter account with a large amount of followers (aside from the ones directly involved in the campaign) tweeting about it. Maybe that's just based on who I follow, but it seems to be awfully quiet on there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:39:52 GMT 1
Not sure how feasible it would be but could there be a pop-up fundraising location at the stadium on matchdays where people could sign-up/ pledge their donations? It's a good point about there being 3,000 STH but I suspect online efforts only reach a relatively small percentage.
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Post by trojanskin on Aug 16, 2017 10:10:02 GMT 1
Can I ask a silly question, but why are we fundraising. Why aren't the club paying for this, or at least a good percentage??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 12:47:11 GMT 1
Can I ask a silly question, but why are we fundraising. Why aren't the club paying for this, or at least a good percentage?? A good question...
I think the answer is that this has been a fan base initiative by the SP, mainly through the groundwork of Mike and Roger, and the club have backed it at a later date.
I am sure Mike or Roger will give a detailed answer.
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Post by Dale on Aug 16, 2017 13:04:52 GMT 1
Can I ask a silly question, but why are we fundraising. Why aren't the club paying for this, or at least a good percentage?? I do wonder what will be used with the Lidl money?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 13:31:26 GMT 1
Loving the positivity...... Tifosy are working on stuff all the time both for our fans and as you have seen today fans from around the country. From feedback we have had the project has started very positively and all we can ask is that everyone plugs the project, tells friends, promotes it among their businesses etc. If you want to offer a reward for crowd funding or your business does please pm me, also if you have any ideas we can run with as fans again please get in touch. We aren't even discussing not raising the money, this takes as long as it takes but ideally we want to get there asap. We haven't yet approached any club sponsors or businesses who support the club as Richard has left and Andy is away until this week. Like I say all we ask is fans get out there push on other message boards and do what they can to help us get there. Cheers Mike o What are your current thoughts? I sent Tifosy an email a few days ago and still no response. A third of the way through campaign and not even 20% of the target raised yet which is a bit of a concern to most I would think?
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Post by bellevuesalopian on Aug 16, 2017 13:40:55 GMT 1
Its no wonder its slow if you look at the positivity from some of the fans above!, its enough to put anyone off supporting it. This is something we should all be shouting about and getting people to get involved in, instead we are picking holes and berating those involved. If it fails it will be down to one thing and thats us the fans for not supporting it well enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:14:22 GMT 1
Contributed 30 getting a signed ball and being signed still hasn't arrived just wondering I got Nolan to sign it but it's been that long I'm just wondering if Jon nonlan is off on holiday or are the balls coming from China
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Post by suttonshrew on Aug 16, 2017 15:21:43 GMT 1
pm me your email Rob and ill try and answer your questions. The guys at Tifosy and all those who have been involved are busy working on new rewards and ideas daily. We have a few ideas we want to do but they all take time and effort to arrange. My thoughts are..... we have all worked tirelessly on this (you wouldn't believe how much time both Rog and i have put in in the last 6 months). We were told different rewards work for different clubs and it would take some time to find out what works best for us, couple that with the fact we haven't approached any of the clubs corporate partners yet due to Richard leaving and Andy being away and we do have some catching up to do.
Im confident we can do it and will do everything i can personally to achieve it, all we ask is supporters to do the same, negative comments don't help, if we want this its going to be a full on effort from our fans that will achieve it......
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Post by wiseone on Aug 16, 2017 18:12:39 GMT 1
Two quick questions / suggestions.
It would be good that in the case where any rewards have a limit in regards the number of purchases this is staffed . I notice the offer with the stand magazine is sold out , and signed shirt are closed - will this happen with other rewards.
I knew we have also been posting about this on social media but are there any pdfs we could print off and leave at work places?
In regards the stand magazine. Will we receive a notification about when it is available, not that I am great at getting round to reading this online.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 16, 2017 23:51:08 GMT 1
Been keeping tabs on this.
On Wednesday August 2nd we had raised £7,015 Now 2 weeks later today we have raised £14,493
An average of £534 a day since the first 2 days when everybody flocked to donate to start off with. With 27 days to go if we continue that average we won't even raise £30,000 by the deadline. I'd expect there to be a bit more of a push the last couple of days but this would have to be very substantial. Realistically I think we're up against it here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 9:09:49 GMT 1
Only 348 have donated out of a hardcore fan base of 4,000, that is embarrassing and a let down to Mike and Roger for the effort made by them so far in their own time. There is an option to donate what you can afford so there is no excuse to not donate even a couple of quid if money is tight and you actually support Safestanding. As things stand 348 suggests our fans are not really bothered, I don't believe that.
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Post by rylehu on Aug 17, 2017 9:12:48 GMT 1
I still think there's a case for bucket shakers outside the club. If every passing person on a match day threw in a quid that's roughly £5k straight away!
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Post by mattmw on Aug 17, 2017 9:52:28 GMT 1
Only 348 have donated out of a hardcore fan base of 4,000, that is embarrassing and a let down to Mike and Roger for the effort made by them so far in their own time. There is an option to donate what you can afford so there is no excuse to not donate even a couple of quid if money is tight and you actually support Safestanding. As things stand 348 suggests our fans are not really bothered, I don't believe that. Think it's wrong to say the lack of donations in anyway suggests fans don't appreciate the work done by Mike and Roger and other volunteers. It's clear a lot of fantastic work has been done and that's very much appreciated and the project would have got off the ground without it Mine, and I suspect others, issue is the club passing the buck on this to the fans to sort out. The club turns over about 4 million a year, has cash in the bank, employs chief execs, marketing and media managers and owns the ground where the safe standing will be located, and if successful will benefit financially from the project. So why are they not leading on this and contributing Are the FA and Football league giving financial support on the back of the biggest ever tv deals? Doesn't look like it? The Taylor report after Hillsborough clearly stated ground improvements should be paid for by clubs and football authorities. That seems the only sustainable way safe standing can be delivered. Top marks for fans for trying to make this happen but to get it working it's really time the club and football authorities the lead financially and organisationally. Until they do my suspicion is this is all being set up to fail and the safe standing campaign can be left to wither on the vine
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Post by rylehu on Aug 17, 2017 9:55:09 GMT 1
Can we see the club stepping in at the very end to make up any short fall?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 11:30:51 GMT 1
Only 348 have donated out of a hardcore fan base of 4,000, that is embarrassing and a let down to Mike and Roger for the effort made by them so far in their own time. There is an option to donate what you can afford so there is no excuse to not donate even a couple of quid if money is tight and you actually support Safestanding. As things stand 348 suggests our fans are not really bothered, I don't believe that. Think it's wrong to say the lack of donations in anyway suggests fans don't appreciate the work done by Mike and Roger and other volunteers. It's clear a lot of fantastic work has been done and that's very much appreciated and the project would have got off the ground without it Mine, and I suspect others, issue is the club passing the buck on this to the fans to sort out. The club turns over about 4 million a year, has cash in the bank, employs chief execs, marketing and media managers and owns the ground where the safe standing will be located, and if successful will benefit financially from the project. So why are they not leading on this and contributing Are the FA and Football league giving financial support on the back of the biggest ever tv deals? Doesn't look like it? The Taylor report after Hillsborough clearly stated ground improvements should be paid for by clubs and football authorities. That seems the only sustainable way safe standing can be delivered. Top marks for fans for trying to make this happen but to get it working it's really time the club and football authorities the lead financially and organisationally. Until they do my suspicion is this is all being set up to fail and the safe standing campaign can be left to wither on the vine
I personally hope thousands more supporters contribute. It would be a significant shot in the arm to the campaign, the funds needed, and to prove to clubs (not just ours, but to the whole of the football league and beyond) that supporters are massively behind safe standing.
The work Mike and Roger and others behind the scenes have put into this and other causes for STFC demonstrates we have some amazing people in the fan base and I hope the open dialogue between the SP and the club continues to build on its successes in the past year or two. Us fans who don't put as much time into the club as the likes of Mike and Roger owe huge thanks - they both are great examples of how supporters have the ability to make things better - great effort guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 11:38:15 GMT 1
Can we see the club stepping in at the very end to make up any short fall? The Board will comprehend that our supporters are not that bothered if it happens or not? I don't think money is the issue if the club don't contribute but again I will leave Mike or Roger to answer that question!
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Post by wiseone on Aug 17, 2017 15:45:54 GMT 1
It would be interesting to see how many bids the Man It's shirt has. I posted on a couple of Man Utd sites about the auction last night and will do a few more later if I have time. They were not the most engaging bunch tho.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 22:19:59 GMT 1
There are plenty of pro-standing patriots who are yet to donate - myself included. Will get on this ASAP.
Keep up the good fight, chaps. We are with you 100%.
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Post by keithb123 on Aug 18, 2017 8:59:01 GMT 1
Just over £14.6K raised with only 25 days to go. Is this scheme the same as crowd funding whereby if you don't reach the target you don't get the funds? Does anyone know if the Chairman has / will contribute?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 11:43:15 GMT 1
Just over £14.6K raised with only 25 days to go. Is this scheme the same as crowd funding whereby if you don't reach the target you don't get the funds? Does anyone know if the Chairman has / will contribute? I assume you intend to contribute or is there an argument out there with fans that they think the club should pay so will not support the fundraising?
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Post by suttonshrew on Aug 18, 2017 12:00:05 GMT 1
Every £10 matters, every £1 matters. If the fans want this we have to make it happen
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Post by wiseone on Aug 18, 2017 12:15:25 GMT 1
Almost 30 new donations over the last 2 days. Admittedly most of them are small (less than £10 on average) but it all adds up.
If we promote the Dortmund tickets and signed shirts hopefully we can build up some momentum.
Out of interest are we due to get any 'rewards' from other clubs? What about the other clubs who are interested in safe standing or even as a long shot Celtic?
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Post by mattmw on Aug 18, 2017 15:39:51 GMT 1
Every £10 matters, every £1 matters. If the fans want this we have to make it happen So is this confirmation no funding what so ever is coming from the club? If so find that very disappointing on their behalf. Really think they are letting you guys down massively on this
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Post by wiseone on Aug 18, 2017 17:33:46 GMT 1
Every £10 matters, every £1 matters. If the fans want this we have to make it happen So is this confirmation no funding what so ever is coming from the club? If so find that very disappointing on their behalf. Really think they are letting you guys down massively on this From the outside looking in (I am on the outside as well) that is a bit of a jump to make that conclusion. To me it looks like the club are currently supporting the concept of safe standing and crowd funding. By making a statement that they will cover the shortfall (to me) it may discourage external contributions. It is important to remember that the club are donating time and energy to this. They are risking upsetting fans due to the need to move from parts of the grounds and most of the 'rewards /prizes' come from the club. I would hope that the club will contribute if the amount raised is short, but let's let Tifosy manage this. I would also rather the club spent it's money elsewhere to make the experience of attending games better. There may be another thread somewhere about this
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Post by mattmw on Aug 18, 2017 18:20:46 GMT 1
So is this confirmation no funding what so ever is coming from the club? If so find that very disappointing on their behalf. Really think they are letting you guys down massively on this From the outside looking in (I am on the outside as well) that is a bit of a jump to make that conclusion. To me it looks like the club are currently supporting the concept of safe standing and crowd funding. By making a statement that they will cover the shortfall (to me) it may discourage external contributions. It is important to remember that the club are donating time and energy to this. They are risking upsetting fans due to the need to move from parts of the grounds and most of the 'rewards /prizes' come from the club. I would hope that the club will contribute if the amount raised is short, but let's let Tifosy manage this. I would also rather the club spent it's money elsewhere to make the experience of attending games better. There may be another thread somewhere about this But the club aren't really donating that much are they? They have a chief exec, marketing and media manager all paid to work and promote the club, yet it's left to fans to do all the leg work, raise funds, promote the scheme and work with Tifosy on the project. We won't see club staff out with the collection buckets on Saturday The latest club accounts show considerable cash on the balance sheet; they club owns the ground, will benefit financially from the project in both the long and short term so could fund the project on Monday if they so wished. Even a loan or share offer would show this to be a genuine partnership. Know this sounds very cynical but a number of us have been burned by the club like this before - you put in lots of work end effort and the club makes lots of promises but rarely backed up by actions. Hope this is different but the clubs hands off approach raises big concerns about their ultimate motives behind this
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Post by PorthillShrew on Aug 18, 2017 18:55:14 GMT 1
I have contributed some money already and may go back and donate some more at the beginning of September.
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Post by wiseone on Aug 18, 2017 19:15:26 GMT 1
The latest club accounts show considerable cash on the balance sheet; they club owns the ground, will benefit financially from the project in both the long and short term Know this sounds very cynical but a number of us have been burned by the club like this before - . There is a lot to be cynical about in regards the past joint ventures between fans and the club , especially from the reports of how the club conducts itself. In this case if (and I would hope this was the case) the project was put forward to the club as being financed by crowd funding then that is the approach that should be taken. The club has cash reserves which could cover this - but to be honest it would be way down on my list of priorities. I doubt the club will be really financially benefiting from this. They are making changes to the ground which are not required - so while the work they are doing is being paid for through the crowd funding it is not planned or even a required expenditure. In the long term I cannot see the number coming through the gates as increasingly dramatically - and as mentioned they are disrupting existing fans in this process. The club should concentrate using their reserves providing the basics and then more fans will attend rather than being put off. This is especially the case for women and children (see other threads :thumbdown:
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Post by keithb123 on Aug 18, 2017 22:47:23 GMT 1
Just over £14.6K raised with only 25 days to go. Is this scheme the same as crowd funding whereby if you don't reach the target you don't get the funds? Does anyone know if the Chairman has / will contribute? I assume you intend to contribute or is there an argument out there with fans that they think the club should pay so will not support the fundraising? You don't need to assume anything... I have already contributed. My question was a valid one. What happens if the target isn't reached? Would the club step in to help?, with all the fantastic publicity and the football world looking on it could be embarrassing for the club. Don't make assumptions
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 19, 2017 10:06:11 GMT 1
I've contributed and will do so again once payday comes about. Have to see this through. Really don't want us looking silly in all this after all the great publicity we've received these last few weeks. Be gutted if this doesn't come about. Club really need to push this on a match day. Even if you wouldn't be looking to stand in the standing area please consider the positive contribution it will have on the match day experience...
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