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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 18:35:46 GMT 1
And yet MM post match pretty much asking for a budget to buy L1 players. So where's the discrpancy?
Is it that the 9th highest is only a few thousand above the lowest budgets in the league or does it include all staff not just players.
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Post by Scarecrow on Apr 30, 2016 18:36:53 GMT 1
And yet MM post match pretty much asking for a budget to buy L1 players. So where's the discrpancy? Is it that the 9th highest is only a few thousand above the lowest budgets in the league or does it include all staff not just players. Where do we actually get that stat from? How is it verified? Just curious.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 30, 2016 18:38:50 GMT 1
Didn't Matt Williams tell us that? About the 9th biggest wage budget?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 18:39:42 GMT 1
And yet MM post match pretty much asking for a budget to buy L1 players. So where's the discrpancy? Is it that the 9th highest is only a few thousand above the lowest budgets in the league or does it include all staff not just players. Where do we actually get that stat from? How is it verified? Just curious. A quote from Matt Williams yes
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 30, 2016 18:43:34 GMT 1
But did it include the promotion bonuses which reduced the budget that Mellon had? Hope they don't have bonuses for a staying up!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 18:51:26 GMT 1
It's an estimate circulated by the football league during the season.
Two years ago it was in the lowest third. Although bizarrely, James Hughes told us that meant we should have been in the playoffs, in that odd period when everyone blamed GT for everything.
This was a transitionary year no doubt. Our two best players leaving, the knock on impact of having to pay bonuses and increased salaries to our promotion team. We got over the line.
Now, can whoever is the manager next year be given a top 7 budget? Which will include monies from player sales and our cup run. If they can, then next season could be really interesting. We out find out until we see the quality of the players coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 18:57:30 GMT 1
It's an estimate circulated by the football league during the season. Two years ago it was in the lowest third. Although bizarrely, James Hughes told us that meant we should have been in the playoffs, in that odd period when everyone blamed GT for everything. This was a transitionary year no doubt. Our two best players leaving, the knock on impact of having to pay bonuses and increased salaries to our promotion team. We got over the line. Now, can whoever is the manager next year be given a top 7 budget? Which will include monies from player sales and our cup run. If they can, then next season could be really interesting. We out find out until we see the quality of the players coming in. Yep. I'd really like to see how many we would get in this league if we were hovering around the play-off zone or higher.
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Post by salopstan on Apr 30, 2016 19:00:34 GMT 1
Didn't someone at the club give everyone 20% wage rises...... When it should have only been the players who had x amount of appearances??
So in effect this meant players who did nothing would not leave as they got a pay rise and other clubs wouldn't take on their wages.... Also screwed us over when it came to bringing in players.
Like MM says we need to be a league one club all the time and not just when we feel like it. For that to happen a lot needs to change......
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Post by mattmw on Apr 30, 2016 19:03:39 GMT 1
But did it include the promotion bonuses which reduced the budget that Mellon had? Hope they don't have bonuses for a staying up! Yes it was very much a quote without substance from our old chief exec. At the time it sounded like MW over exaggerating his role and having a bit of a dig at Mellon. One of many occasions where he spoke without thinking I'd be very surprised if our actual playing budget for this season, excluding bonuses, was anywhere near the 9th highest in the league. Looking at next season some big former Premier League sides might be in league one and competing financially with them will be tough
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 19:08:55 GMT 1
9th highest wage budget and getting outplayed by most sides is frustrating, but you do have to take into consideration that at the time we had big earners like Collins, Barnett and Lawrence who were doing nothing and Wes who was unfortunately injured. All four would be on a fair chunk I'd imagine, our better players like Whalley and Junior can't be on that much, while Grimmer and Kaikai will only be loan contributions, I think the better payed players such as the ones I named above have really let us down as they haven't lived up to their salary.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 30, 2016 19:13:44 GMT 1
Didn't someone at the club give everyone 20% wage rises...... When it should have only been the players who had x amount of appearances?? So in effect this meant players who did nothing would not leave as they got a pay rise and other clubs wouldn't take on their wages.... Also screwed us over when it came to bringing in players. Like MM says we need to be a league one club all the time and not just when we feel like it. For that to happen a lot needs to change...... Yes. I believe you are correct. Utter madness that the likes of Caton was awarded the same increase as regular members of the team.
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Post by onthepitch on Apr 30, 2016 19:46:31 GMT 1
Didn't someone at the club give everyone 20% wage rises...... When it should have only been the players who had x amount of appearances?? So in effect this meant players who did nothing would not leave as they got a pay rise and other clubs wouldn't take on their wages.... Also screwed us over when it came to bringing in players. Like MM says we need to be a league one club all the time and not just when we feel like it. For that to happen a lot needs to change...... Yes. I believe you are correct. Utter madness that the likes of Caton was awarded the same increase as regular members of the team. Yes but Catons 20% of **** all would have been a lot less that whatever the likes of Vernon were getting and MM did always bang on about them all being a first team squad etc...
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Post by northwestman on Apr 30, 2016 20:59:23 GMT 1
I believe that there may have been some confusion at the beginning of the season when calculating the budget as to whether the 20% wage increases were originally factored in.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 30, 2016 22:14:06 GMT 1
Looking at next season some big former Premier League sides might be in league one and competing financially with them will be tough eh? Do you mean Bolton??? They've got a lot of work to do. There's no Wigan coming down next season. However, mosts of the teams coming up will be competitive
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 30, 2016 22:18:09 GMT 1
My God James Hughes said something?!
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Post by mattmw on Apr 30, 2016 22:42:06 GMT 1
Looking at next season some big former Premier League sides might be in league one and competing financially with them will be tough eh? Do you mean Bolton??? They've got a lot of work to do. There's no Wigan coming down next season. However, mosts of the teams coming up will be competitive Was thinking more of Fulham and Charlton who while not recent premier sides still attract average home crowds of over 15,000 although I think like Bolton they have their own financial issues too
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Post by Salop_Ian on Apr 30, 2016 22:48:24 GMT 1
We should be able to financially out muscle Accrington Stanley if they manage to get promoted.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 30, 2016 22:52:04 GMT 1
We should be able to financially out muscle Accrington Stanley if they manage to get promoted. Perhaps we could just sign all their players...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 22:52:28 GMT 1
eh? Do you mean Bolton??? They've got a lot of work to do. There's no Wigan coming down next season. However, mosts of the teams coming up will be competitive Was thinking more of Fulham and Charlton who while not recent premier sides still attract average home crowds of over 15,000 although I think like Bolton they have their own financial issues too Fulham aren't coming down...
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Post by mattmw on Apr 30, 2016 23:02:32 GMT 1
Was thinking more of Fulham and Charlton who while not recent premier sides still attract average home crowds of over 15,000 although I think like Bolton they have their own financial issues too Fulham aren't coming down... Ah yes it's three down from championship not four! That makes things a tad easier then
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Post by lenny on Apr 30, 2016 23:12:49 GMT 1
It's plausible that we had the 9th biggest wage bill or something because of the the promotion increases - it's certainly possible we were at our wage cap as a result of this but needed to cut wages in January - hence the complaints now. Or it's possible MW was exaggerating.
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2016 9:25:00 GMT 1
It's plausible that we had the 9th biggest wage bill or something because of the the promotion increases - it's certainly possible we were at our wage cap as a result of this but needed to cut wages in January - hence the complaints now. Or it's possible MW was exaggerating. I've been told that MM had a number of players lined up before this season started but had to pull out of negotiations with them late on as the 20% wage increases hadn't originally been factored in, and once they had been we were close to our wages cap.
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Post by onthepitch on May 1, 2016 9:40:29 GMT 1
It's plausible that we had the 9th biggest wage bill or something because of the the promotion increases - it's certainly possible we were at our wage cap as a result of this but needed to cut wages in January - hence the complaints now. Or it's possible MW was exaggerating. I've been told that MM had a number of players lined up before this season started but had to pull out of negotiations with them late on as the 20% wage increases hadn't originally been factored in, and once they had been we were close to our wages cap. Would explain a lot, but the blame for that should still be on his and his mate Matts shoulders?
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Post by onthepitch on May 1, 2016 9:46:44 GMT 1
Anyone have a clue yet as to how next seasons budget will compare to this seasons?
It sounded like MM is expecting it to be similar (or lower)? If that is the case and without the 20% rise players on the books, we should have more to spend shouldn't we?
Also, with a League 1 season under our belt and decent revenue from player sales and cup runs, will our wage cap be higher? Not sure exactly how that is worked out?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 10:53:27 GMT 1
One of the real questions is who put 20% rise for promotion clause into every players contract? Surely by simple arithmetic they would realise such rises would top out the fair play limit . Understandable from championship to premiership but from league 2 to 1 , that is financial suicide .
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2016 10:56:12 GMT 1
A very good question which needs answering.
But the culprit may no longer be on the premises.
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Post by Carter on May 1, 2016 11:30:41 GMT 1
If this 9th highest budget is actually true, and money is everything in football (which is what Mellon was insinuating) then it could be said that finishing 9th would be an average season. Anything less is failure... anything more is success.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 11:59:36 GMT 1
Anyone have a clue yet as to how next seasons budget will compare to this seasons? It sounded like MM is expecting it to be similar (or lower)? If that is the case and without the 20% rise players on the books, we should have more to spend shouldn't we? Also, with a League 1 season under our belt and decent revenue from player sales and cup runs, will our wage cap be higher? Not sure exactly how that is worked out? Good point. Surely the recent accounts revealed the reserves had been put right. Also transfer money in during this season plus cup run should offset losses for this season. Even the attendances recovered a bit towards the end. Does that mean, we could provide at least a similar budget for next season
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 1, 2016 20:28:17 GMT 1
One of the real questions is who put 20% rise for promotion clause into every players contract? Surely by simple arithmetic they would realise such rises would top out the fair play limit . Understandable from championship to premiership but from league 2 to 1 , that is financial suicide . Don't understand why this is an issue, would think bonuses for promotion and drops for relegation are the norm in football and are sensible. Also mellon decided late in the summer to resign akpra akpro & grandison, which us further into our wage limit.
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Post by salopstan on May 1, 2016 20:34:13 GMT 1
I believe the person responsible for the contract paperwork is still at the club.
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