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Post by northwestman on Oct 5, 2015 16:31:36 GMT 1
MM - I was right to change it around.
"We just thought that was the team to give us the best opportunity of giving a good account of ourselves."
He admitted he didn't think he could change the outcome from the bench.
He thought that Halstead has played well and was not at fault for any of the 6 goals conceded in the last 2 games.
Meanwhile the Star gave Sadler a rating of 4 and singled him out for particular criticism even though the whole team played badly. Could have easily given away 2 penalties.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:01:43 GMT 1
Dont understand those comments by Mellon - 2-0 down at half time, he had nothing to lose by swapping players around.
Difficult to understand his thoughts on this one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 18:03:47 GMT 1
Don't want to pile in and be overly critical of Mellon but his comment that he didn't think he could change the outcome from the bench strongly suggests that he had thrown in the towel. Apart from that what sort of message does it send out to his players on the bench . I would suggest something along the lines of " we are s**te but you lot are worse and I have absolutely no faith in your ability or commitment to turn things around " . Harsh comment perhaps but I don't think I'm that far from the truth . He picked his starting line up and his bench and to not even try and change things is very poor decision making on his part . What had we to loose ? Indeed , what had we to gain , but if you don't try ............ Very disappointed in his lack of action .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 18:16:54 GMT 1
Steve Evans is available.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 5, 2015 18:24:59 GMT 1
Does seem an odd comment about the subs. At the very least we had the ability to go 2 up front, or bring Clark into midfield. Maybe even have brought on Ellis and pushed Grandison to full back. Had options in the bench and a bit odd he didn't take them
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Post by Pilch on Oct 5, 2015 18:40:01 GMT 1
he does like to chop and change quite a bit, either than or he's totally unsure of his best side or maybe even he's been using kev ratcliffes bingo machine to pick the sides ;-)
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Post by twentysix on Oct 5, 2015 18:46:32 GMT 1
Never thought I'd hear me say this - but MM is losing the plot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 19:16:35 GMT 1
Never thought I'd hear me say this - but MM is losing the plot. Nothing like a major overreaction!
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Post by onthepitch on Oct 5, 2015 19:42:27 GMT 1
He may be right that he was right to change it around, but I don't see how he can claim his changes were right!!
If you catch my drift...
If we play with one striker I think you have to have Clarke in behind as the others don't seem to be able to make it work.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 5, 2015 21:04:07 GMT 1
Can I take it from the lack of comments regarding MM's remarks about Halstead that everyone is in agreement with him? Cause I'm certainly not.
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Post by callum on Oct 5, 2015 21:23:31 GMT 1
Can I take it from the lack of comments regarding MM's remarks about Halstead that everyone is in agreement with him? Cause I'm certainly not. I agree, at fault for the first and third in my opinion, saw the first all the way and if he'd just stood up for the third he would have caught it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 21:33:42 GMT 1
I would not blame Halstead for the first it was a good strike, the defending was woeful, Armstrong ran through with ease, like he did when we lost possession for the third, but I do think Halstead will be disappointed in that he could have made the save!
Who gave away possession that led to the 3rd goal, that was a shocking error!
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Post by dooble78 on Oct 5, 2015 21:39:22 GMT 1
Thinking about it lads he hardly changed the team. He still played sadler still had cole and kaikai in midfield and had collins and jlaa up front. when we have got players that have not been given a chance,at all and some that have only played a few mins ie Mcalinden, vernon,caton,Whalley, Mcnight, Patterson, smith black . How are we ever going to know,how good these players are if we never see them play baring in mind that MM signed all of them just seems a waste of time.
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Post by jamo on Oct 5, 2015 21:53:55 GMT 1
First time since he's been here that he is beginning to look to be struggling. Bound to happen sometime and I'm sure he will get it right but he needs to up his game a little.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:18:31 GMT 1
Just listened to MM interview on Shrewsweb well worth the listen if you can.
James Bond asks his usual uninteresting "brown nosing" question but followed by good questions from Tim Nash, who puts MM on the spot about Sadler!
Also say's we will play 3 at the back tomorrow night and our defending v Coventry was cr@p!
Black definitely starts tomorrow!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 22:25:50 GMT 1
I would not blame Halstead for the first He went down in more installments than it'll take to pay off my 30 year mortgage.* *not quite, but you get the point (taking into account my post higher up the thread!)
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 6, 2015 5:13:27 GMT 1
The decision not to change things on Saturday becomes more baffling by those remarks in the interview. We keep being told we have a squad of first team players - a statement clearly contradicted by his inaction. OK, the game might have been up but give the guys on the bench a chance to stake their claim.
By only changing Collins for Barnett he was effectively telling the others they are not good enough, once again also contradicting another of his statements last week that this is the strongest bunch of players he has had since joining Shrewsbury.
It's poor management whichever way you look at it. Either he was like a rabbit trapped in the headlights or genuinely doesn't have faith in a significant section of the players he has signed. I still believe he can keep us up but I am not overly impressed at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 6:34:48 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now.
So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead?
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Post by percy on Oct 6, 2015 8:33:56 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now. So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead? Was thinking exactly the same. Poor old Halstead, gets his chance only to get injured again + he goes from man of the match to scapegoat within 3 days.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 6, 2015 8:42:18 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now. So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead? Sadler by a country mile. I doubt we'll be seeing Halstead again. What did Tim Nash ask MM about Sadler?
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Post by buryshrew on Oct 6, 2015 9:01:28 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now. So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead? All of them... but you forgot Grandison.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 6, 2015 9:10:17 GMT 1
Thinking about it lads he hardly changed the team. He still played sadler still had cole and kaikai in midfield and had collins and jlaa up front. when we have got players that have not been given a chance,at all and some that have only played a few mins ie Mcalinden, vernon,caton,Whalley, Mcnight, Patterson, smith black . How are we ever going to know,how good these players are if we never see them play baring in mind that MM signed all of them just seems a waste of time. I would imagine MM would come up with the following comments - McAlinden - will have to wait for his chance whilst we are only playing 1 up front as he's not a target man. Vernon - will never play for us again. Am annoyed he didn't clear off to Wrexham. Caton - will never play for us again. Am annoyed Mansfield didn't want him. Whalley - I have my reasons (we've no idea what they are). McKnight - not ready for 1st team yet. One for the future. Patterson - if I put him in at right back I'd have to switch Tootle to the left, and that would mean dropping Sadler (heaven forbid!). Smith - not ready for 1st team yet. One for the future. Black - not fit, but can have a run out against Fleetwood tomorrow. And he's probably made sure MD stays at Cambridge by agreeing to a no recall clause. As MD seems to be man of the match for them quite often there'll be no danger that they'll be sending him back.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 6, 2015 9:12:52 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now. So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead? All of them... but you forgot Grandison. Yes. A definite candidate on recent performances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 10:38:56 GMT 1
Right I'm confused now. So who is the scapegoat? Sadler, Jackson, Mellon, or Halstead? Sadler by a country mile. I doubt we'll be seeing Halstead again. What did Tim Nash ask MM about Sadler? He said Northwestman on Blue and amber thinks he should be dropped and demetriou brought back and does he agree, also Sadler has been guilty of giving away 6 penalties ! MM skirted round it, said Ellis was to blame for the one at Rochdale, and the defence was crap against Coventry...yes his actual words. Tom Nash challenged MM answer describing penalalties given away by Sadler eg Millwall but Mellon was careful not to be drawn in, but interestingly was happy to single out Ellis!
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Post by whitchurch2wem on Oct 6, 2015 11:07:14 GMT 1
Such vitriol and venom hiding behind user names for anonymity, and as far as i can see, not much by way of support for players finding their way in a better league. So to summarise:- Mellon the messiah last season, is now apparently clueless Man mountain Grandison, immense last season, is now useless. Halstead gets a chance, and despite MOM against Coventry, is to blame for everything Sadler, is apparently the worst full-back in the league
You are apparently supporters, but with a very limited football knowledge judging by some of the ridiculous comments on here. Hows this for an idea, although maybe a little complex for some ---Get behind whoever is selected and actually support the team. Rant over, and tin hat on
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Post by essofsteel on Oct 6, 2015 11:21:21 GMT 1
Sadler has been our weakness since the start. I have said it before, he has lost whatever he had during his first spell with us. Get him out of the picture & things will look up.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 6, 2015 11:21:21 GMT 1
Such vitriol and venom hiding behind user names for anonymity, and as far as i can see, not much by way of support for players finding their way in a better league. So to summarise:- Mellon the messiah last season, is now apparently clueless Man mountain Grandison, immense last season, is now useless. Halstead gets a chance, and despite MOM against Coventry, is to blame for everything Sadler, is apparently the worst full-back in the league You are apparently supporters, but with a very limited football knowledge judging by some of the ridiculous comments on here. Hows this for an idea, although maybe a little complex for some ---Get behind whoever is selected and actually support the team. Rant over, and tin hat on I'm sure that all of us who are going up to Fleetwood tonight will be supporting the team - not much point in going if we don't. However, I think we would reserve the right to criticise afterwards if we wish to. looking at the report in the Shropshire Star, it looks as if it will be quite a different team tonight so it will be interesting to see how it goes.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 6, 2015 11:39:56 GMT 1
Think regular supporters can both support the team, but also question the manager and players as well. It's not like you can only do one or the other.
I really hope we can do well in this league and kick on, but equally you have to ask questions about some of the decisions taken over the summer and with team selection this year. Shrewsbury is hardly the hot bed of rabble rousing and I'm sure when results pick up these pages will be a lot quieter. If they don't it's quite healthy people have a forum to give their views as fans
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 12:01:07 GMT 1
The problem is clear. We should never have changed badge again. The thousands of pounds spent on replacing the clippy crockery and signage could have been used to sign better players and we would in all probability be top of the league
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Post by buryshrew on Oct 6, 2015 12:54:57 GMT 1
Such vitriol and venom hiding behind user names for anonymity, and as far as i can see, not much by way of support for players finding their way in a better league. So to summarise:- Mellon the messiah last season, is now apparently clueless Man mountain Grandison, immense last season, is now useless. Halstead gets a chance, and despite MOM against Coventry, is to blame for everything Sadler, is apparently the worst full-back in the league You are apparently supporters, but with a very limited football knowledge judging by some of the ridiculous comments on here. Hows this for an idea, although maybe a little complex for some ---Get behind whoever is selected and actually support the team. Rant over, and tin hat on I think a number of comments re scapegoats are ... mine was sarcastic rather than vitriolic towards any players. Maybe I need to be more astute with use of smileys to avoid being labelled as some sort of evil anti-player overlord. There. Is that better?
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