teamof79
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Post by teamof79 on Oct 4, 2015 16:42:29 GMT 1
For the first time ever whilst watching professional football, I left the ground yesterday at half time. After paying £ 20.00 entrance fee and witnessing a first half performance totally devoid of attacking and defensive quality from the Town, I just couldn't stomach another 45 minutes of it. Sadler- bite the bullet Mellon and get rid, and never take any notice of what Jackson says to you again. Tootle - surely we could have acquired better than him. Grandison - a liability waiting to happen every game at the minute. Knight Percival - looked shakey, has he fully recovered from his injury or is he just missing Goldson. Collins - No pace and presently looking like a league 2 striker out of his depth. Akpro - Too inconsistent Barnett - Still yet to show why we paid money for him? McAllinden - How bad must he be in training to be fourth choice? Lawrence - looking like a squad player at best, age catching up with him, but just too many misplaced passes. Cole and Kaikai - inexperienced and largely anonymous Ogogo - ineffective, and chasing shadows. Halstead- kept the scoreline less embarrassing.
No excuses now, these are your players Mellon, sort it out.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 4, 2015 17:22:16 GMT 1
Having lived through the heady days of Town in the old Division 2 for ten seasons, I feel that I am never going to see the like again and all I am watching now is a yo yo club. Starting to lose my enthusiasm for supporting them.
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Post by crowshrew on Oct 4, 2015 17:40:11 GMT 1
I was there with a friend who lives in Coventry. He got us tickets right in the middle of the home fans. Great view, but the humiliation was hard to take. We were lucky not to have given two pens away before the one given. Moved to a less inhabited corner for the second half, and left before the end. Looked like a team devoid of ideas, and a defence that sat so deep because they were afraid of dealing with pace. Thought there would've been subs at start of second half, but Mellon is becoming as stubborn as Turner was. Watched the rugby after, so a poor weekend sport wise.
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Post by suttonshrew on Oct 4, 2015 17:44:25 GMT 1
shrewsbury as a club is big enough to be a solid league one club. MM has made two major errors this season, the first one is changing from 3/5/2 to 4/4/2 imo, personally I think the players looked more settled and played better football playing 3/5/2. He should have stuck to his guns and built this years squad with this formation in mind. What he has done is geared us to 4/4/2 which doesn't work for some reason and we now don't have the players (mostly wing backs) to play any other way.
The other thing he's failed to do (with exception of the two loan lads) is add any real quality to the club. M woods, Whaley, Sadler, macalinden haven't added anything, tootle and agogo are solid players but aren't anything better than last season.
Think we need to get back to basics, choose your formation, choose your team and stick to it for a few games to try and get some consistency. I don't like to say it but pressure is starting to mount and another 3/4 games with no change and questions will start being asked, I don't think RW would leave it as long this time to act than he did with GT....... But u never know
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teamof79
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Post by teamof79 on Oct 4, 2015 17:58:32 GMT 1
Mellon is Matt Williams man, if things don't improve and Mellon went would Matt Williams follow him?
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 4, 2015 18:00:56 GMT 1
For the first time ever whilst watching professional football, I left the ground yesterday at half time. After paying £ 20.00 entrance fee and witnessing a first half performance totally devoid of attacking and defensive quality from the Town, I just couldn't stomach another 45 minutes of it. Sadler- bite the bullet Mellon and get rid, and never take any notice of what Jackson says to you again. Tootle - surely we could have acquired better than him. Grandison - a liability waiting to happen every game at the minute. Knight Percival - looked shakey, has he fully recovered from his injury or is he just missing Goldson. Collins - No pace and presently looking like a league 2 striker out of his depth. Akpro - Too inconsistent Barnett - Still yet to show why we paid money for him? McAllinden - How bad must he be in training to be fourth choice? Lawrence - looking like a squad player at best, age catching up with him, but just too many misplaced passes. Cole and Kaikai - inexperienced and largely anonymous Ogogo - ineffective, and chasing shadows. Halstead- kept the scoreline less embarrassing.
No excuses now, these are your players Mellon, sort it out.
Obviously not a long term away follower! Plenty of much worse performances like Boston Cambridge and Rushton all within a few weeks of each other! Those that did this treble deserve free travel and entry to away matches for the rest of their lives........ Yesterday wasn't that bad compared to many many past performances...... Having said that I was expecting a better start from "MM's team" he's got no excuses for the poor recruitment in the closed season except all the cr@p the club were spouting about maxing out under FFP regulations which proved to be a complete lack of confidance by RW and or MW who couldn't see that our 'crown jewels ' would give us income before the end of August... So brought in players that weren't good enough and failed to replace the players we all knew would leave..... amateurish to say the least
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 4, 2015 18:05:13 GMT 1
I left straight after the game, so I was surprised to get on the coach to find it already half full. There were lots of mutterings around me during the game. It's obvious there are lots of unhappy bunnies in the crowd.
However, with all the changes Mickey has had to make due to departures, I'm prepared to have a grumble, but cut him some slack as he tries to find a successful formula.
Any road up, we've missed out on Graham Westley, although I agree, Steve Evans is available.
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Post by callum on Oct 4, 2015 18:32:56 GMT 1
Having lived through the heady days of Town in the old Division 2 for ten seasons, I feel that I am never going to see the like again and all I am watching now is a yo yo club. Starting to lose my enthusiasm for supporting them. I agree Shrewder, my first years were watching us in the old division 2, the bigger clubs back then had more money but we still competed, why can't we now? Burton seem able to with less money than us.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 4, 2015 19:29:41 GMT 1
Mellon is Matt Williams man, if things don't improve and Mellon went would Matt Williams follow him? I nearly posted something like this morning - I wonder ?
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Post by mattmw on Oct 4, 2015 19:43:06 GMT 1
While the PR and background of the club is much improved since Matt Williams arrived we've yet to see any significant change in the off field income generation the club earns
Until that changes I think realistically bottom half of league one is the height of our ambitions. Unless the Chairman changes the (pretty sensible) budget structures the club operates on
Like Mellon and his attitude but it's fairly clear like Turner before him creating a decent league one team on our budget isn't as easy as it looks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 19:51:43 GMT 1
Having lived through the heady days of Town in the old Division 2 for ten seasons, I feel that I am never going to see the like again and all I am watching now is a yo yo club. Starting to lose my enthusiasm for supporting them. I agree Shrewder, my first years were watching us in the old division 2, the bigger clubs back then had more money but we still competed, why can't we now? Burton seem able to with less money than us. We were on the receiving end of some hefty beatings in the old div 2 as well that I remember... 1-5 at home to Ipswich 0-4 at Bristol City, Barnsley, Newcastle , QPR, Rotherham, Middlesbrough, Millwall, WBA, Portsmouth Not to mention a few 1-4 like Derby and countless 0-3 Yet we managed 10 seasons with a few finishes in the top 10 (highest was 8th I think) no mean feat! fans seemed to back the team more then, or is that memory playing tricks!!!!!!
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Post by northwestman on Oct 4, 2015 19:58:28 GMT 1
Mellon is Matt Williams man, if things don't improve and Mellon went would Matt Williams follow him? One thing is for certain. If MM goes MJ won't. Has the same stickability as Book at Man City and Carey at Wrexham once had.
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Post by Dale on Oct 4, 2015 20:39:47 GMT 1
Having lived through the heady days of Town in the old Division 2 for ten seasons, I feel that I am never going to see the like again and all I am watching now is a yo yo club. Starting to lose my enthusiasm for supporting them. I agree Shrewder, my first years were watching us in the old division 2, the bigger clubs back then had more money but we still competed, why can't we now? Burton seem able to with less money than us. It is frustrating because there is no reason why our club can't become highly competitive in League One, there are clubs in the top half no bigger or better run than us yet the likes of Rochdale and Burton are flourishing whereas we just can't seem to get to grips with this league.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 4, 2015 21:09:00 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 5, 2015 8:24:19 GMT 1
I suspect Bournemouth used to get about the same as us for the most part. And look where they are now. You can't simply look at attendances. It can also come down to who owns the club and how much they are willing to put into it money wise.
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Post by roberto02afcct on Oct 5, 2015 8:56:03 GMT 1
Couldn't go due to lack of funds but listened to it on the radio (which got flung across the room at the time) I think the squad is sorely lacking confidence which was lost with our spine of Goldsob & Woodsy. As frustrated I am I for one am trying to contain my feelings as best I can and hope to see a better performance as the next month develops with MM finally returning to a solid formation that works and injuries, etc..... depending a solid team playing game in, game out.
MW I think has said many times that only way he is leaving this club is for a lot of money from a big club or unless RW sacks him which at the moment is unlikely.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 5, 2015 8:59:27 GMT 1
I fear that the signs are there that we have not learnt the lessons of last time and that once again we are trying to do Division 1 on the cheap.
The signings of Tootle, Sadler, Brown, Whalley, Agogo, Patterson and M. Woods (he apparently was our number 1 target - gone home already) plus some loanees aren't likely to significantly improve the standard of the squad we had last year. None of them have stood out so far, though I exempt Whalley from that comment as he never seems to be considered anyway.
Plus of course we have lost Woods and Goldson.
It all comes down to finances. Generating more off field income and attracting more investment would certainly help.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 5, 2015 9:24:14 GMT 1
I fear that the signs are there that we have not learnt the lessons of last time and that once again we are trying to do Division 1 on the cheap. The signings of Tootle, Sadler, Brown, Whalley, Agogo, Patterson and M. Woods (he apparently was our number 1 target - gone home already) plus some loanees aren't likely to significantly improve the standard of the squad we had last year. None of them have stood out so far, though I exempt Whalley from that comment as he never seems to be considered anyway. Plus of course we have lost Woods and Goldson. It all comes down to finances. Generating more off field income and attracting more investment would certainly help. Very much disagree with you here as opposed to last time which was on the cheap I dont believe it is this time, rather its down to really poor decisions by Mellon Cheap option would have been to keep Gayle & Micky and go forward with them as wing backs in successful system. Instead we bought in 2 full backs, brown, whalley and Patterson and paid off Gayle & attempted same with MD Cheap option wouldn't have been to attempt to pay off Vernon & then freeze him out which means we're paying him for nothing whilst spending money on loaned replacements I think problems are down to poor planning by Mellon in the summer. Going away from a successful system & dont forget assembling a squad which filled the playing budget, only to then beg the chairman to sign 2 more you'd had all summer to sign or replace
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Post by kuffdam72 on Oct 5, 2015 10:16:15 GMT 1
Poor recruitment yet again, wasting cash we don't have simple!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 10:23:10 GMT 1
I think problems are down to poor planning by Mellon in the summer. Going away from a successful system & dont forget assembling a squad which filled the playing budget, only to then beg the chairman to sign 2 more you'd had all summer to sign or replace Most definately, however I think MM does realise this in hindsight and I think he will sort it!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 5, 2015 14:52:09 GMT 1
Mad that we had people on this very board not that long past telling us that MM is the best manager this club has ever had and the promotion winning side the best team.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 5, 2015 15:07:17 GMT 1
Haven't been to either of the last 2 games so I appreciate I've not suffered as the regular travellers have.
From that distance, I'm disappointed but not distraught about the Coventry defeat because I'm expecting them to win automatic promotion while our battle is to stay up.
My son went to the Rochdale game with a Leeds supporting friend who'd never seen us before. Apparently he thought we were much the better team and wished Leeds played more like Shrewsbury - although admittedly he missed the early goals onslaught against us!
My point is that was only one game ago and I'm not going to get too discouraged yet. I know those with longer history than me understandably look back to the Second Division days and wonder why it can't be repeated. It would be fantastic but I very much doubt that it can. I'd agree that reaching that level again could be achievable but I don't believe we (or any similarly sized club) could stay there without a major financial transformation - nothing short of a billionaire owner willing to burn a ton of cash. Can't see it ever happening but of course you have to try.
More immediately, we need to beat Colchester on Saturday to stay on track for avoiding relegation - 7 points every 6 games would get us to 53-54 points. I think that would be plenty to keep us up and I reckon we'd then still be playing Burton and Bury next season. I'd take that.
Not very glamorous but I never saw us challenging for another promotion this season
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Post by venceremos on Oct 5, 2015 15:10:42 GMT 1
Mad that we had people on this very board not that long past telling us that MM is the best manager this club has ever had and the promotion winning side the best team. Well I can only go back as far as 2003 or so, but I'd tick both those boxes during that period. I certainly think it would be crazy to make a managerial change now.
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Post by sussexshrew on Oct 5, 2015 15:20:55 GMT 1
Where's an immoral, criminal, Shrewsbury supporting, Russian Oligarch when you need one.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 5, 2015 15:25:12 GMT 1
Where's an immoral, criminal, Shrewsbury supporting, Russian Oligarch when you need one. Well the Foreign Office has apparently downgraded human rights in its priorities to a level below helping British companies win contracts, so that's kind of a green light for football clubs to approach rich torturers, thieves and murderers. Such a nice world we live in.
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Post by TheFoz on Oct 5, 2015 16:12:26 GMT 1
Time to spend some of that Goldson and Woods cash.
Paying off Sadler would be a good start.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:13:23 GMT 1
Thoughts of leaving at half time in disgust reminded me of the debacle at Preston in 1993. This was played on the infamous plastic pitch that held 422 tons of sand.......... Town were 5-0 down after 26 minutes. At half time I decided I had had enough and walked back to the club car park only to find that my car had been blocked in by an idiot North End fan.............the car park attendant kindly pointed out that I would be able to get out by about 5.00 pm....bollox thought I, and trudged back into the ground. Feeling hungry I bought a pie and got back to my seat shortly after the second half kicked off.......just in time to see Preston score a sixth........FFS Coventry was nothing compared to that afternoon.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 18:09:17 GMT 1
Another way of looking at this that we've played 11 games and have been totally out played for 90 minutes only twice.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 5, 2015 18:35:52 GMT 1
as bad as the first half was on saturday i find it bizarre why someone wouild give up a day to travel to watch the town at great cost and leave halfway through the game
i fully expected coventry to beat us before i even left home
but this is football
some days anything can happen and some days it does, and no matter how certain you are of a defeat you take hope with you
you'd have missed quite a few great memories had you left certain games at half time
just don't go at all i say
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Post by mattmw on Oct 5, 2015 18:42:46 GMT 1
Another way of looking at this that we've played 11 games and have been totally out played for 90 minutes only twice. Think that's a good point. In the other games (well those I've seen) we have had good spells in matches but have for various reasons not taken our chances. We could easily have got something from the Millwall, Burton and Crewe matches and quite possibly the Rochdale match too We definitely need to cut out the mistakes at the back and turn out good spells into goals but it feels more like we need to be more consistent in games than reshuffle the whole pack My only criticism of the management would be tinkering with the team probably doesn't help us with that consistency
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