Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:18:08 GMT 1
Says Brentford "more than matched" our valuation. Initial payment, payments on appearances, payments depending on Brentford's future success and a hefty sell-on fee apparently. soundcloud.com/bbc-shropshire-sport/mw0109
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2015 22:28:59 GMT 1
sounds like the royal mail sell off = sold too cheap :-(
|
|
|
Post by Bordershrew on Sept 1, 2015 22:42:21 GMT 1
"The crowds haven't been where we want them to be"
3 from 3 home league losses, the sales of the arguably the 2 best players in the squad and recruitment of players unproven at League One level probably don't help that situation.
Burton get lower crowds but seem to have recruited correctly for this division.
|
|
|
Post by jonbond on Sept 1, 2015 22:49:26 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position .
|
|
|
Post by lenny on Sept 1, 2015 23:00:40 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position . What utter rubbish. Arguably equally, and probably more, likely than us having under-sold our two most valuable players is that the buying clubs feel they have overpaid and want to avoid any pressure on young new signings, and so the other clubs will reject requests to publicise fees and so we have to avoid by these laws, which is what they are, I'm afraid. I don't get why it's viewed as an insult. What shred of difference does it make to us whether or not we know the fees? Christ on a bike our fans don't half like a good moan.
|
|
|
Post by buryshrew on Sept 1, 2015 23:02:34 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position . Don't you think it helps with future negotiations not to reveal what deals you've done previously? Why give more info away to other clubs / agents than you have to?
|
|
|
Post by markglasgow on Sept 1, 2015 23:11:37 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position . The Andre Gray Brentford to Burnley was officially 'undisclosed'. The fee was 'believed' to be around £9m. I won't be losing sleep over not knowing the exact figure. It all usually comes out in the wash eventually. How much was the initial payment for Joe Hart? £600K? £650K? £100K? According to the man who put his hand in his pocket to pay the fee the answer may surprise a few of you... www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/why-manchester-city-fans-have-former-blues-799798My prime concern is the financial well-being of our club. The 4 deals concluded over the last few weeks will keep us competitive over the next few years at least. The bigger picture...
|
|
|
Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 1, 2015 23:18:07 GMT 1
We got £1.6million including sell-ons for Joe Hart, according to Gary Peters, who didn't do undisclosed. Straight up and down bloke, who told me that, looking me straight in the eye. I believe him.
|
|
|
Post by vanner on Sept 1, 2015 23:22:08 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position . This is common practice across the board to be fair. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11378383/Not-revealing-how-much-football-clubs-pay-in-their-transfer-dealings-is-an-insult-to-fans.html
|
|
|
Post by onthepitch on Sept 1, 2015 23:23:34 GMT 1
Ryan Who??? ;P
|
|
|
Post by TheFoz on Sept 1, 2015 23:29:08 GMT 1
I'm just glad Matt Williams is here, I guarantee we would have got a lot less if he wasn't.
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on Sept 1, 2015 23:34:53 GMT 1
Matt Williams has gone way down in my estimation . Trying to say the reason the deals are undisclosed because it's football league rules if one party doesn't want it disclosed . Funny how Brighton , Burnley , Brentford , Southampton etc disclose all their other transfer. It is clearly town policy not to say what the transfer fees are, which I find an insult to the fans who bought their season tickets, and other fans too. He then tries to fob us off by saying we got this and that as part of the sale , well why not just tell us what it is if it's that good ! Fans have every right to criticise him and Roland and draw the conclusion that woods and Goldson have been sold on the cheap if they aren't prepared to treat the fans with a bit more respect . I thought he was a breath off fresh air at first , now I think he's just like all the other stooges we have had in the position . A quick look through today's deals shows there to be 20 undisclosed fees and 8 deals with a fee shown. All those with a fee shown involve Premier League clubs, although I'd be sceptical about the accuracy of some of those given that United's Martial signing has been reported as various figures. Recently, Brighton signed two strikers for undisclosed fees, Burnley sold a striker for an undisclosed fee, Brentford signed a full back for an undisclosed fee ..... Seems they don't disclose all their other transfers as you said. So, if not disclosing fees is "clearly Town policy", it's also clearly the policy of a lot of other clubs, especially lower down the leagues. You might find it insulting (although I can't see why) but, if so, we're being insulted by most clubs. Criticising Wycherley and Williams on the back of that seems misplaced. Assuming the Goldson and Woods deals must have been done on the cheap because you don't know they weren't just seems silly. I don't think Matt Williams deserves to lose his "breath of fresh air" reputation over this. Maybe he was telling the truth about the Football League rules ...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 7:51:13 GMT 1
Matt Williams is not our mate down the pub who may be more than happy to spill the beans after a few jars. If he and the club do not wish to disclose the fees received then so be it, it's nothing new after all and I'm certainly not bothered about it. After all, we all knew that Connor & Ryan would be leaving at some stage this summer.
Matt Williams is here to do a professional management job, so far I think he is doing it well.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:23:53 GMT 1
January transfer window will be panic stations IMO
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:31:20 GMT 1
January transfer window will be panic stations IMO Maybe but I am glad we haven't panicked now and paid excesssve transfer fees for players who may be out of contract or nearly out of contract in January. IMO, despite disappointing results so far, its too early to judge the credentials of this squad at the moment. Give it a couple of months, try and get a couple more longer term loans in to boost the squad and we may be surprised that January becomes a relatively quiet period for us.
|
|
|
Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 2, 2015 10:55:42 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 2, 2015 11:16:52 GMT 1
I don't mind undisclosed fees as much as I used to.
Because as soon as you chuck a figure int he air everyone gets false expectations about what it means going forwards.
Chairmen and agents want a bit of your cash every time you want to sign a new player.
But STFC lost a huge whack of money going up last season. We've still got a competent first eleven without two of our best players, and players like Vernon and Lawrence benchwarming. We need to sell players as we go along. We're not in the market to buy an expensive player now. We just need to keep building incrementally.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:04:45 GMT 1
Well the same person who told my mate that Martin Woods and Harry Lewis were going on Saturday also advised that we turned down a bid of £450k from Brentford. Therefore the quote of "The deal we have ended up getting was more than double their first offer" suggests to me the deal was in the region of £1million. Not bad if that is the case
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 2, 2015 16:19:43 GMT 1
I'd like to know but I'm OK if we keep it under wraps. If I were going out to buy sommat meself I'd rather the folks I'm buying off don't know how much I've to spend.
|
|
|
Post by mattmw on Sept 2, 2015 17:19:30 GMT 1
Read a few good blogs on the undisclosed fees thing in the last few days. Those in the game see it as a bit of a joke as agents and clubs no full well what each player is going for
What seems to be behind the decision not to go public is there is often quite a gap between the price the selling club get and what the buying club sell for. We're not talking iffy deals more that a significant amount of transfer fees now goes directly to agents or agencies, and neither clubs or agents are too keen to make that public -can be as high as 20%
Another factor is to try and protect players from the "he's not worth that much" type criticism, but seems very little evidence not disclosing fees has any impact on clubs future negotiating positions with new signings
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 17:35:05 GMT 1
r]Burton get lower crowds but seem to have recruited correctly for this division. Not arguing the point, but the key word there for me is "seem". Three games in surely isn't enough time to make a reasoned assessment of our relative squads and recruitment.
|
|
|
Post by Bordershrew on Sept 2, 2015 18:28:36 GMT 1
r]Burton get lower crowds but seem to have recruited correctly for this division. Not arguing the point, but the key word there for me is "seem". Three games in surely isn't enough time to make a reasoned assessment of our relative squads and recruitment. Fair comment, and I'll be more than pleased if I'm wrong. Hopefully I'll be eating my words after wins at Barnsley and Southend.
|
|