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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2015 17:25:22 GMT 1
Massively disappointing.
Aren't they just us with Russian money ?
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 1, 2015 17:28:32 GMT 1
We have to look on the bright side - so long as we get some of it we mustn't worry!!!!
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Post by SamHarvey on Sept 1, 2015 17:31:28 GMT 1
Pretty sure he'll get game time there tho so a good move if you look at it like that. I don't think Conor has had even a minute for Brighton, has he?
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Post by vanner on Sept 1, 2015 17:32:07 GMT 1
Pretty much yup. With teams like Swindon, Brentford and Bournemouth around, it almost gets to the point where you have to ask; if you can't beat them, do you join them? Obviously we don't have that choice, but it is getting increasingly difficult to compete with other teams who aren't as self sustained as we are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:03:00 GMT 1
Massively disappointing. Aren't they just us with Russian money ? British money - c. £50m of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:10:32 GMT 1
I do fear for Brentford . A decent club with an excellent Manager at one time who was told he wouldn't be in charge even if they went up. An absolute master stroke by the owners I don't think. Let's hope Brentford treat Ryan well and don't mess him around .
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 1, 2015 18:21:32 GMT 1
Brentford is a fascinating story. New stadium on the way and a model that crunches numbers to find players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:25:32 GMT 1
I do fear for Brentford . A decent club with an excellent Manager at one time who was told he wouldn't be in charge even if they went up. An absolute master stroke by the owners I don't think. Let's hope Brentford treat Ryan well and don't mess him around . I get the feeling it could go either way dramatically for the Bees! Think Brighton is a more stable club but I think RW will get games.
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Post by vanner on Sept 1, 2015 18:42:20 GMT 1
Brentford is a fascinating story. New stadium on the way and a model that crunches numbers to find players. Moneyball logic at its finest.
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2015 18:49:12 GMT 1
Massively disappointing. Aren't they just us with Russian money ? British money - c. £50m of it. Really? I thought they had Russian backing, apologies if not. That said however, I really had higher hopes for Woods. Brentford are a fine football club but are they really any different to us apart from a sudden influx of money ? I really wanted to see Woods on a bigger stage, hopefully one day I will do.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2015 19:26:55 GMT 1
It shows just how far we have fallen over the years. Brentford weren't any bigger than us 25 years ago
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 1, 2015 19:27:41 GMT 1
Brentford just got a huge wedge in from player sales though didn't they?
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Post by venceremos on Sept 1, 2015 20:05:14 GMT 1
It shows just how far we have fallen over the years. Brentford weren't any bigger than us 25 years ago We've been closer to Brentford in the decade or so I've watched Town, you don't need to go back 25 years. I think it's their rise rather than Town's fall though. We're in League 1, which is as high as most neutrals would expect. Brentford are in the Championship (and play offs last season) which is much higher than would "normally" be expected. Money talks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:09:16 GMT 1
British money - c. £50m of it. Really? I thought they had Russian backing, apologies if not. That said however, I really had higher hopes for Woods. Brentford are a fine football club but are they really any different to us apart from a sudden influx of money ? I really wanted to see Woods on a bigger stage, hopefully one day I will do. The owner is Matthew Benham - he's made his money through SmartOdds - www.smartodds.co.uk/About/Overview. Just looked at a couple of articles, one of which suggests his input into Brentford is nearer £90m rather than £50m. It maybe Bournemouth you're thinking of Jamo and their Russian investment. Another team who have risen from near extinction but through significant external investment.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 1, 2015 20:16:23 GMT 1
British money - c. £50m of it. Really? I thought they had Russian backing, apologies if not. That said however, I really had higher hopes for Woods. Brentford are a fine football club but are they really any different to us apart from a sudden influx of money ? I really wanted to see Woods on a bigger stage, hopefully one day I will do. Maybe you're thinking of Bournemouth? They have a Russian backer. Brentford chairman is defo English chap and lifelong fan. A bit like the Rotherham chap. Local lad done good who is happy to plough a shed load of money into the local club.
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Sept 1, 2015 20:23:42 GMT 1
Brentford are a progressive club, backed by their fan owner Matthew Benham as Ant states. They will be in the Premier League before too long, they have a very different approach to football, very analytical. Plenty of footballing dinosaurs are hoping they'll fail but I'd put money on them getting it right...
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Post by venceremos on Sept 1, 2015 20:43:08 GMT 1
Brentford are a progressive club, backed by their fan owner Matthew Benham as Ant states. They will be in the Premier League before too long, they have a very different approach to football, very analytical. Plenty of footballing dinosaurs are hoping they'll fail but I'd put money on them getting it right... Very appropriate choice of words! As an aside, it seems to me a slightly depressing reflection of the British economy that two of our so-called progressive Championship clubs (Brentford and Brighton) are owned and financed by professional gamblers. No wonder they're analytical! I don't think you have to be a dinosaur to prefer a slightly different approach.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 1, 2015 20:49:26 GMT 1
Don't know much about their proposed ground move but presumably they are selling the existing site for development? With London prices that patch of ground will be worth a fair bit - although land for the new ground won't be cheap either
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:54:30 GMT 1
Gutted to see Griffin Park go, probably my favourite ground in the FL. To swap that identity and tradition for a bowl will be a huge shame.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 21:04:10 GMT 1
I quite like Brentford. Griffin Park is a great football ground.
Shame they are moving into a s**t Madejski-esque bowl though.
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Sept 1, 2015 21:15:21 GMT 1
Brentford are a progressive club, backed by their fan owner Matthew Benham as Ant states. They will be in the Premier League before too long, they have a very different approach to football, very analytical. Plenty of footballing dinosaurs are hoping they'll fail but I'd put money on them getting it right... Very appropriate choice of words! As an aside, it seems to me a slightly depressing reflection of the British economy that two of our so-called progressive Championship clubs (Brentford and Brighton) are owned and financed by professional gamblers. No wonder they're analytical! I don't think you have to be a dinosaur to prefer a slightly different approach. Both Benham and Bloom make their money from Asia, I'm not sure what reflection it has on the British economy...
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 1, 2015 21:48:23 GMT 1
I didn't know until reading ant's link that organisations like smartodds actually exist. They seem to produce research into sports in the way that research has been produced for equity investors for decades. Betting is a financial asset class.
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2015 22:09:50 GMT 1
Really? I thought they had Russian backing, apologies if not. That said however, I really had higher hopes for Woods. Brentford are a fine football club but are they really any different to us apart from a sudden influx of money ? I really wanted to see Woods on a bigger stage, hopefully one day I will do. Maybe you're thinking of Bournemouth? They have a Russian backer. Brentford chairman is defo English chap and lifelong fan. A bit like the Rotherham chap. Local lad done good who is happy to plough a shed load of money into the local club. Yes, I think you are right, got me clubs mixed up. Anyway..Brentford !
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2015 22:19:03 GMT 1
a club is only ever as big as either its supporters base or its bankroller
and once a bankroller turns up and starts punching above the clubs weight disaster is not far away
brentford, make hay while the sun shines as the conference is only 10 years away if you are lucky
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Post by venceremos on Sept 1, 2015 22:32:15 GMT 1
Very appropriate choice of words! As an aside, it seems to me a slightly depressing reflection of the British economy that two of our so-called progressive Championship clubs (Brentford and Brighton) are owned and financed by professional gamblers. No wonder they're analytical! I don't think you have to be a dinosaur to prefer a slightly different approach. Both Benham and Bloom make their money from Asia, I'm not sure what reflection it has on the British economy... OK, Benham was apparently also a hedge fund manager. The summaries below come from internet searches. Not sure how the geography changes the nature of the business...
"Benham made his money in the business of money. He’s been a Hedge Fund manager and professional gambler. Nowadays along with his football clubs, Mathew Benham owns two companies in the betting industry; Smartodds and Matchbook. Smartodds is a company that provides in-depth statistical analysis to professional gamblers. Matchbook meanwhile is a sports betting exchange."
"Tony Bloom, a legendary gambler known as "The Lizard," is one such operator. So revered, Bloom runs Star Lizard, a company that employs a raft of people to analyse football matches for his millionaire-only investors. Bloom is rumoured to be worth more than £1 billion and owns Brighton, the Premier League wannabes."
Not suggesting there's anything wrong with it, just personally don't regard professional gambling as a positive economic contribution. That's all I was saying.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 1, 2015 22:37:13 GMT 1
I have more respect for teams like Swansea . They've got to the promised land the right way . Love them or hate them their rise has been good!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 1, 2015 22:57:46 GMT 1
Maybe you're thinking of Bournemouth? They have a Russian backer. Brentford chairman is defo English chap and lifelong fan. A bit like the Rotherham chap. Local lad done good who is happy to plough a shed load of money into the local club. Yes, I think you are right, got me clubs mixed up. Anyway..Brentford !
Ah haa! So you've made a Miss Take. You might be forgiven........but only if you say, "pretty please with sugar on it".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 7:21:54 GMT 1
We haven't fallen anywhere, we're basically where we should be for a club of our size and turnover.
Brentford are where they are because they're lucky enough to have a fan who's made pots of money and is now living his dream. Which is great for as long as it lasts.
What's really interesting about Brentford is where the money is coming from. In days gone by it would be from a rich industrialist, a mill owner for example. Now it's from a bloke who gambles.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 2, 2015 11:07:14 GMT 1
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 2, 2015 11:12:01 GMT 1
I have more respect for teams like Swansea . They've got to the promised land the right way . Love them or hate them their rise has been good! But Swansea have gone up by being massively subsidised by their local council through the provision of a stadium. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-25559959Sounds like the Brentford chap is doing something a bit different, but it is real money he has earned and real money he is spending - not just mortgaging them to the hilt like the Bury chap is.
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