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Post by darkshrew on Sept 1, 2015 6:41:17 GMT 1
We need a big character like Mangan in the dressing room and a few results and then we will be back on song. I'm just not sure who the character in the squad is now, and the next few games look tricky. Woods going today could test a few nerves and if he doesn't Midfield looks crowded and there will be some unhappy players on the fringes or an unbalanced team. I think MM was banking on Woods, Goldson and Leutwiler being sold earlier. Unfortunately Conner left too late for him to sign the centre back he wanted and now we are left with a potential need to go into the market if we have a couple of injuries or if the suspensions mount up. Because Ryan and Leutwiler are not moving on we look too well endowed in Midfield and Goalkeeper positions. The other Woods going has relieved this a bit but I agree we still look a bit overloaded in Modfield but that is only when all are fit and able to play. For keeper I'm not sure if Halstead or Burton is the real back up - I'd like to think Callum but I suspect Halstead - in that context I think Lewis going is a good thing both for him and us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 7:09:21 GMT 1
Thought it was a little odd at the end of the game on Saturday when Lawrence came over to towards block 13/14 doing a chin up motion to the crowd. Never seen that from a player before and didn't seem in reaction to anything said by the crowd He did it at least once last season. Honestly, this feels like we're holding a post mortem on a season that is 5 games old. Just remember we have core of last year's squad, one that most people thought would be good enough for league 1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 7:11:01 GMT 1
We need a big character like Mangan in the dressing room and a few results and then we will be back on song. I'm just not sure who the character in the squad is now, and the next few games look tricky. Woods going today could test a few nerves and if he doesn't Midfield looks crowded and there will be some unhappy players on the fringes or an unbalanced team. I think MM was banking on Woods, Goldson and Leutwiler being sold earlier. Unfortunately Conner left too late for him to sign the centre back he wanted and now we are left with a potential need to go into the market if we have a couple of injuries or if the suspensions mount up. Because Ryan and Leutwiler are not moving on we look too well endowed in Midfield and Goalkeeper positions. The other Woods going has relieved this a bit but I agree we still look a bit overloaded in Modfield but that is only when all are fit and able to play. For keeper I'm not sure if Halstead or Burton is the real back up - I'd like to think Callum but I suspect Halstead - in that context I think Lewis going is a good thing both for him and us. It's been a tricky summer as if we'd sold Goldson and Woods in June we'd probably have made different signings. While I agree we're well stocked in midfield we still seem to be missing some creativity going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 8:05:37 GMT 1
I think MM was banking on Woods, Goldson and Leutwiler being sold earlier. Unfortunately Conner left too late for him to sign the centre back he wanted and now we are left with a potential need to go into the market if we have a couple of injuries or if the suspensions mount up. Because Ryan and Leutwiler are not moving on we look too well endowed in Midfield and Goalkeeper positions. The other Woods going has relieved this a bit but I agree we still look a bit overloaded in Modfield but that is only when all are fit and able to play. For keeper I'm not sure if Halstead or Burton is the real back up - I'd like to think Callum but I suspect Halstead - in that context I think Lewis going is a good thing both for him and us. It's been a tricky summer as if we'd sold Goldson and Woods in June we'd probably have made different signings. While I agree we're well stocked in midfield we still seem to be missing some creativity going forward. We don't necessarily lack creativity. Jordan Clarke has shown that he is capable but has hardly been given the chance in the centre of midfield.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 1, 2015 8:11:04 GMT 1
We've stuttered this season mucking about with 442.
Just like we did last season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 9:14:30 GMT 1
The defining moment of showing of disharmony was when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused.
Woods (Ryan) and Goldson going was always going to happen, and i would bet a tidy sum, that despite Ryan still being a STFC player, that will change by 18:00 tonight.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 1, 2015 9:18:29 GMT 1
It's been a tricky summer as if we'd sold Goldson and Woods in June we'd probably have made different signings. While I agree we're well stocked in midfield we still seem to be missing some creativity going forward. We don't necessarily lack creativity. Jordan Clarke has shown that he is capable but has hardly been given the chance in the centre of midfield. Hopefully Clarke will start tonight - and take the opportunity to show what he can do creativity for 90 minutes and force himself to become our new midfield creative player, taking over R Woods role. Together with Weso - they both need to become the new midfield engine and get the club back to winning games starting tonight.
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Post by SuttonShrew on Sept 1, 2015 23:47:22 GMT 1
At the end of the day, the dressing room was too small for two sets of woods
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 6:42:41 GMT 1
The defining moment of showing of disharmony was when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused. Woods (Ryan) and Goldson going was always going to happen, and i would bet a tidy sum, that despite Ryan still being a STFC player, that will change by 18:00 tonight. Why do the players refusing moves show disharmony? Maybe they felt that the club's offered to them weren't the right fit? Maybe they wanted more money to leave as they knew STFC wanted them gone? Maybe they were happy & settled in Shrewsbury, didn't want to move and wanted to prove MM he is wrong. There could be many reasons why they turned down a move and I'm just struggling to see why players turning down a move is proof there's disharmony at the club
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 9:06:54 GMT 1
Why do the players refusing moves show disharmony? Maybe they felt that the club's offered to them weren't the right fit? Maybe they wanted more money to leave as they knew STFC wanted them gone? Maybe they were happy & settled in Shrewsbury, didn't want to move and wanted to prove MM he is wrong. There could be many reasons why they turned down a move and I'm just struggling to see why players turning down a move is proof there's disharmony at the club maybe this maybe that, but in most spheres of management and workforce relations, as soon as you know your boss does not want you around, and you know you are not going to be used as a replacement has be brought in, then you generally are not the happiest, and you let people know.... But maybe footballers are completely different to the rest of the population.... I could be wrong, but thats my take on it...
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 2, 2015 9:16:02 GMT 1
Why do the players refusing moves show disharmony? Maybe they felt that the club's offered to them weren't the right fit? Maybe they wanted more money to leave as they knew STFC wanted them gone? Maybe they were happy & settled in Shrewsbury, didn't want to move and wanted to prove MM he is wrong. There could be many reasons why they turned down a move and I'm just struggling to see why players turning down a move is proof there's disharmony at the club maybe this maybe that, but in most spheres of management and workforce relations, as soon as you know your boss does not want you around, and you know you are not going to be used as a replacement has be brought in, then you generally are not the happiest, and you let people know.... But maybe footballers are completely different to the rest of the population.... I could be wrong, but thats my take on it... Sadly this is all but true. Also if the management want you to move on and you don't, their attitude to you isn't going to be brilliant either.
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 2, 2015 10:04:41 GMT 1
chin up lads, it is early days yet. new incumbents need to bond. still a successful club with great manager and staff. best days to come. floreat salopia! yours until all 3 loggerheads fall off my shirt!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 21:25:29 GMT 1
Why do the players refusing moves show disharmony? Maybe they felt that the club's offered to them weren't the right fit? Maybe they wanted more money to leave as they knew STFC wanted them gone? Maybe they were happy & settled in Shrewsbury, didn't want to move and wanted to prove MM he is wrong. There could be many reasons why they turned down a move and I'm just struggling to see why players turning down a move is proof there's disharmony at the club maybe this maybe that, but in most spheres of management and workforce relations, as soon as you know your boss does not want you around, and you know you are not going to be used as a replacement has be brought in, then you generally are not the happiest, and you let people know.... But maybe footballers are completely different to the rest of the population.... I could be wrong, but thats my take on it... But its no different to last season with Wildig frozen out and other players struggling to get a game who wouldnt have been happy. A dressing room will always contain players who aren't getting a game and/or who the club want to get rid of, of course the players won't be happy but I think its stretching it to say " The defining moment of showing of disharmony was when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused" And yes football is a different world to the rest of the work place, the contract episode involving Grandison & Akra-Akpo is proof of that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 21:30:17 GMT 1
But its no different to last season with Wildig frozen out and other players struggling to get a game who wouldnt have been happy. A dressing room will always contain players who aren't getting a game and/or who the club want to get rid of, of course the players won't be happy but I think its stretching it to say " The defining moment of showing of disharmony was when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused" And yes football is a different world to the rest of the work place, the contract episode involving Grandison & Akra-Akpo is proof of that Disagree, At no point did MM state that Wildig was refusing to move after the club had sorted a move for him as he has done with Vernon and MD.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 21:48:26 GMT 1
But its no different to last season with Wildig frozen out and other players struggling to get a game who wouldnt have been happy. A dressing room will always contain players who aren't getting a game and/or who the club want to get rid of, of course the players won't be happy but I think its stretching it to say " The defining moment of showing of disharmony was when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused" And yes football is a different world to the rest of the work place, the contract episode involving Grandison & Akra-Akpo is proof of that Disagree, At no point did MM state that Wildig was refusing to move after the club had sorted a move for him as he has done with Vernon and MD....... Your previous post suggested players knowing they are not wanted will result in them not being happy, Vernon & Mickey D this season are in the same boat as Wildig last season. My point is no one was suggesting that last season there were problems in the dressing room because there were unwanted players As for them refusing to move, as I've said earlier we dont know the reasons for them turning down the deals which is why I think your statement is stretching it unless you know something we don't. Plus I would say if it was an unhappy dressing room then you would have thought the players would jump at the chance to get out
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 22:29:25 GMT 1
Your previous post suggested players knowing they are not wanted will result in them not being happy, Vernon & Mickey D this season are in the same boat as Wildig last season. My point is no one was suggesting that last season there were problems in the dressing room because there were unwanted players As for them refusing to move, as I've said earlier we dont know the reasons for them turning down the deals which is why I think your statement is stretching it unless you know something we don't. Plus I would say if it was an unhappy dressing room then you would have thought the players would jump at the chance to get out You have a history of disagreeing with virtually every point i come out with, and in your haste to disagree you have not read what i have written, or mis interpreted what i have ACTUALLY written, i said " when the news was given that players were offered moves, but refused" Read into it what you like, disagree as much as you like, despite what goes on in private, as soon as it was made public by the manager, it showed signs of disharmony in the camp, and think most level headed people would agree. Just to add to that a bit, it also was used as justification as "players refusing to move which would free the wages to resign both JG and JLAA" which was, in my opinion publicly slating them for not moving and allowing the club to sign them, the situation last year was the public message that "Aaron wants to stay and fight for his place, which i admire" and did not change, despite him knowing that there was no chance he would ever play under MM again....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:28:29 GMT 1
]You have a history of disagreeing with virtually every point i come out withr] Surely that's because you're an ignorant tory buffoon?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 16:44:13 GMT 1
Yeah, but certain individuals will always disagree with me, PS is one, if i said it got dark at night he would argue... lol, which is fine, but sometimes he has to read what is there, and not jump to conclusions by presuming.... :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 20:42:47 GMT 1
Downie, if you want to believe that I'm sat at home looking for ways to pick arguments with you then be my guest.
And I fully know what you have said but I still think its down to your viewpoint/agenda to suggest that a club saying that players have turned down a move shows disharmony. Yes you could interpret it that way (which you clearly have) but you could also take it for what it is, a chief exec being honest, ie they have reached the limit of the budget, until players leave they cannot bring new players in and some of the available players have been offered deals elsewhere but have refused
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Post by onthepitch on Sept 4, 2015 12:56:24 GMT 1
How does players NOT wanting to move away suggest disharmony at the club? Looks the opposite to me?
Most teams have similar situations at some point, just maybe not at the limit of their wage cap.
We have a player with defensive frailties and a striker that doesn't score goals (in competitive games) and they have been earmarked for replacement. I'm sure Mickey D is a nice guy, but as far as I'm concerned I'm glad MM is taking a tough stance and is attempting to strengthen these areas.
Now the window is closed the new players need to gel as a group and prove their worth on the pitch (in the league at least). Now I've got over the disappointment of losing CG and RW, I can't see anything drastically wrong??
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