salop81
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Post by salop81 on Aug 30, 2015 9:16:34 GMT 1
Why has he been frozen out?? Clearly a better player than Sadler...better going forward and defensively, more pace and potential....completely mistreated by the management in my opinion.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 9:33:27 GMT 1
Good question. And as others have commented on here, he played against Blackpool, Norwich, Leicester and Chelsea without looking out of place.
Clearly far better suited to a wing back role than Sadler. He did make some errors defensively last season (Tranmere away and Plymouth home are two that come to mind) but Sadler hasn't started too well in this department either.
I can only assume that MD has suffered the same fate as Jacobson in that somewhere in the management team for some reason a decision has been taken to move him on. And Jacobson didn't have too bad a season with Wycombe!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:33:57 GMT 1
MM seemed v fair last season and selection seemed bases on form not favour or reputation.Grandison wasn't involved at all then worked his way in, Lawrence was left out a lot to start with etc. So the Demetriou thing does seem odd, especially now we've gone back to a three at the back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:45:38 GMT 1
MM seemed v fair last season and selection seemed bases on form not favour or reputation.Grandison wasn't involved at all then worked his way in, Lawrence was left out a lot to start with etc. So the Demetriou thing does seem odd, especially now we've gone back to a three at the back. Fair comment although several on here were up in arms about Wildig being left out week in, week out. As I remember, he was also made available for loan early in the season. The bit I don't quite understand (assuming similar wages) is why Gayle was paid off but not Demetriou
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 9:54:46 GMT 1
I heard a shout from the crowd yesterday to 'get Demetriou off the bench'.
He's not likely to even get a sniff of the bench. I get the distinct impression that quite a bit of pressure is being placed on him to leave. It can't be pleasant for him.
Someone on here stated that someone is to go out on loan next week. If this is MD then I'd not blame him for at least changing his environment for a while rather than turn up for training every day knowing he's not wanted.
But why the management is being so intransigent I've no idea, as MD is ideally suited for a wing back role if that's the system they intend to play.
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Post by heavyglow on Aug 30, 2015 9:56:42 GMT 1
Demetriou looked very poor against Chelsea. Probably the only member of the team who you could say that about. Looked very hesitant and gave the ball away numerous times.
Clearly not his fault given he's a lower league footballer, but I don't understand those shouting about his performances in the League Cup as vindication he needs to play.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 10:02:28 GMT 1
Demetriou looked very poor against Chelsea. Probably the only member of the team who you could say that about. Looked very hesitant and gave the ball away numerous times. Clearly not his fault given he's a lower league footballer, but I don't understand those shouting about his performances in the League Cup as vindication he needs to play. Never claimed that his performances were anything more than adequate. But he does offer options in the wing back role that would at least justify him being retained in the squad. So you are quite happy with his replacement Sadler then?
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Demetriou
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 10:16:06 GMT 1
I don't understand this either. Thank Allah I'm not a football manager!
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 30, 2015 10:18:21 GMT 1
Sadler is playing on the inside, it's Brown taking the Demetriou role isn't it?? Supposedly?? And to be fair after a poor start to the game the other day he went on to do quite well.
I was prepared to give Sadler some slack at first but he doesn't seem to be getting any better does he. Quite a worry at the moment.
NKP can't get back soon enough for me, without Goldson we are completely lacking in composure with the ball at the back. Not so much Grandison, but I don't really trust any of that middle three to hold the ball and start things off. Ellis was lumping it all over the shop and Woods was having to come very deep to cover and pick the ball up yesterday.
Going back to the Demetriou situation, he did look VERY out of place against Chelsea. Not going to hold that against him, just can't believe anyone would try and claim otherwise?!
I think a lot of you must have been watching a different player to me. He was ok, just ok in lg2. He made a lot of mistakes against lower opposition and I can't see how he's the solution in Lg1.
It's easy to say the club is treating him badly but from what I've seen they have been pretty open and offered him multiple routes out. Players are discarded for all sorts of reasons, it's just part of the game.
What's happening with Vernon? Is he still here or have I missed something?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 10:25:38 GMT 1
Vernon is still here. Even more surprisingly he made the bench against Millwall. Not been seen since though.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 30, 2015 10:40:54 GMT 1
Vernon is still here. Even more surprisingly he made the bench against Millwall. Not been seen since though. We clearly havent got value for money out of Vernon so far, but unless he's on a big appearance bonus I can't see the point in letting one of our highest paid players put his feet up on a match day? If he continues to refuse to leave I think he should be used in some way. Don't get me wrong, he would have been my first choice for the door, but with a contract in his pocket he has the upper hand. Play him in the JPT and see how he goes??
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 30, 2015 11:39:32 GMT 1
I think the club needs to respect the contract, the fact is they are under contract and our players so not using them is bad business, both for the club who is wasting money and for the players who are not getting any game time
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Post by reporter on Aug 30, 2015 13:04:07 GMT 1
Maybe it has something to do with Demertriou having the same agent as Joss Ginelly, that's why the club want him out.
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 30, 2015 13:45:53 GMT 1
A young player possibly could improve with time and games. Good and getting up and down the wing. I could say these comments about Jordan Clark too
MD looks to be as good as Sadler and brown and worthy of a go - who knows he could be the answer to our left wing back but sadly we will ever find out. He has the potential to be better than who is playing (same as Clark) Should have had a chance in div 1 I hope he goes and does a Bradshaw and jacobson and is a success elsewhere
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Post by lenny on Aug 30, 2015 13:54:35 GMT 1
I think the club needs to respect the contract, the fact is they are under contract and our players so not using them is bad business, both for the club who is wasting money and for the players who are not getting any game time Technically we aren't wasting money by not playing players when we've already given them a contract. The wage budget will remain the same regardless of who we play (ignoring appearance fees and what have you). Still feel for Demetriou, hopefully he'll get a chance if performances from Brown/Sadler don't improve.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 14:15:12 GMT 1
Maybe it has something to do with Demertriou having the same agent as Joss Ginelly, that's why the club want him out. Is that a fact? Or just guesswork?
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Post by Dale on Aug 30, 2015 14:28:31 GMT 1
Maybe it has something to do with Demertriou having the same agent as Joss Ginelly, that's why the club want him out. Would the club really try to force him out because of that??
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Post by Bordershrew on Aug 30, 2015 15:19:08 GMT 1
Been offered to at least 6 clubs, and went to speak Crawley and Cambridge but didn't fancy the moves and wants to stay and fight for his place.
I was told last season he wasn't a MM signing but a RW one, seems the management team, especially the assistant, have got it on for him.
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Post by crowshrew on Aug 30, 2015 15:51:01 GMT 1
Been offered to at least 6 clubs, and went to speak Crawley and Cambridge but didn't fancy the moves and wants to stay and fight for his place. I was told last season he wasn't a MM signing but a RW one, seems the management team, especially the assistant, have got it on for him. Doesn't surprise me, as it was MJ who forced joe Jacobsen out last year . Seems he doesn't like popular left sided defenders. Management should be big enough to eat humble pie and accept the balance of the team isn't right. NKP in a back three, and Micky D in at wingback. Junior Brown or Sadler didn't try and get to the byline or overlap at all yesterday. At least they didn't in the second half when they were on the side I was watching from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 15:51:02 GMT 1
Good question. And as others have commented on here, he played against Blackpool, Norwich, Leicester and Chelsea without looking out of place. He was by far the worst player on the pitch against Chelsea, had an awful game!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 15:52:51 GMT 1
Been offered to at least 6 clubs, and went to speak Crawley and Cambridge but didn't fancy the moves and wants to stay and fight for his place. I was told last season he wasn't a MM signing but a RW one, seems the management team, especially the assistant, have got it on for him. Doesn't surprise me, as it was MJ who forced joe Jacobsen out last year . Seems he doesn't like popular left sided defenders. Yes, Jackson equates left-footedness with the devil. All the more so when the player in question happens to be popular
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Post by wimbledonshrew on Aug 30, 2015 15:55:31 GMT 1
Why did we get rid of JJ?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 30, 2015 15:59:52 GMT 1
Good question. And as others have commented on here, he played against Blackpool, Norwich, Leicester and Chelsea without looking out of place. He was by far the worst player on the pitch against Chelsea, had an awful game! Considering it was his first league season he didn't do so bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 16:05:29 GMT 1
I agree MD should be considered far more seriously as an option at LWB and probably can feel hard done by not to get a crack L1 but there's some crap been spoken on here!
1) the theory that MM never liked him - why did he play most games then?! Vincent was also on a two year deal and barely kicked a ball so if MD was a RW signing who MM didn't want why did he play him all year?
2) That idea Jackson is behind all that goes wrong irrespective of the manager in charge. Do you think MM is the sort of bloke to be told what to think? And by the way it was MJ who brought Goldson in from the cold post Turner (and has been named by plenty of players as great coach)
3) that every left back in the last few years was a world beater. I liked Jacobson but the best deal he could get afterbus was a team that just escaped relegation the year before. He's an excellent L2 left back, no more, no less. Demetriou is probably the same. I do get why people want him in the team not the stands but he was far from perfect last year.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 30, 2015 16:17:53 GMT 1
What slightly puzzles me is that it's clear we're not the type of club to flash money around, so do need to invest in coaching younger players to come through and improve through playing in the side
MD fits that criteria for me in having a good first season in league 2, and it's a puzzle he hasn't even been given a chance.
Fair enough if he had played 10 games and not done well but to have not been given any game time, especially when Sadler has struggled so much is odd
Met MD a couple of times at community events last season and he seemed an intelligent lad who really did well speaking to kids at events. Shame he's not been given a chance
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Demetriou
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 30, 2015 16:31:01 GMT 1
Perhaps we are paying too much for him? We supposedly beat off a few other clubs to sign him so I'd suggest cash may have been the decider??
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 30, 2015 16:48:37 GMT 1
Perhaps we are paying too much for him? We supposedly beat off a few other clubs to sign him so I'd suggest cash may have been the decider?? We're definitely paying him too much at present as both him & Vernon aren't being picked at all. Good that we've got so much money that we can afford to waste it
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 17:40:09 GMT 1
I'm with Paul on this one. Why pay off Gayle and yet keep MD (who can't have cost much more) on the books?
Even more so now we've banked the Ginnelly and Goldson money.
If he's completely out of MM's and MJ's plans forever then it's pointless even bringing him in for training. Is this perhaps a game of brinkmanship as to who will blink 1st? If so, then if MD has turned down numerous clubs then he'll be going nowhere, whilst at the same time we presumably don't want to pay him off if we can offload his contract elsewhere. But keeping him on the books when (as it appears to most) he'll never be getting another game is just repeating the Wildig saga.
The other point is team morale. It's been suggested on here (though who knows if it's true) that one of the reasons M. Woods may want out is the way that MD and SV have been treated. It certainly can't be good having 2 of the squad coming in every day knowing they aren't wanted and are most unlikely ever to get a game again. What's the point in even involving them in the training programme? Might as well do what Alex Ferguson did with one or two of his unwanted stars and get them to train with the youth team.
Even with Wildig, the Club never publicly said he was unwanted, though he only got 1 short substitute appearance all season. But with both MD and SV it has been made quite clear to them and us that they aren't wanted, and MW even expressed some frustration on Radio Shropshire that they've failed to move on.
The present situation is far from satisfactory, with probably loan moves being the only hope left for the Club other than grasping the nettle and paying them off..or alternatively having a change of heart and including them in their plans which doesn't seem too likely. At the moment it's 2 squad places completely wasted.
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Post by crowshrew on Aug 30, 2015 18:28:09 GMT 1
As said above, we should be a club that develops young players that will eventually make the club some money, and I'd have thought MD fitted the bill, rather than bring back a player that left us for Crawley, if my memory serves me right. Its actually very lazy management and coaching in my opinion, and says more about our coaches inability to bring on a player who showed a lot of potential.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 18:48:31 GMT 1
As said above, we should be a club that develops young players that will eventually make the club some money, and I'd have thought MD fitted the bill, rather than bring back a player that left us for Crawley, if my memory serves me right. Its actually very lazy management and coaching in my opinion, and says more about our coaches inability to bring on a player who showed a lot of potential. Sadler went to Walsall 1st for 1 year before signing for Crawley. Played in all 46 games for Walsall and all 92 in his 2 years at Crawley. However, he's 30 and of no value in the transfer market.
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