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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2015 14:49:56 GMT 1
Well, at fault for 3 of the 4 goals conceded at home, plus the penalty last night does rather put him in the frame.
Without it being Sadler's fault, he also suffers from being the replacement for MD, who was a popular member of the squad last year. That being the case, it was expected that Sadler's inclusion in the side would result in an improvement, which so far seems to have failed to materialise.
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Post by alex1993 on Aug 26, 2015 14:50:38 GMT 1
Never mind Sadler giving them away, has Leutwiler saved any penalties in a Salop top yet? #HalsteadIn
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2015 14:52:35 GMT 1
Never mind Sadler giving them away, has Leutwiler saved any penalties in a Salop top yet? #HalsteadIn Not that I know of, but the way we are going he may get plenty of practice!
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Post by alex1993 on Aug 26, 2015 14:54:37 GMT 1
Never mind Sadler giving them away, has Leutwiler saved any penalties in a Salop top yet? #HalsteadIn Not that I know of, but the way we are going he may get plenty of practice! Exactly! At least Sadler is giving him practice in a actual in game scenario. And if Jayson becomes a unbelievable penalty stopper we know who to thank
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 15:14:03 GMT 1
Actually thought Sadler had a half decent game last night and on Saturday at Oldham. But I suppose if you have a scapegoat you have to find something to slate them for....... Don't worry it won't be long before Collins gets a right mauling on here. Sadler can have a break before he gets a right slating mid Sept and then the baton will probably be passed to Barnett. All the fun of the fair on this board as per usual .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 15:15:43 GMT 1
Actually thought Sadler had a half decent game last night and on Saturday at Oldham. But I suppose if you have a scapegoat you have to find something to slate them for....... Don't worry GMT , it won't be long before Collins gets a right mauling on here. Sadler can have a break before he gets a right slating mid Sept and then the baton will probably be passed to Barnett. All the fun of the fair on this board as per usual . Still yet to see a Mellon Out post though - I think.....
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2015 19:31:34 GMT 1
Well, some of MM's team selections and strategies this season are perhaps open to question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 20:28:28 GMT 1
Don't worry GMT , it won't be long before Collins gets a right mauling on here. Sadler can have a break before he gets a right slating mid Sept and then the baton will probably be passed to Barnett. All the fun of the fair on this board as per usual . Still yet to see a Mellon Out post though - I think..... Was going to say give it time . Northwestman's latest post is almost there so ,on balance , it shouldn't be too long .
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 26, 2015 22:49:43 GMT 1
Why are people so bloody touchy on here when someone questions a players place in the team?
Sadler was, on the whole, part of a very decent defensive display against top opposition during normal time. He then gave away the ball...and a penalty. Costing us the tie. Personally last night won't be a night to form opinions on anyone, they all gave their all and good it was too!
However, the lad has been one of our poorer players since day one. He's given away two spot kicks, booted the ball into the stands at regular intervals and has been far too easily beaten by his man. Up until now I don't think he's been very well protected by Martin Woods but the Oldham game did see improvement I thought and last night even more so, yet he was still clumsy for a man of his experience.
I believe he's slowly getting better with game time but we can ill afford to give him too much time to get up to speed so let's hope he gets there sharpish. And yes, he gave away 3 or 4 penalties the last time he was here, I remember that too. Scapegoat my arse. Rightly questioned but worth another chance or two, but Mickey certainly deserves at least a look in/opportunity to step in at some point after his efforts last season.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 27, 2015 0:22:01 GMT 1
Why are people so bloody touchy on here when someone questions a players place in the team? Sadler was, on the whole, part of a very decent defensive display against top opposition during normal time. He then gave away the ball...and a penalty. Costing us the tie. Personally last night won't be a night to form opinions on anyone, they all gave their all and good it was too! However, the lad has been one of our poorer players since day one. He's given away two spot kicks, booted the ball into the stands at regular intervals and has been far too easily beaten by his man. Up until now I don't think he's been very well protected by Martin Woods but the Oldham game did see improvement I thought and last night even more so, yet he was still clumsy for a man of his experience. I believe he's slowly getting better with game time but we can ill afford to give him too much time to get up to speed so let's hope he gets there sharpish. And yes, he gave away 3 or 4 penalties the last time he was here, I remember that too. Scapegoat my arse. Rightly questioned but worth another chance or two, but Mickey certainly deserves at least a look in/opportunity to step in at some point after his efforts last season. Thank god I'm not the only one to remember his penalty proneness in League 2!!
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 27, 2015 1:08:41 GMT 1
I thought we were unlucky with the 2 pen's last night. The 1st was very harsh. OK the 2nd was a pen if you don't count the hand ball by the Palace player just be for he was pulled down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 7:30:33 GMT 1
So what about Grandison's mistake in the build up to the pen? Or does he get a free pass because he does step overs?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2015 10:24:58 GMT 1
So what about Grandison's mistake in the build up to the pen? Or does he get a free pass because he does step overs? No, not at all. I reckon even Leutwiler has been at fault (1st goal against Chesterfield). Tootle, Ogogo, Lawrence, Grandison, even Goldson (1st goal against Millwall) have also been culpable. But Sadler quite comfortably tops the list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:28:38 GMT 1
So what about Grandison's mistake in the build up to the pen? Or does he get a free pass because he does step overs? No, not at all. I reckon even Leutwiler has been at fault (1st goal against Chesterfield). Tootle, Ogogo, Lawrence, Grandison, even Goldson (1st goal against Millwall) have also been culpable. But Sadler quite comfortably tops the list. Jesus Christ. Ok.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 29, 2015 17:07:37 GMT 1
Should have picked up Duffy in the box, another costly mistake from Mr Sadler today against burton.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 7:25:20 GMT 1
Should have picked up Duffy in the box, another costly mistake from Mr Sadler today against burton. Or Tootle shouldn't have let the bloke cut inside him so easily to put the cross in Or Grandison should have cleared it better moments before Very easy to see what you want to see to suit your agenda
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 8:06:08 GMT 1
Tootle the main culprit for that goal.
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Post by camdenshrew on Aug 30, 2015 8:13:38 GMT 1
I think it's as others have said - Tootle had clearly tired by that stage. The bench should have seen this - as Hasselbaink clearly did because he sent on his speedy sub to exploit it.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 8:37:19 GMT 1
I think it's as others have said - Tootle had clearly tired by that. The bench should have seen this - as Hasselbaink clearly did because he sent on his speedy sub to exploit it. Spot on. Whereas our use of substitutes was too unimaginative and too late, Hasselbaink's changes were well thought out and ultimately won him the game. MM acknowledged on Radio Shropshire that some of his players may have been tired after Tuesday. If that was the case, why leave it so late to make changes, and then restrict these to a straight swap of the two front players? Why leave his third substitute unused?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 8:51:35 GMT 1
Some good comments on this thread but I don't get those whose analysis comprises of "watch a replay of the last goal conceded, chose someone to blame, announce they are the reason we lost, declare they are rubbish". It's a team game, and we're a third division team, we'll make mistakes but trying to point the finger every time seems pointless. No problem with a reasoned discussion on strengths and weaknesses, whose playing well and who ain't, but the blame thing I don't get.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 30, 2015 8:58:24 GMT 1
Some good comments on this thread but I don't get those whose analysis comprises of "watch a replay of the last goal conceded, chose someone to blame, announce they are the reason we lost, declare they are rubbish". It's a team game, and we're a third division team, we'll make mistakes but trying to point the finger every time seems pointless. No problem with a reasoned discussion on strengths and weaknesses, whose playing well and who ain't, but the blame thing I don't get. Agree. These things happen sadly. I could say if the useless linesman by the East stand had given an offside a couple of minutes before the whole play of the game would have been different. But he didn't because he was nowhere near play (not for the first time) and it doesn't alter what the end result was. Have to also agree about the subs. If he could see they were tiring why not do something particularly with another game on Tuesday?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 9:03:51 GMT 1
Some good comments on this thread but I don't get those whose analysis comprises of "watch a replay of the last goal conceded, chose someone to blame, announce they are the reason we lost, declare they are rubbish". It's a team game, and we're a third division team, we'll make mistakes but trying to point the finger every time seems pointless. No problem with a reasoned discussion on strengths and weaknesses, whose playing well and who ain't, but the blame thing I don't get. We've brought in 2 full backs, neither of whom seems comfortable with the wing back system. So initially we start the season with a flat back four with four in midfield and two up front. When we then decide to go back to 3 5 2 we realise that with Gayle paid off and MD told to clear off that we haven't now got the personnel to play this. So we come up with a dog's breakfast of a solution by moving Sadler inside, playing Tootle as a wing back and Brown as a left sided midfield player. This unbalances the side and also results in Tootle becoming so tired that he's unable to adequately defend in the 90th minute.
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Post by yorkshrew on Aug 30, 2015 9:43:24 GMT 1
For me this is down to poor management, average players brought in, dis-harmony with 2 players frozen out and chopping and changing formations without having the right players.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 30, 2015 10:16:08 GMT 1
For me this is down to poor management, average players brought in, dis-harmony with 2 players frozen out and chopping and changing formations without having the right players. A brave statement Yorkshrew. Put on your tin hat and prepare for the deluge of flack which will now inevitably come your direction.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 30, 2015 15:43:14 GMT 1
For me this is down to poor management, average players brought in, dis-harmony with 2 players frozen out and chopping and changing formations without having the right players. Think this is a little harsh but has an element of truth to it Still puzzled why the 3-5-2 formation of last season got dropped so quickly. And replacements brought in don't on the face of it seem as versatile. We then seem to have brought in 3-4 players who haven't really improved the team whilst also freezing out existing squad members, which is equally puzzling if money is tight Had Grandison and AA not resigned the squad would look short on quality
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 30, 2015 16:53:39 GMT 1
For me this is down to poor management, average players brought in, dis-harmony with 2 players frozen out and chopping and changing formations without having the right players. Think this is a little harsh but has an element of truth to it Still puzzled why the 3-5-2 formation of last season got dropped so quickly. And replacements brought in don't on the face of it seem as versatile. We then seem to have brought in 3-4 players who haven't really improved the team whilst also freezing out existing squad members, which is equally puzzling if money is tight Had Grandison and AA not resigned the squad would look short on quality Not to mention starting the season with a narrow diamond midfield which was the replaced by the 532 again, both of which systems mean 2 or 3 summer signings don't fit in
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 8:54:56 GMT 1
Should have picked up Duffy in the box, another costly mistake from Mr Sadler today against burton. Brown failed to pick up Duffy. Sadler was responsible for a good bit of defending before the goal. Sorry if that spoils anyone's scapegoating like.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 31, 2015 9:55:25 GMT 1
Should have picked up Duffy in the box, another costly mistake from Mr Sadler today against burton. Brown failed to pick up Duffy. Sadler was responsible for a good bit of defending before the goal. Sorry if that spoils anyone's scapegoating like. Totally agree. You can see Lawrence shouting at Brown in the video. Sadler got the ball out of the area after the 1st cross was put in. Tootle then made a dogs breakfast of defending against the Burton substitute and Brown failed to pick up Duffy. Sadler totally blameless this time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 10:11:38 GMT 1
Brown failed to pick up Duffy. Sadler was responsible for a good bit of defending before the goal. Sorry if that spoils anyone's scapegoating like. Totally agree. You can see Lawrence shouting at Brown in the video. Sadler got the ball out of the area after the 1st cross was put in. Tootle then made a dogs breakfast of defending against the Burton substitute and Brown failed to pick up Duffy. Sadler totally blameless this time.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 31, 2015 10:20:25 GMT 1
Why the surprise? I've never claimed that Sadler was responsible for the Duffy goal.
Just the penalty against Millwall, both goals against Chesterfield and the penalty against Crystal Palace.
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