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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 10:13:38 GMT 1
I couldn't agree more. Let's hope that RW does!
MW said on Sky only this morning that bringing in a rich benefactor with a couple of hundred thousand would solve the JLAA and JG situation.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 4, 2015 10:27:30 GMT 1
When the news was first reported about the budget being tight MW was also looking for further investment into the club; I guess through new board members, sponsorship deals – which we’ve seen announced with the new Bandara Stand and continued investment from Salop Leisure, yet it is seemly not enough…in particular the lack of new board members. Also at the FP MW confirmed that the sale of advertising boards around the ground was being done by a third party company who would 'sell the lot' unlike our in-house commercial dept that managed 3 West Stand facing boards last season. So an increase in revenue? Be interesting to see if they're all taken up.... I had a call from this company... no idea where they got my number from. Why they thought I was in a position to say that the company I work for could fund a board even less idea! I would have loved to make the call to head office in the states and explain to a yank why i needed 5k to give to Shrewsbury Town! Still at least they were trying!
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Post by sussexshrew on Aug 4, 2015 12:51:03 GMT 1
I hate seeing what does seem a bit of a shambles. And I don't like what I see as buck-passing. It's not the managements fault; it's that nasty Vernon and Demetriou for thinking a contract means something, especially when you have been exemplary employees, doing your best for the club both on the field and in the community.
We had a record breaking defense last year, which instead of being given a chance to grow further together as a unit, has been reshaped with players apparently incapable of playing our most successful system, and who in pre-season games have, at times, played... "as though they had never met before".
And we are sweating on whether we can play two all action, all heart players, who we know would play a big part in our season, because we preferred first to sign players much more likely to see the bench than grass.
I was looking forward to the new season so much, but these shenanigans are taking a good deal of the gloss from it.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 12:51:51 GMT 1
It's Tuesday afternoon. And still no news re JLAA and JG.
Surely the only option now is to dip into RW's reserve fund and pay off MD, SV and JC?
The alternative is to start the season with 3 players who have been told in no uncertain terms they aren't wanted, and without two who are!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 12:56:46 GMT 1
How much have shrewsTRUST got?!
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 12:57:11 GMT 1
I hate seeing what does seem a bit of a shambles. And I don't like what I see as buck-passing. It's not the managements fault; it's that nasty Vernon and Demetriou for thinking a contract means something, especially when you have been exemplary employees, doing your best for the club both on the field and in the community. We had a record breaking defense last year, which instead of being given a chance to grow further together as a unit, has been reshaped with players apparently incapable of playing our most successful system, and who in pre-season games have, at times, played... "as though they had never met before". And we are sweating on whether we can play two all action, all heart players, who we know would play a big part in our season, because we preferred first to sign players much more likely to see the bench than grass. I was looking forward to the new season so much, but these shenanigans are taking a good deal of the gloss from it. Apparently, according to another contributor on here, MM and Flitcroft created a similar situation at Barnsley, signing players on high wages on 2 year contracts which ate up the budget, leaving the new manager in a very difficult position when these players weren't wanted. Flitcroft seems to be continuing to operate the same way at Bury!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 12:57:45 GMT 1
Shame Halstead is injured as we could of got him off the books.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 13:01:20 GMT 1
I trust Ellis has been working hard with Goldson.
You couldn't make the present situation up. 4 days to go and we are grubbing around trying to find a solution. Millwall must be rubbing their hands.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:03:26 GMT 1
I trust Ellis has been working hard with Goldson. You couldn't make the present situation up. Millwall must be rubbing their hands. Ellis and Goldson are OK together.
What did MW say on Sky?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 13:05:39 GMT 1
I trust Ellis has been working hard with Goldson. You couldn't make the present situation up. Millwall must be rubbing their hands. Ellis and Goldson are OK together.
What did MW say on Sky?
Click on my link on the 92 live thread on here.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:09:11 GMT 1
I've never felt so unprepared going into a season since, well the last time we were in League One and started our first game with no-goal Tom Bradshaw and Jon Marsden up front for us.
This is a situation of farcical proportions. However it does appear that the club put all its eggs in one basket expecting both Goldson and Woods to leave the club during the summer.
Now we're in a position where we're probably looking at flogging someone off on the cheap to bring in two players that at the beginning of the summer were offered contracts to stay.
Must be a way of releasing some equity somewhere to cover the £75k or so it would probably cost to cover the salaries of these two. Peanuts really when you consider the money RW has spent in the past on duds like Elder, Constable and Glyn Garner.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:11:21 GMT 1
How true was the rumours that JG failed a medical at Birmingham City?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:12:04 GMT 1
Does it put a slightly different angle on it in that they were offered contracts but were advised by agents not to sign yet? I think this what MW has said in his interview.
I am even more confused now!!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 4, 2015 13:12:07 GMT 1
It's Tuesday afternoon. And still no news re JLAA and JG. Surely the only option now is to dip into RW's reserve fund and pay off MD, SV and JC? The alternative is to start the season with 3 players who have been told in no uncertain terms they aren't wanted, and without two who are! Pay off JC?? Who is that?? When did another unwanted player come up???
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:17:06 GMT 1
James Caton.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:18:08 GMT 1
The public flogging of Demetriou and Vernon has been regrettable.
Like I've said on another thread, we're the first to bemoan how there's no loyalty left in the game when someone like Ginnelly and his agent hold us to ransom but this is another example of the clubs fairly appalling treatment of its players.
Vernon you can understand, he's probably fifth in the pecking order but Demetriou was one of our most consistent performers last season. To want to dispose of him so easily as well as leaving us incredibly vulnerable in that position beggars belief really. At least let him compete for his shirt back.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:18:31 GMT 1
Caton has got the 'hint' he needs to leave hence been on trial at clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:18:50 GMT 1
I seem to be the only one that isn't overly concerned at what is happening. Yes it is frustrating but to be honest our whole transfer & contract policy over the summer has seemed frustrating as there's been that much contradictory information coming from the club.
In terms of the two players we want to bring in, I said repeatedly that I wasn't concerned if JLAA was released as doubted whether he was good enough for L1 and others have said the same. We have Collins, Barnett Maclinden, Vernon who can play up front so it's not like we are struggling for options. Likewise defensively we have Ellis & Goldson who can play on Saturday and then NKP to come back, so whilst I'd be happy for Jermaine to come back, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't IMO.
People have been suggesting the club have fcuked up over the two year deals offered last season but its prety obvious that a one year deal is less likely to attract the players to sign. Similarly people seem to be suggesting we had been relying on selling Woods or Goldson but where is the evidence that is the case?
Yes the situation isn't ideal but it's nice knowing that we still have plenty of options and won't be relying on numerous loan signings to cover gaps in the first team
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 13:19:26 GMT 1
It's Tuesday afternoon. And still no news re JLAA and JG. Surely the only option now is to dip into RW's reserve fund and pay off MD, SV and JC? The alternative is to start the season with 3 players who have been told in no uncertain terms they aren't wanted, and without two who are! Pay off JC?? Who is that?? When did another unwanted player come up??? James Caton
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:20:41 GMT 1
I know it was only against Market Drayton but as I recall Vernon hit a hat trick against them, clearly wants to stay I'd imagine and earn his place in the squad at that time.
However what we can't do is make them scapegoats, both clearly decent pros.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:21:09 GMT 1
The public flogging of Demetriou and Vernon has been regrettable. Where has there been the public flogging? Most people have said they are under no obligation to move on and I've seen plenty of people suggesting they have been treatedly badly by Mellon/the club. Ginnelly is the only one I've seen on the end of lots of abuse
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:24:11 GMT 1
I seem to be the only one that isn't overly concerned at what is happening. Yes it is frustrating but to be honest our whole transfer & contract policy over the summer has seemed frustrating as there's been that much contradictory information coming from the club. In terms of the two players we want to bring in, I said repeatedly that I wasn't concerned if JLAA was released as doubted whether he was good enough for L1 and others have said the same. We have Collins, Barnett Maclinden, Vernon who can play up front so it's not like we are struggling for options. Likewise defensively we have Ellis & Goldson who can play on Saturday and then NKP to come back, so whilst I'd be happy for Jermaine to come back, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't IMO. People have been suggesting the club have fcuked up over the two year deals offered last season but its prety obvious that a one year deal is less likely to attract the players to sign. Similarly people seem to be suggesting we had been relying on selling Woods or Goldson but where is the evidence that is the case? Yes the situation isn't ideal but it's nice knowing that we still have plenty of options and won't be relying on numerous loan signings to cover gaps in the first team Agree with that, we have seen people moaning on here before about only offering one year deals in the past.
As annoying as the current issues are two year deals cover us just as much as if was a one year deal and they flopped and could bin them off after a season.
I mean who in May at Cheltenham would of been moaning about MD being on a two year deal rather than one?
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 4, 2015 13:27:53 GMT 1
Interesting comments from mW today
Still can't get my head around why this happened
We wanted to keep the players, offered deals, didn't get answers, so moved on to sign other players instead, but seemingly the ones signed weren't actually replacements for jg or Aa, and still want them. Explains why it was so late on in the summer that Gayle, mickey and Vernon weren't told they could go - it was in mid July that happened rather than at same time as wildig
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 4, 2015 13:30:46 GMT 1
I seem to be the only one that isn't overly concerned at what is happening. Yes it is frustrating but to be honest our whole transfer & contract policy over the summer has seemed frustrating as there's been that much contradictory information coming from the club. In terms of the two players we want to bring in, I said repeatedly that I wasn't concerned if JLAA was released as doubted whether he was good enough for L1 and others have said the same. We have Collins, Barnett Maclinden, Vernon who can play up front so it's not like we are struggling for options. Likewise defensively we have Ellis & Goldson who can play on Saturday and then NKP to come back, so whilst I'd be happy for Jermaine to come back, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't IMO. People have been suggesting the club have fcuked up over the two year deals offered last season but its prety obvious that a one year deal is less likely to attract the players to sign. Similarly people seem to be suggesting we had been relying on selling Woods or Goldson but where is the evidence that is the case? Yes the situation isn't ideal but it's nice knowing that we still have plenty of options and won't be relying on numerous loan signings to cover gaps in the first team Catch 22 - offer 2 yr deals and honour them or only offer a 1 yr deal and miss-out on signings because they want more security. It may be better moving forward clubs offer a 2 yr deal but the option for player or club to cancel after one year with minimal payment needed to 'get them off the books'. As per MW interview earlier on Sky - clubs cannot wait for players to sign contracts they've been offered. MM wanted to tie down players he targeted to give us more flexibility and make us more competitive in league 1 and therefore there's a risk the out of contract players may miss out. What's still odd is that both JG and JLAA are happy to be part of the photo shoot, play in friendlys and still not be certain of a contract. Risky for them as much as it is an anxious time for the club trying to sign them.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:32:34 GMT 1
I seem to be the only one that isn't overly concerned at what is happening. Yes it is frustrating but to be honest our whole transfer & contract policy over the summer has seemed frustrating as there's been that much contradictory information coming from the club. In terms of the two players we want to bring in, I said repeatedly that I wasn't concerned if JLAA was released as doubted whether he was good enough for L1 and others have said the same. We have Collins, Barnett Maclinden, Vernon who can play up front so it's not like we are struggling for options. Likewise defensively we have Ellis & Goldson who can play on Saturday and then NKP to come back, so whilst I'd be happy for Jermaine to come back, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't IMO. People have been suggesting the club have fcuked up over the two year deals offered last season but its prety obvious that a one year deal is less likely to attract the players to sign. Similarly people seem to be suggesting we had been relying on selling Woods or Goldson but where is the evidence that is the case? Yes the situation isn't ideal but it's nice knowing that we still have plenty of options and won't be relying on numerous loan signings to cover gaps in the first team Catch 22 - offer 2 yr deals and honour them or only offer a 1 yr deal and miss-out on signings because they want more security. It may be better moving forward clubs offer a 2 yr deal but the option for player or club to cancel after one year with minimal payment needed to 'get them off the books'. As per MW interview earlier on Sky - clubs cannot wait for players to sign contracts they've been offered. MM wanted to tie down players he targeted to give us more flexibility and make us more competitive in league 1 and therefore there's a risk the out of contract players may miss out. What's still odd is that both JG and JLAA are happy to be part of the photo shoot, play in friendlys and still not be certain of a contract. Risky for them as much as it is an anxious time for the club trying to sign them. Which again shows how much they actually want to stay at the club and play for us.
That's nice to see.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 4, 2015 13:35:12 GMT 1
As unusual as the situation may be for us, it is just two players we are talking about... Two players who we had thought we'd lost earlier in the summer. JLAA was going to Plymouth and Grando to Brum...
Are we unprepared? No, I don't think so.
I'd like to get Jermaine in ASAP obviously, but I don't think the situation leaves us completelly crocked if nothing comes off.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 4, 2015 13:37:11 GMT 1
Catch 22 - offer 2 yr deals and honour them or only offer a 1 yr deal and miss-out on signings because they want more security. It may be better moving forward clubs offer a 2 yr deal but the option for player or club to cancel after one year with minimal payment needed to 'get them off the books'. As per MW interview earlier on Sky - clubs cannot wait for players to sign contracts they've been offered. MM wanted to tie down players he targeted to give us more flexibility and make us more competitive in league 1 and therefore there's a risk the out of contract players may miss out. What's still odd is that both JG and JLAA are happy to be part of the photo shoot, play in friendlys and still not be certain of a contract. Risky for them as much as it is an anxious time for the club trying to sign them. Which again shows how much they actually want to stay at the club and play for us.
That's nice to see.
just hope that get the chance to play in blue and amber again. Credit to them. Also credit to MD and SV who whether it's better financially for them or not, want to stay and fight for a place.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2015 13:40:00 GMT 1
But meantime, MD, SV and JC have been told in no uncertain terms that they aren't wanted and have to co-operate and leave without being paid up in order to accommodate JLAA and JG. Hardly good for morale, and I doubt the rest of the squad are over impressed by the way they've been treated. They may perhaps have been offered lowish payments to move on, but I wouldn't blame them for rejecting them when Gayle and Vincent have presumably been paid appropriate sums to get off the books.
All in all, a complete mess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:41:43 GMT 1
Another point worth mentioning is its a different approach to GT. He waited for Collins to make a decision and the subsequent tribunal, by which point most players had been snapped up.
He also waited a long time for a mystery striker to sign for us, again when he turned us down most players had been snapped up meaning we started the season with Marsden & Bradshaw up front.
I believe Mellon offered contracts which the players didn't sign straightaway but hasn't sat around waiting for them.
Yes it's not ideal but we are in a far better position than our previous spells on L1
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 4, 2015 13:43:14 GMT 1
But meantime, MD, SV and JC have been told in no uncertain terms that they aren't wanted and have to co-operate and leave without being paid up in order to accommodate JLAA and JG. Hardly good for morale, and I doubt the rest of the squad are over impressed by the way they've been treated. They may perhaps have been offered lowish payments to move on, but I wouldn't blame them for rejecting them when Gayle and Vincent have presumably been paid appropriate sums to get off the books. All in all, a complete mess. That's another fair point of what in impact this would have on the rest of the squad.
It's not like someone is doing a 'Winston Bogarde' at Chelsea.
All the players in this will have mortgages to pay etc.
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