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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 9:39:44 GMT 1
Is going nowhere. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/08/01/towns-scott-vernon-happy-to-fight-for-place/?Methinks MW and MM won't be too happy with this. And I get the distinct impression that Demetriou feels the same way as Vernon. So where are we now with the JLAA and JG signings? It's looking increasingly the case that we are having to put all our eggs into one basket - the money received for Ginnelly. Vernon - "I'm under contract for another season so that's what I intend to do until told otherwise." Which translated presumably means, pay me off or I'm going nowhere.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 1, 2015 9:46:13 GMT 1
If he prefers league 1 he's therfore less likely to move to league 2
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 9:48:47 GMT 1
If he prefers league 1 he's therfore less likely to move to league 2 He was offered a 2 year contract by the Division 2 Club. And he was more than happy to join a Division 2 Club last year. That article suggests that Vernon isn't interested in going anywhere else whilst he's under contract with us 'until told otherwise' (i.e. is paid off). Whatever Division. Am beginning to think he may have the same agent as Ginnelly!
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 1, 2015 9:55:32 GMT 1
One week to millwall - it looks a bit of a cock up - signing lots of players but not getting JG and JLAA signed up. Anybody's guess what the next seven days will bring.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 1, 2015 9:59:53 GMT 1
But he was offered the contract in the firm belief by everyone at the club that they would be a League 1 club in the following season and luckily that happened.
My memory tells me that Scott Vernon was the player who gave MM a gentleman's agreement that he would sign for us when he returned from holiday and he did. MM made quite a thing about it at the time. At the very least he should be expecting to be treated the same now. To be honest I am very disappointed in MM re this.
Also, we only need a couple of early injuries amongst our strikers (heaven forbid) and we will need Scott Vernon.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 1, 2015 10:20:24 GMT 1
Don't see too much wrong with what Vernon has said. In his heart of hearts he probably knows he isn't going to get many games and is surplus to requirements, but while he is still with us is going to do his best to get back in the side
Have no problem with players under contract with us turning down deals else where. It's a cut throat world and if he gets paid more sitting on our bench can't blame him for that
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 10:21:52 GMT 1
Best of luck to the guy. No doubt when he signed his contract he had to move from Aberdeen to Shrewsbury then buy/rent somewhere around here with all the incumbent costs associated with that. Why the hell should he make alternative plans to suit the club? The revolving doors spin fairly fast at GM but then the majority of those do not have the luxury of a contract to defend themselves with. I do wish that all these people making judgments about Demetriou and Vernon as well as Ginelly would take a step back and refrain from being judge and jury on every titbit of information. It only takes half a dozen people to trot out a " definite fact" and then its gospel.
Ginelly is a human being, a young man who in the years to come has to make a living. He may be better staying at STFC but then if he does and it all goes tits up where does that leave him? Why not climb the ladder elsewhere?
They say that there isnt or shouldnt be any sentiment in football well that cuts both ways. Well done Vernon for putting a spoke in the alleged plans.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 10:32:34 GMT 1
None of which excuses Ginnelly and his agent's total lack of courtesy towards STFC.
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 10:49:56 GMT 1
None of which excuses Ginnelly and his agent's total lack of courtesy towards STFC. Why do you have this obsession with the lad's lack of courtesy? The player is out of contract. He has been offered a new one. He has decided not to take it. Why is he obligated to tell them anything? He has left the club. He is seeking greener pastures elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 10:51:02 GMT 1
Is going nowhere. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/08/01/towns-scott-vernon-happy-to-fight-for-place/?Methinks MW and MM won't be too happy with this. And I get the distinct impression that Demetriou feels the same way as Vernon. So where are we now with the JLAA and JG signings? It's looking increasingly the case that we are having to put all our eggs into one basket - the money received for Ginnelly. Vernon - "I'm under contract for another season so that's what I intend to do until told otherwise." Which translated presumably means, pay me off or I'm going nowhere. Vernon knows his opportunities will be limited, he probably thinks he will bide his time to find the right contract in his interests rather than sign for the first league 2 club that comes along, and rightly so. The same goes with Demetriou!
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 1, 2015 10:57:49 GMT 1
None of which excuses Ginnelly and his agent's total lack of courtesy towards STFC. Why do you have this obsession with the lad's lack of courtesy? The player is out of contract. He has been offered a new one. He has decided not to take it. Why is he obligated to tell them anything? He has left the club. He is seeking greener pastures elsewhere. Well taking out of the equation his lack of courtesy, surely one of the reasons he should keep the club informed is because they hold his registration.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 11:00:50 GMT 1
None of which excuses Ginnelly and his agent's total lack of courtesy towards STFC. Why do you have this obsession with the lad's lack of courtesy? The player is out of contract. He has been offered a new one. He has decided not to take it. Why is he obligated to tell them anything? He has left the club. He is seeking greener pastures elsewhere. It's called standards. And to not even be prepared to answer the phone when MM called him displays a complete lack of them on the part of his agent. And bearing in mind that MW and MM are trying to square the circle with regard to the signatures of JLAA and JG it would have been reasonable to have kept them informed as to Ginnelly's intentions so that they could factor him into their calculations rather than being left with an unsigned contract and no idea as to his whereabouts.
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 11:04:41 GMT 1
Eventually the enigma surrounding Grandison and AA will be revealed. If these two were really wanted by Birmingham City, Coventry and Plymouth, why are they playing for Shrewsbury in a succession of pre season friendlies?. Maybe because the interest was not there in the first place? It was all speculation by messageboards and the local media as so much really is.
I cannot believe that the agents for Grandison & AA is allowing his player to carry on playing for the Town without the luxury of a contract. Do you think that because of the stance by Vernon et al that the club will shake hands with AA and Grandison and say "sorry boys" and ask them to leave? No doubt its a done deal.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 11:07:13 GMT 1
Is going nowhere. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/08/01/towns-scott-vernon-happy-to-fight-for-place/?Methinks MW and MM won't be too happy with this. And I get the distinct impression that Demetriou feels the same way as Vernon. So where are we now with the JLAA and JG signings? It's looking increasingly the case that we are having to put all our eggs into one basket - the money received for Ginnelly. Vernon - "I'm under contract for another season so that's what I intend to do until told otherwise." Which translated presumably means, pay me off or I'm going nowhere. Vernon knows his opportunities will be limited, he probably thinks he will bide his time to find the right contract in his interests rather than sign for the first league 2 club that comes along, and rightly so. The same goes with Demetriou!
That being the case, do you perhaps regard MW and MM's tactics of trying to get players off the books in order to be in the position to sign JLAA and JG as a high risk strategy that is possibly misguided?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 11:10:08 GMT 1
Eventually the enigma surrounding Grandison and AA will be revealed. If these two were really wanted by Birmingham City, Coventry and Plymouth, why are they playing for Shrewsbury in a succession of pre season friendlies?. Maybe because the interest was not there in the first place? It was all speculation by messageboards and the local media as so much really is. I cannot believe that the agents for Grandison & AA is allowing his player to carry on playing for the Town without the luxury of a contract. Do you think that because of the stance by Vernon et al that the club will shake hands with AA and Grandison and say "sorry boys" and ask them to leave? No doubt its a done deal. Someone on here suggested that they are paid by the Football League until July 31st. Whether that is correct I have no idea. But now it's August 1st, so surely we should expect a statement from the Club soon. If it's a done deal, then why the delay?
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 11:12:56 GMT 1
Why do you have this obsession with the lad's lack of courtesy? The player is out of contract. He has been offered a new one. He has decided not to take it. Why is he obligated to tell them anything? He has left the club. He is seeking greener pastures elsewhere. It's called standards. And to not even be prepared to answer the phone when MM called him displays a complete lack of them on the part of his agent. And bearing in mind that MW and MM are trying to square the circle with regard to the signatures of JLAA and JG it would have been reasonable to have kept them informed as to Ginnelly's intentions so that they could factor him into their calculations rather than being left with an unsigned contract and no idea as to his whereabouts. Shrewsbury Town, we are led to believe, have been told by the players' agent that he will not resign for the club. Shrewsbury Town also have the added luxury that he is way under the Bosman age and can demand a fee. Unless his manager sends him to play for a European or non league club, Shrewsbury have full control of the players' destiny. Northwestman, with all due respect, you have taken over from our esteemed Atcham Jack as the permanent incessant contributor on this board with views on absolutely everything. May I suggest that you find other things to moan about , maybe go for a walk or a swim. If the actions of an 18 year old causes you so many problems you may wish to consider anti-depressants in the near future.
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 11:15:04 GMT 1
Eventually the enigma surrounding Grandison and AA will be revealed. If these two were really wanted by Birmingham City, Coventry and Plymouth, why are they playing for Shrewsbury in a succession of pre season friendlies?. Maybe because the interest was not there in the first place? It was all speculation by messageboards and the local media as so much really is. I cannot believe that the agents for Grandison & AA is allowing his player to carry on playing for the Town without the luxury of a contract. Do you think that because of the stance by Vernon et al that the club will shake hands with AA and Grandison and say "sorry boys" and ask them to leave? No doubt its a done deal. Someone on here suggested that they are paid by the Football League until July 31st. Whether that is correct I have no idea. But now it's August 1st, so surely we should expect a statement from the Club soon. If it's a done deal, then why the delay? Why should you expect a statement? Are you a shareholder?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 11:16:03 GMT 1
It's called standards. And to not even be prepared to answer the phone when MM called him displays a complete lack of them on the part of his agent. And bearing in mind that MW and MM are trying to square the circle with regard to the signatures of JLAA and JG it would have been reasonable to have kept them informed as to Ginnelly's intentions so that they could factor him into their calculations rather than being left with an unsigned contract and no idea as to his whereabouts. Shrewsbury Town, we are led to believe, have been told by the players' agent that he will not resign for the club. Shrewsbury Town also have the added luxury that he is way under the Bosman age and can demand a fee. Unless his manager sends him to play for a European or non league club, Shrewsbury have full control of the players' destiny. Northwestman, with all due respect, you have taken over from our esteemed Atcham Jack as the permanent incessant contributor on this board with views on absolutely everything. May I suggest that you find other things to moan about , maybe go for a walk or a swim. If the actions of an 18 year old causes you so many problems you may wish to consider anti-depressants in the near future. That comment was totally uncalled for. And you know as well as I do that it's only in the last week or so that the Club has had any communication with that agent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:28:36 GMT 1
That comment was totally uncalled for. And you know as well as I do that it's only in the last week or so that the Club has had any communication with that agent. But who really cares?? it was evident back in May he would not sign, STFC are playing the game as is young Josh.... not surprised / concerned by any of this, can almost guarantee that if Ryan Woods or Connor Goldson are on the way out, its already a done deal.... you worry to much about things out of your control, and expect the impossible on club statements...
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 11:31:39 GMT 1
No I didnt know and, quite frankly I dont give a toss.
By the way, how do you know? Was it on Blue and Amber? Was it in the Shropshire Star or was it something you discussed personally with RW, MW or MM?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:33:23 GMT 1
Barry..... who was that aimed at? as it makes little sense without a reference to a previous post?
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Post by barrygarlow on Aug 1, 2015 11:39:24 GMT 1
Barry..... who was that aimed at? as it makes little sense without a reference to a previous post? It referred to the comment made by another contributor who made the following comment. And you know as well as I do that it's only in the last week or so that the Club has had any communication with that agent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:41:02 GMT 1
Barry..... who was that aimed at? as it makes little sense without a reference to a previous post? It referred to the comment made by another contributor who made the following comment. And you know as well as I do that it's only in the last week or so that the Club has had any communication with that agent. There is always a difference it what a club says publicly and what actually goes on, people sometimes forget that its not just a football team, but also a business
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:47:47 GMT 1
Vernon knows his opportunities will be limited, he probably thinks he will bide his time to find the right contract in his interests rather than sign for the first league 2 club that comes along, and rightly so. The same goes with Demetriou!
That being the case, do you perhaps regard MW and MM's tactics of trying to get players off the books in order to be in the position to sign JLAA and JG as a high risk strategy that is possibly misguided? To some extent yes, MM has probably made a misjudgement and signed a number of midfielders expecting Woods to have gone. Also I am not sure Sadler is a much better option than Demetriou, but we will see during the season, I might be proven wrong with that one!
I think a deal will be done with Ginnelly / Burnley in the next few days plus RW will sort something to get JLAA and JG over the line if needed.... will probably just mean MM will see less of any future transfer money we might receive for Goldson and Woods.
I still think Demetriou and Vernon may have something to offer!
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2015 11:54:12 GMT 1
Well, no disputing that Demetriou is better going forward whereas Sadler is better defensively from what we saw of him when he was on a season's loan here.
Certainly gives us options if we want to play the wing back system if MD stays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:56:26 GMT 1
It's called standards. And to not even be prepared to answer the phone when MM called him displays a complete lack of them on the part of his agent. And bearing in mind that MW and MM are trying to square the circle with regard to the signatures of JLAA and JG it would have been reasonable to have kept them informed as to Ginnelly's intentions so that they could factor him into their calculations rather than being left with an unsigned contract and no idea as to his whereabouts. Shrewsbury Town, we are led to believe, have been told by the players' agent that he will not resign for the club. Shrewsbury Town also have the added luxury that he is way under the Bosman age and can demand a fee. Unless his manager sends him to play for a European or non league club, Shrewsbury have full control of the players' destiny. Northwestman, with all due respect, you have taken over from our esteemed Atcham Jack as the permanent incessant contributor on this board with views on absolutely everything. May I suggest that you find other things to moan about , maybe go for a walk or a swim. If the actions of an 18 year old causes you so many problems you may wish to consider anti-depressants in the near future. Why do you have to start slinging mud just because you disagree with someone? Anyway you argued against yourself as you say that Shrewsbury have FULL control but, as you quite rightly say, this is not the case. As you are a newcomer a little respect is called for. Perhaps you have the same agent as Ginnelly
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 12:01:39 GMT 1
Is going nowhere. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/08/01/towns-scott-vernon-happy-to-fight-for-place/?Methinks MW and MM won't be too happy with this. And I get the distinct impression that Demetriou feels the same way as Vernon. So where are we now with the JLAA and JG signings? It's looking increasingly the case that we are having to put all our eggs into one basket - the money received for Ginnelly. Vernon - "I'm under contract for another season so that's what I intend to do until told otherwise." Which translated presumably means, pay me off or I'm going nowhere. Certainly looks like the club has taken a high risk strategy that is in danger of not paying off. However, if the club are that keen to keep JG & JLAA then did they actually need to bring in Whalley, McKnight and Brown so soon into the preseason before the JG & JLAA situation was resolved? Which of these 5 players are the most important to the success of the club this season? As for Scott Vernon, if you do want to stay then prove that you have it in you to make a real contribution to our campaign this season. You did it at Aberdeen, time to do it for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 12:07:50 GMT 1
Eventually the enigma surrounding Grandison and AA will be revealed. If these two were really wanted by Birmingham City, Coventry and Plymouth, why are they playing for Shrewsbury in a succession of pre season friendlies?. Maybe because the interest was not there in the first place? It was all speculation by messageboards and the local media as so much really is. I cannot believe that the agents for Grandison & AA is allowing his player to carry on playing for the Town without the luxury of a contract. Do you think that because of the stance by Vernon et al that the club will shake hands with AA and Grandison and say "sorry boys" and ask them to leave? No doubt its a done deal. Hopefully the club will clarify the position in respect of both JG & JLAA in the coming days to bring an end to all this speculation.
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Post by sussexshrew on Aug 1, 2015 12:29:29 GMT 1
I agree with one or two posters that MM's halo has slipped over some of the recruitment dealings. I feel that we should have signed Grandison and JLAA first, and then seen if outgoing players freed funds for the signing of some of those new fringe players who I feel are a long way from 1st team action... whereas JG and AA clearly are.
I also like the attitude of Vernon and Micky D, who do want to stay at the club because they feel that they can fight their way back into contention... and have every right to expect a contract to be honoured.
I just hope that merit decides if they are right, and we don't see them shut out because of spitefulness from the management. That effervescent team spirit was a big factor last year, and I would hate to see it eroded.
Also I worry that there are suggestions that the new defenders can't play within our successful 3-5-2 system. Well considering Tootle and Sadler are supposed to be better than what we had... I find that amazing. And made no less worrying by the observation of one of the MBer who attended the Kidderminster match, that our defenders played "as though they had never met" as the National League side, despite not scoring, over-ran us in the first half.
Hopefully the gamble may pay off and Burnley up their offer for young Josh.... and we can sign JG and AA wthout showing dishonour to Vernon and MD. But I don't think we should be in this position with such a short time to the start of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 12:45:14 GMT 1
Cannot see either Sadler or Demetriou playing much when NKP is fully fit, and never rated Sadler as a full- back when he was in his first spell with us. Tootle needs to show vast improvement if he is to play RB, so as far as the new full back pairings go we have not done too well. I would have signedd Grandison as a priority, and maybe kept Vernon on as cover, and then filled in around them. Seems a bit ass about face to me.
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