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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 11:59:12 GMT 1
"MD has been told he can leave, along with James Caton and possibly another player."
That other player surely has to be Halstead.
But I get the distinct impression that whatever MM may have said to him, that MD does not want to leave. MM has said that Tootle, Sadler, NKP and Brown are ahead of him in the pecking order, but if I was MD I'd only look at Sadler as being the threat. Tootle will play RB, NKP will be left side of central defence, whilst Brown will play wide midfield.
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Post by victorsboots on Jul 28, 2015 12:18:16 GMT 1
If MM says he's fifth in line for a left back spot then fifth he is. The squad would be better off with JG signed up at the expense of a fringe player like MD appears to be. Wish the lad good luck I thought he did well for his first league season but he did have some defensive problems - I thought bury away they targeted his side as a weakness. Plymouth I think went through his wing easy too Sadler doesn't look as good going forward but hopefully he'll be a steady left back doing good defensive work. Come on you blues.
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Post by billynomates on Jul 28, 2015 12:33:46 GMT 1
So this begs the question that if Town had not won promotion would Demetriou have been regarded as the best man for the job and not faced with being unwanted?
Ginelly on the other hand couldnt give a flying **** about the Town and is still in the position of being offered a new contract (allegedly)
Why should players show any loyalty when the club do this to established players?
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Post by camdenshrew on Jul 28, 2015 12:50:37 GMT 1
"MD has been told he can leave, along with James Caton and possibly another player." That other player surely has to be Halstead. But I get the distinct impression that whatever MM may have said to him, that MD does not want to leave. MM has said that Tootle, Sadler, NKP and Brown are ahead of him in the pecking order, but if I was MD I'd only look at Sadler as being the threat. Tootle will play RB, NKP will be left side of central defence, whilst Brown will play wide midfield. In his interview, MM says Halstead is injured. I still think Vernon might be in his sights - especially if he still wants JLAA to re-sign.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2015 12:57:46 GMT 1
very true, the thing about JLAA is he can play a few different roles, you need players like that.
He won't get us 20 goals in League 1 but I'd imagine he'd chip in with ten given the game time.
Would make financial sense getting rid of Vernon then and Caton and keeping JLAA.
Issue is, IF it's Vernon who could leave who would want him?
Must be on a fair wack to move down from Aberdeen.
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Post by bigbear17 on Jul 28, 2015 12:58:40 GMT 1
I do feel for md he's been a great clubman off the pitch! As well as giving his all on the pitch. Admittedly mm did say in several interviews last year the md was a working progress, obviously now we got promoted that has gone out of the window! I agree with an earlier post you can't have sentiment in football & mm is payed to make these tough decisions and if it's more rewarding for the club down the road for md to play his football elsewhere then as a fan that's what I want for this football club! We are trying to better ourselves every season and it's exactly what I want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 13:07:30 GMT 1
If MM says he's fifth in line for a left back spot then fifth he is. The squad would be better off with JG signed up at the expense of a fringe player like MD appears to be. Wish the lad good luck I thought he did well for his first league season but he did have some defensive problems - I thought bury away they targeted his side as a weakness. Plymouth I think went through his wing easy too Sadler doesn't look as good going forward but hopefully he'll be a steady left back doing good defensive work. Come on you blues. They might have targeted him at Bury but if they did it came to nought apart from a once in a lifetime goal from their full back which Demetriou could not possibly have prevented. Aside from that, they created nothing against a Shrewbury side lacking both Woods and Goldson. Plymouth I accept, but by all accounts it was their best perfotmance of the season against a side that were already promoted. More fool Sheridan for not playing that XI in the play-offs.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 28, 2015 13:08:09 GMT 1
If MM says he's fifth in line for a left back spot then fifth he is. The squad would be better off with JG signed up at the expense of a fringe player like MD appears to be. Wish the lad good luck I thought he did well for his first league season but he did have some defensive problems - I thought bury away they targeted his side as a weakness. Plymouth I think went through his wing easy too Sadler doesn't look as good going forward but hopefully he'll be a steady left back doing good defensive work. Come on you blues. Our preferred formation last season, and the one that suited the team best was a 532, with wing backs. Those wing backs have to be good going forward for system to work, so Sadler will have to learn Unless we're dropping that system
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 13:16:37 GMT 1
If MM says he's fifth in line for a left back spot then fifth he is. The squad would be better off with JG signed up at the expense of a fringe player like MD appears to be. Wish the lad good luck I thought he did well for his first league season but he did have some defensive problems - I thought bury away they targeted his side as a weakness. Plymouth I think went through his wing easy too Sadler doesn't look as good going forward but hopefully he'll be a steady left back doing good defensive work. Come on you blues. They might have targeted him at Bury but if they did it came to nought apart from a once in a lifetime goal from their full back which Demetriou could not possibly have prevented. Aside from that, they created nothing against a Shrewbury side lacking both Woods and Goldson. Plymouth I accept, but by all accounts it was their best perfotmance of the season against a side that were already promoted. More fool Sheridan for not playing that XI in the play-offs. There was also that shocking goal scored by the Tranmere full-back against us at Prenton Park when Demetriou failed to control the ball and set it up on a plate. He didn't perform too well at Wycombe either so I'm led to believe. Sharpe was brought in to replace him at Morecambe shortly afterwards.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 13:18:33 GMT 1
If MM says he's fifth in line for a left back spot then fifth he is. The squad would be better off with JG signed up at the expense of a fringe player like MD appears to be. Wish the lad good luck I thought he did well for his first league season but he did have some defensive problems - I thought bury away they targeted his side as a weakness. Plymouth I think went through his wing easy too Sadler doesn't look as good going forward but hopefully he'll be a steady left back doing good defensive work. Come on you blues. Our preferred formation last season, and the one that suited the team best was a 532, with wing backs. Those wing backs have to be good going forward for system to work, so Sadler will have to learn Unless we're dropping that system I think we might be dropping that system as Tootle doesn't seem to be a natural wing back either.
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Post by JohnG on Jul 28, 2015 13:54:39 GMT 1
Our preferred formation last season, and the one that suited the team best was a 532, with wing backs. Those wing backs have to be good going forward for system to work, so Sadler will have to learn Unless we're dropping that system I think we might be dropping that system as Tootle doesn't seem to be a natural wing back either. It's looking like starting the season with a back 4 from the pre-season games so far and the players brought in. Unfortunately for MD, he has dropped down the pecking order with Sadler the obvious 1st choice at LB.
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Post by onthepitch on Jul 28, 2015 13:57:00 GMT 1
Sounds like there's plenty of interest from clubs wanting to take on MD, so he'll no doubt get fixed up soon and be better off than he would be in the Salop wilderness. I doubt he'll even make the bench if he stays. Source? Mr Mellon
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Jul 28, 2015 14:02:55 GMT 1
A tough decision but another one I feel MM has got right.
Good luck to Mickey
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Jul 28, 2015 14:24:07 GMT 1
Classic example of why MM is the best manager we've had in years! Considerate, loyal when he needs to be and ruthless when has to be for the sake of the club etc. Who can remember the cack of ex-Hereford players a la Purdie we had to endure in League one when we knew they were conference standard at best. Very refreshing and what this club needs if they have genuine aspirations to chase Championship football in the coming years not the yo-yo'ing tag that friends/colleagues have tarnished my club with.
Good luck Mickey D wherever you end up, solid if not spectacular.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 14:57:33 GMT 1
They might have targeted him at Bury but if they did it came to nought apart from a once in a lifetime goal from their full back which Demetriou could not possibly have prevented. Aside from that, they created nothing against a Shrewbury side lacking both Woods and Goldson. Plymouth I accept, but by all accounts it was their best perfotmance of the season against a side that were already promoted. More fool Sheridan for not playing that XI in the play-offs. There was also that shocking goal scored by the Tranmere full-back against us at Prenton Park when Demetriou failed to control the ball and set it up on a plate. He didn't perform too well at Wycombe either so I'm led to believe. Sharpe was brought in to replace him at Morecambe shortly afterwards. Rather unfair to single him out and itemise his mistakes when you could do the same for all the back 4/5 without exception. Sharpe had the one good game at Morecambe and then produced a display at home that was worse than anything Demetriou did all season.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 15:07:41 GMT 1
Just giving some examples of why MM has reservations about him. In all honesty, I'm not 100% convinced about Ellis either, and assume that if CG and JG are still here on 8th August, that he'll be on the bench.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 28, 2015 15:20:54 GMT 1
A tough decision but another one I feel MM has got right. Good luck to Mickey He got it wrong last season offering a two year deal rather than 1 year with a further option of a 2nd year
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2015 15:33:22 GMT 1
Just giving some examples of why MM has reservations about him. In all honesty, I'm not 100% convinced about Ellis either, and assume that if CG and JG are still here on 8th August, that he'll be on the bench. Why? Ellis was a rock last season!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 15:51:32 GMT 1
Ellis did have a period when he made one or two silly mistakes, though overall I agree that he had a good season.
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 28, 2015 21:28:57 GMT 1
There was also that shocking goal scored by the Tranmere full-back against us at Prenton Park when Demetriou failed to control the ball and set it up on a plate. He didn't perform too well at Wycombe either so I'm led to believe. Sharpe was brought in to replace him at Morecambe shortly afterwards. Rather unfair to single him out and itemise his mistakes when you could do the same for all the back 4/5 without exception. Sharpe had the one good game at Morecambe and then produced a display at home that was worse than anything Demetriou did all season. I'm with you Wombat. If every defender's mistakes were spotlighted and were cause for off-loading, there would be no defenders left in the world. Ellis gifted a goal last week with a howler, and it sounds as though he was lucky not to do the same again tonight. MD was part of that record breaking defense, and going forward, he scored some hugely important late goals with those surging runs at the back post with his passionate determination to get us a result. Also I feel he still had scope for further improvement as the side went up the ladder, whereas with Tootle and Sadler, I feel that where they are is what you get. Sadler may be a more solid defender but I can't see him thrusting his head in where angels fear to head in the same way MD did... and to be honest, although I know he is back after a long lay off, I am not impressed with Tootle at all. While Junior Brown is well, like, you know... a mystery. Last season, as well as playing some fine football at times, we rode to promotion on the back of a team spirit that is rarely seen. That team spirit is already being eroded when, as it seems certain, MD goes, making it two of the driving forces of that enthusiasm depart. If their replacements are much better... then fine... but if they are no better than equal, then colourful, bubbling characters win for me every time. Worrying for me is the idea that the new defenders wouldn't fit into our most successful 3-5-2 formation, and so we will have to change it. What?? Does that make them better? Still hey-ho... Collins has hit the net again, and that is encouraging, as we finish the stronger of the sides after an iffy 1st half against Kiddy. It would be nice if McAlinden could show some form.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2015 21:41:07 GMT 1
Rather unfair to single him out and itemise his mistakes when you could do the same for all the back 4/5 without exception. Sharpe had the one good game at Morecambe and then produced a display at home that was worse than anything Demetriou did all season. I'm with you Wombat. If every defender's mistakes were spotlighted and were cause for off-loading, there would be no defenders left in the world. Ellis gifted a goal last week with a howler, and it sounds as though he was lucky not to do the same again tonight. MD was part of that record breaking defense, and going forward, he scored some hugely important late goals with those surging runs at the back post with his passionate determination to get us a result. Also I feel he still had scope for further improvement as the side went up the ladder, whereas with Tootle and Sadler, I feel that where they are is what you get. Sadler may be a more solid defender but I can't see him thrusting his head in where angels fear to head in the same way MD did... and to be honest, although I know he is back after a long lay off, I am not impressed with Tootle at all. While Junior Brown is well, like, you know... a mystery. Last season, as well as playing some fine football at times, we rode to promotion on the back of a team spirit that is rarely seen. That team spirit is already being eroded when, as it seems certain, MD goes, making it two of the driving forces of that enthusiasm depart. If their replacements are much better... then fine... but if they are no better than equal, then colourful, bubbling characters win for me every time. Worrying for me is the idea that the new defenders wouldn't fit into our most successful 3-5-2 formation, and so we will have to change it. What?? Does that make them better? Still hey-ho... Collins has hit the net again, and that is encouraging, as we finish the stronger of the sides after an iffy 1st half against Kiddy. It would be nice if McAlinden could show some form. Think you reading too much into friendlies mate....
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Jul 28, 2015 21:47:48 GMT 1
A tough decision but another one I feel MM has got right. Good luck to Mickey He got it wrong last season offering a two year deal rather than 1 year with a further option of a 2nd year MD was a key player in our promotion from League Two, he may well not have signed a 1 year deal.
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 28, 2015 22:23:11 GMT 1
Think Mellon's got this wrong. Though Sadler's probably first choice, MD is a more than capable back up who could learn from Sadler. Rather him than Brown who is a bit of a journeyman winger/ full back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 9:26:49 GMT 1
Still hey-ho... Collins has hit the net again, and that is encouraging, as we finish the stronger of the sides after an iffy 1st half against Kiddy. It would be nice if McAlinden could show some form. Despite a couple of goals it's Collins IMO that is out of form, not Macalinden, who again impressed me last night. Collins ability to find the net has always been his salvation and he was charging around like a bull after scoring last night, but his all round play leaves a lot to be desired at the moment.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 29, 2015 17:51:36 GMT 1
Good luck to mickey d at where ever he ends up at.
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Post by crowshrew on Jul 29, 2015 20:07:31 GMT 1
Disappointed with this, as I feel Micky D is a more attacking option than sadler, who didn't do much at Rotherham. I suspect the mike Jackson influence has come into play again, as I understand it was him that didn't think Jacobsen was a tough enough defender last season. Can't quite understand why we've signed so many journeymen midfield players, leaving us unable to re sign Grandison and JLAA..maybe MM thought Woods would be gone by now. One things for sure, the club needs to sell someone, and get others off the books, as its loosing money. We can't afford a big squad, with the 60% wages to turnover rule. We won't get a big increase in gates, unless we're near the top of the league, as a lot of our support can take it, or leave it if we have a poor run of form. I suspect it's squeaky bum time in the boardroom right now!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 29, 2015 20:19:41 GMT 1
Disappointed with this, as I feel Micky D is a more attacking option than sadler, who didn't do much at Rotherham. I suspect the mike Jackson influence has come into play again, as I understand it was him that didn't think Jacobsen was a tough enough defender last season. Can't quite understand why we've signed so many journeymen midfield players, leaving us unable to re sign Grandison and JLAA..maybe MM thought Woods would be gone by now. One things for sure, the club needs to sell someone, and get others off the books, as its loosing money. We can't afford a big squad, with the 60% wages to turnover rule. We won't get a big increase in gates, unless we're near the top of the league, as a lot of our support can take it, or leave it if we have a poor run of form. I suspect it's squeaky bum time in the boardroom right now! Disagree, away attedances will boost numbers, especially when so many local games. Likes of Port Vale, Crewe and Walsall for example.
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Post by crowshrew on Jul 29, 2015 20:32:20 GMT 1
Possibly, but still think we can't afford to have such a big squad.I still think Woods or Goldson will be sold, its a case of waiting for others in higher leagues to move on. I think Micky D could've been utilised further up the pitch, as a left sided midfield player or as back up centre half, and he's at the right age to improve. Guess its all about opinions!
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 1, 2015 19:43:15 GMT 1
So MD has been made available for loan...
Given that he came to us as a non league player with no league experience and he now has 40odd Lg2 games under his belt plus a promotion. I'd of thought he'd be better off financially if he took a reasonable payoff plus whatever new Lg2 deal he could arrange?
How long before he wishes he took one of those offers? ... I wonder where he'll end up now?
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