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Post by northwestman on Jul 4, 2015 13:34:30 GMT 1
Any chance we can now retain JLAA as a squad player?
I've heard that he's been joining in pre-season training.
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 4, 2015 15:53:58 GMT 1
Re his fitness: yes he had a recurrence of a chronic knee problem, which is why he spent time out and time on the bench, but he did have surgery to correct it, and came back ahead of schedule... even though 90 minutes of play were considered beyond him. Knight-Percival and Wesolowski had more acute injuries and also spent most of our season not playing. And they too of course have had surgery. But at the moment, until they play, we have little idea of how fit for full time action they will be.
Now if Mellon has medical evidence and advice that Mangan's operation was not successful and that he would get little game time next season, then he was right not to re-sign him. And if he knew that, I could understand not making that public, as he didn't want to impede Mangan getting another club, although morally he should have warned other clubs of any such knowledge.
However I presume that Tranmere gave him a stringent medical which he must have passed, even with caveats to wrap him up a little.
Anyway we will soon see whether Mangan, NK-P and Weso have come out of their operations well.
My concern is who will be this replacement to placate us all, that MM today said he has in his sights. I scour the lower leagues and I don't see one comparing with Mangan we could afford. Mellon has already kept his powder dry by not saying if it will be a permanent signing or a loanee.
If it is a loanee, then I really will be disappointed. Firstly they are only here for a while, and secondly, they don't, and why should they, have passion about playing for Shrewsbury.
That is why one of my favourite Mango moments was when we scored the late winner against Stevenage, and he came running down the tunnel from the treatment table to celebrate. I don't see a loan signing doing that.
Plus I was level with the penalty spot at Dagenham and watched Grant putting it through to Mango for that wonder goal... and then Mango ghosting past the defenders along the bye-line to win the late penalty and with it the match.
And his performance against Hartlepool was all you could want from a striker. Firstly beating the defence out wide, cutting in and slotting home, then the one-two with Collins which produced for me our classiest goal of the season... followed by clever positioning in the box and an inch-perfect header for the third.
And against Chelsea, when that chance fell to him, you knew if there was one player you wanted it to fall to, it was Mangan.
Add a couple of iffy disallowed goals to the mix, and I think he did more than just score a couple of memorable goals in helping us to the promotion he celebrated so joyously. And yes he was a "nice bloke": his bubbly enthusiasm for what we were doing was infectious. But, Matron, I think you are being a bit dismissive of us who are really sad that he isn't with us as just being swayed by him being a "nice bloke".
I remain unhappy about this decision for football reasons. For me, it feels like a Pugh, Bradshaw, Ainsworth moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 18:01:23 GMT 1
Except Pugh, Bradshaw and Ainsworth play at a similar level or higher.
If Mangan had a knee that could be trusted for 46 games he'd be here or somewhere similar.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jul 5, 2015 17:34:18 GMT 1
Great signing for you.
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Post by Dale on Jul 5, 2015 17:51:06 GMT 1
Don't get the Mangan love in. Scored a couple of memorable goals but was injured for the best part of the season so how he managed such a hero status I'll never know. Probably because the goals he scored were memorable ones as you have said (against Leicester and Chelsea and that amazing volley at Dagenham) but also he was a damn nice bloke who seemed to have time for any Salop supporter who would approach him (he wasn't the only one last season to be fair though) and quite frankly was mad as a hatter! (But in a nice way) I think supporters love a 'character' as many players take football too seriously these days and don't seem to express their character as in comparison to previous decades...
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Post by Kie on Jul 6, 2015 2:00:14 GMT 1
Don't get the Mangan love in. Scored a couple of memorable goals but was injured for the best part of the season so how he managed such a hero status I'll never know. Probably because the goals he scored were memorable ones as you have said (against Leicester and Chelsea and that amazing volley at Dagenham) but also he was a damn nice bloke who seemed to have time for any Salop supporter who would approach him (he wasn't the only one last season to be fair though) and quite frankly was mad as a hatter! (But in a nice way) I think supporters love a 'character' as many players take football too seriously these days and don't seem to express their character as in comparison to previous decades... Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 7:40:21 GMT 1
I would have preferred Mangan get another year here but I think the reaction to his departure is a bit over the top. MM clearly didn't see him as first choice and had problems with his injury record, so offered a contract taking these things into consideration. Also lets not forget that Mangan has spent a lot of his career around Conference level, plus there's a lot of decent teams down there so maybe he isn't quite as amazing signing for Tranmere as people seem.
Like I say I would have liked him to stay another year, but it's not a disaster and good luck to the bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 11:33:01 GMT 1
Don't get the Mangan love in. Scored a couple of memorable goals but was injured for the best part of the season so how he managed such a hero status I'll never know. Probably because the goals he scored were memorable ones as you have said (against Leicester and Chelsea and that amazing volley at Dagenham) but also he was a damn nice bloke who seemed to have time for any Salop supporter who would approach him (he wasn't the only one last season to be fair though) and quite frankly was mad as a hatter! (But in a nice way) I think supporters love a 'character' as many players take football too seriously these days and don't seem to express their character as in comparison to previous decades... I don't disagree with any of that matey, but maybe mm wants to try and sign a really nice bloke who can also play regular first team football? I get Sussex's point about injuries to, and this time next year if Wes and NKP have only played a handful of games each with a further handful of 20 minute appearances I expect them to be off too! We don't the luxury of paying (relatively) big wages to players who can't fulfil their primary role!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 11:34:40 GMT 1
Don't get the Mangan love in. Scored a couple of memorable goals but was injured for the best part of the season so how he managed such a hero status I'll never know. Probably because the goals he scored were memorable ones as you have said (against Leicester and Chelsea and that amazing volley at Dagenham) but also he was a damn nice bloke who seemed to have time for any Salop supporter who would approach him (he wasn't the only one last season to be fair though) and quite frankly was mad as a hatter! (But in a nice way) I think supporters love a 'character' as many players take football too seriously these days and don't seem to express their character as in comparison to previous decades... \ \ I don't disagree with any of that matey, but maybe mm wants to try and sign a really nice bloke who can also play regular first team football? \ \ I get Sussex's point about injuries to, and this time next year if Wes and NKP have only played a handful of games each with a further handful of 20 minute appearances I expect them to be off too! \ \ We don't the luxury of paying (relatively) big wages to players who can't fulfil their primary role!}
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 6, 2015 11:57:59 GMT 1
I agree with that matron, and perhaps MM did have the inside knowledge that Mangan would have been too much of an injury gamble.
That's why I asked: " do we want him to play 40 games for Tranmere and score 28 goals."
Most of us, because we like him, do want that.
But if he does, and the much vaunted replacement is a duff, who at best warms the bench while watching two or three loan signings get the nod before him... there will be rumblings of Bradshawian dimensions!
So yes, I agree... but... really nice blokes aren't always easy to find. And really good strikers are even harder to find... So finding a really nice bloke who is also a super striker is like finding a truffle in your back garden.
And re loan signings: Mikael Mandron... wtf was that all about?
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 6, 2015 12:01:39 GMT 1
Could we sign Carli LLoyd.... great striker... and sure to be popular in the dressing room!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 12:20:08 GMT 1
I would have preferred Mangan get another year here but I think the reaction to his departure is a bit over the top. MM clearly didn't see him as first choice and had problems with his injury record, so offered a contract taking these things into consideration. Also lets not forget that Mangan has spent a lot of his career around Conference level, plus there's a lot of decent teams down there so maybe he isn't quite as amazing signing for Tranmere as people seem. Like I say I would have liked him to stay another year, but it's not a disaster and good luck to the bloke. Pretty much sums up my feeling, I can understand why people are a bit disapointed he's gone but at the same time ask yourself this. If we signed a striker from another club who was 28, had spent most of his career in non league, had never played in L1 before, was rumoured to be asking for big wages and had spent large parts of the previous season on the treatment table then how would you feel? Personally I would be underhelmed and feel that we are taking a gamble on a players fitness and his ability to play at L1.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2015 12:22:00 GMT 1
I agree with that matron, and perhaps MM did have the inside knowledge that Mangan would have been too much of an injury gamble. That's why I asked: " do we want him to play 40 games for Tranmere and score 28 goals." Most of us, because we like him, do want that. But if he does, and the much vaunted replacement is a duff, who at best warms the bench while watching two or three loan signings get the nod before him... there will be rumblings of Bradshawian dimensions! So yes, I agree... but... really nice blokes aren't always easy to find. And really good strikers are even harder to find... So finding a really nice bloke who is also a super striker is like finding a truffle in your back garden. And re loan signings: Mikael Mandron... wtf was that all about? Perhaps Mandron is one of the 25 strikers on MM's list and he wants to sign him on a season long bench loan. He certainly qualifies in having a Blackpool/Barnsley/Fleetwood connection as he has played 11 games on loan to Fleetwood! Btw, whilst researching this, I discovered that allegedly one of the reasons why MM was sacked at Fleetwood was because he had shown interest in the managerial vacancies at Blackpool and Burnley, 2 of the 3 clubs (Tranmere being the other) where he made the majority of his appearances. He's had a narrow escape if he was thinking about going to Blackpool then!
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Post by jockeyshrew on Jul 6, 2015 17:18:08 GMT 1
One hell of a signing for Tranmere! A fit, in-form Andy Mangan would easily walk into any league 2 squad!
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 18, 2015 21:39:25 GMT 1
I see Tranmere are favourites for an immediate return to League football. And that Mangan has played two 45 minutes in friendlies, scoring in both from open play. As you say Jockey-S, if his fitness returns, he is a hell of a good signing for them. There are books opened for the top scorers in all divisions of the Football League, but I haven't seen one yet on the "National League", as it is now branded. When there is betting, and as long as the odds aren't silly, I will certainly take a gamble on his fitness and have a fair few quid on him. So that way, if he does score prolifically, it will take some of the pain away!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 13:14:58 GMT 1
I see Tranmere are favourites for an immediate return to League football. And that Mangan has played two 45 minutes in friendlies, scoring in both from open play. As you say Jockey-S, if his fitness returns, he is a hell of a good signing for them. There are books opened for the top scorers in all divisions of the Football League, but I haven't seen one yet on the "National League", as it is now branded. When there is betting, and as long as the odds aren't silly, I will certainly take a gamble on his fitness and have a fair few quid on him. So that way, if he does score prolifically, it will take some of the pain away! Odds on he'll score against us on August 1st. Get your bet on now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 13:27:52 GMT 1
I'm looking forward to the Tranmere game, I hope he gets a good reception from our end.....i'm sure he will.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 20, 2015 20:10:37 GMT 1
Well done to andy mangan on his goal for tranmere rovers at the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 23:31:44 GMT 1
Well done to andy mangan on his goal for tranmere rovers at the weekend. Look out, I see Shrewsfan 1985 is warming up for the new season
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Post by MartinB on Jul 21, 2015 8:10:14 GMT 1
Well done to andy mangan on his goal for tranmere rovers at the weekend. Look out, I see Shrewsfan 1985 is warming up for the new season Only warming up as he hasn't given Andy's pre season appearances and goals totally so say it makes him a good player
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 21, 2015 15:50:02 GMT 1
Look out, I see Shrewsfan 1985 is warming up for the new season Only warming up as he hasn't given Andy's pre season appearances and goals totally so say it makes him a good player ... or the number of yellow and red cards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:13:42 GMT 1
Only warming up as he hasn't given Andy's pre season appearances and goals totally so say it makes him a good player ... or the number of yellow and red cards. I think i'll wait for official confirmation from Shrewsweb before I offer my thoughts on all this.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 21, 2015 16:14:11 GMT 1
I think he is awaiting for official confirmation from the Club 1st.
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