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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 3, 2015 8:28:48 GMT 1
You have a 20 goal plus striker there if he stays fit - if MM was serious about wanting him to stay then this is a bit worrying for our finances. Not really. He will probably be one of their top earners whilst we will be paying good money to Lawrence, Collins, Barnett, Wesolowski etc and would not have seen him as someone to throw cash at with his futness a concern and our need to getvmore bslance in the squad. Shame he has left but I brlieve we are in good shape. With regards finances I would imagine that the failureof attendances to pick up meant our projections were some way off and we are seeing that impact now. However with s still reasonably strong squad I expect a trouble free season and many local games will see attendances rise again and put us in a far stronger position next summer to build again. A line in the Shropshire star from Matt Williams about seeking external investment to boost money available; end of article. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/shrewsbury-town-fc/2015/07/01/town-part-company-with-cameron-gayle/Seems getting new investment is still a challenge and wonder what's putting investors or new board members off ? Or is more needed from commercial / sponsorship revenue streams
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 3, 2015 8:42:34 GMT 1
Dissapointed with this, unless it's down to an ongoing injury that is being kept quiet to allow Andy the best chance of getting another club? Doesn't seem a great idea starting League 1 with a less potent strike force than we had in League 2
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 3, 2015 8:49:16 GMT 1
Don't worry... A new striker will arrive
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 3, 2015 8:57:58 GMT 1
Really disappointed with the news as Mangan most certainly could have been effective for us in L1. A great signing for Tranmere and will certainly help in a big way to get back to the FL at the first attempt
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Post by shrewblue on Jul 3, 2015 9:04:44 GMT 1
Andy Mangan was great for us and made a telling contribution on and off the field so the pressure is on for MM and MW to come up with a replacement who will make as good or better a contribution...the frustrating thing to me is how we pushed the boat out last year to get promoted which we did by spending a fair chunk of our reserve capital, but this year we have reverted to type working within the FFP rules but not spending a reduced amount of the reserve to give us an edge in quality of players...perhaps I am misunderstanding the situation..
Perhaps if the club instead of saying they are looking for external investment could quantify what £50-100k could mean to the club in terms of players an outside investor who is a keen town fan would be tempted...or indeed we could encourage and support the use fundraising mediums like "crowdfunding"...I find in life if you give people and incentive or goal they will respond!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 3, 2015 9:14:15 GMT 1
Andy Mangan was great for us and made a telling contribution on and off the field so the pressure is on for MM and MW to come up with a replacement who will make as good or better a contribution...the frustrating thing to me is how we pushed the boat out last year to get promoted which we did by spending a fair chunk of our reserve capital, but this year we have reverted to type working within the FFP rules but not spending a reduced amount of the reserve to give us an edge in quality of players...perhaps I am misunderstanding the situation.. Perhaps if the club instead of saying they are looking for external investment could quantify what £50-100k could mean to the club in terms of players an outside investor who is a keen town fan would be tempted...or indeed we could encourage and support the use fundraising mediums like "crowdfunding"...I find in life if you give people and incentive or goal they will respond! I guess 12 months ago they wanted to get players in on longer contracts and help build a settled side. Collins for example is on a 2yr deal with the option of another year. So by doing so, the budget is less for this year? Plus all contracted players got a pay rise for league 1. Also the Financial fair play rules is 60% of turnover in league 1 compared to 55% in league 2. www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.phpIt's a tough one, do you offer players all 1 year deals with the option of a 2nd year and in that way every summer it makes it easier to shuffle the squad around? Either way the club with it's attempts to get a squad of contracted players have got themselves in bit of a pickle!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:34:51 GMT 1
According to my inside contact, it was felt by the staff that Andy Mangan with his knee problem will always struggle to complete 70% of a game and will always suffer from it flaring up. Wrexham were interested but came to same conclusion. AM wanted more than a pay per play contract which Wrexham offered!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 3, 2015 10:39:38 GMT 1
According to my inside contact, it was felt by the staff that Andy Mangan with his knee problem will always struggle to complete 70% of a game and will always suffer from it flaring up. Wrexham were interested but came to same conclusion. AM wanted more than a pay per play contract which Wrexham offered! and with such a tight budget, it's a gamble the club cannot afford and would seem not being taken by league 2 clubs either if it's only Wrexham or Tranmere were interested. Tough decision but probably the right decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:45:34 GMT 1
I wanted AM to stay but it would appear the correct decision has been made. The injury is a shame for AM at 28
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:02:20 GMT 1
Good player and a likeable bloke.
However, far too injury prone. We cannot carry passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:23:55 GMT 1
According to my inside contact, it was felt by the staff that Andy Mangan with his knee problem will always struggle to complete 70% of a game and will always suffer from it flaring up. This.
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 3, 2015 11:24:38 GMT 1
And with Ginnelly gone walkabout, I thought we would have had more money to play with. Very disappointed to see Mangan go. The new striker just won't be as good... a lower league striker looking for a new club... my bad dream of a 1 in 5 goalscorer (1 in 8 last season) who will be on the bench by November is coming true.
But at the moment, despite the number of signings we have made, our strike force seems very lean. Maybe JLAA will get another year.
With our defence and midfield, I think we'll survive this year... but if we had any aspirations of challenging for higher things, we have to score goals... and we have just lost a very good "fox-in-the-box"
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Post by venceremos on Jul 3, 2015 11:31:08 GMT 1
Don't know the stats but he seemed to be much more of an impact player as a sub than a 90 minute player. Did most of his goals come in games he didn't start? Either way, I thought it was always a bit of a disappointment that he wasn't as effective when he started games as when he was a sub.
On a tight playing budget, that's too much of a risk and a luxury for us to take into League 1. I suspect the injury did for his longer term chances with us and it's telling that no other league clubs seem to have seen him as worth taking a chance on.
None of which means that he wasn't a hit with us and he built a good rapport with the fans on limited playing time. I wish him well at Tranmere.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 3, 2015 11:33:40 GMT 1
The new striker just won't be as good... a lower league striker looking for a new club... my bad dream of a 1 in 5 goalscorer (1 in 8 last season) who will be on the bench by November is coming true. ... and we have just lost a very good "fox-in-the-box" A fox in the box who spent most of last season either injured or on the bench. Isn't your nightmare that the same thing was likely to happen in League 1?
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Post by buryshrew on Jul 3, 2015 12:47:11 GMT 1
Good luck Andy. Shame, but that's football. A great guy to have around, great with the community, but at the end of the day it's fitness that matters, and to be fair, the club have nursed and treated recurring injuries throughout a whole season. They are in the best possible position to judge the potential game time over the next 12 months. The fact that there have been no league 2 takers either suggests that his fitness issues aren't a problem that's going away any time soon.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 3, 2015 12:59:53 GMT 1
In MM we trust.
He will get a replacement in.
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Post by colaboy on Jul 3, 2015 12:59:52 GMT 1
I have it on good authority that the injury he has may only permit him to play another season or two, at most (playing a lesser standard) otherwise he will do some permanent damage.
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Post by ellesmerian on Jul 3, 2015 14:12:35 GMT 1
In MM we trust. He will get a replacement in. No amount of trust pays for a quality league 1 striker when bouncing off the FFP limit. It's a bit of a worry for me
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Post by sussexshrew on Jul 3, 2015 15:11:12 GMT 1
So... do we hope that he plays 40 games and scores 25 goals... or not?
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Jul 3, 2015 15:21:17 GMT 1
So... do we hope that he plays 40 games and scores 25 goals... or not? Yes. And that at least 24 of them are against Wrexham.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 3, 2015 15:38:32 GMT 1
So... do we hope that he plays 40 games and scores 25 goals... or not? Of course I hope he does. But either way it doesn't change whatever the injury prognosis is now - and it seems it might not be good. We could be proved wrong in the long term, but I think it must be right not to risk too much on such a gamble. Worth noting that no other league clubs are willing to risk it either.
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Post by Matster on Jul 3, 2015 17:51:02 GMT 1
And with Ginnelly gone walkabout, I thought we would have had more money to play with. Very disappointed to see Mangan go. The new striker just won't be as good... a lower league striker looking for a new club... my bad dream of a 1 in 5 goalscorer (1 in 8 last season) who will be on the bench by November is coming true. But at the moment, despite the number of signings we have made, our strike force seems very lean. Maybe JLAA will get another year. With our defence and midfield, I think we'll survive this year... but if we had any aspirations of challenging for higher things, we have to score goals... and we have just lost a very good "fox-in-the-box" With the contract offered to Ginelly I assume we can't retract it unless we wish to lose any future compensation? That would mean the money is tied up with that and cannot be used to acquire other players until he officially signs for someone else.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 3, 2015 18:41:45 GMT 1
Really sorry to see him go. Scored some important goals, had a great team personality, and obviously great respect for Shrewsbury and MM.
I wish him every good luck for the future and hope he keeps fit. Whatever else Tranmere, you have a real spirited fighter on your books.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jul 3, 2015 20:38:56 GMT 1
Andy mangan did well for us when here , always appeared to give his best . I was annoyed when he got sent off at Southend but he bounced back and scored some great goals. And had the greenhous meadow rocking that night against Chelsea which I'm sure everyone there will always remember. Hope he bangs 30 goals in the conference and stays fit . Shrewsburys loss for me. Was worth another 1 year contract gamble IMO .
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Post by northwestman on Jul 3, 2015 20:59:53 GMT 1
So... do we hope that he plays 40 games and scores 25 goals... or not? If it means that Tranmere get the automatic promotion slot and Wrexham foul up the playoffs then YES.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 3, 2015 21:46:24 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 4, 2015 8:22:01 GMT 1
Tranmere fans all seem delighted with this signing.
But one or two have expressed concern over his injury record.
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Post by shrewblue on Jul 4, 2015 8:36:07 GMT 1
Good luck Andy..I can understand the clubs decision and wish AM all the best for the future he brightened our season no end and definitely was an important cog in our success both on and off the field!
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Post by lenny on Jul 4, 2015 12:29:53 GMT 1
Can only add to what others have said, really. Really likeable bloke and a good player when fit. Easily capable of doing a job at L1 level - if fit. Really hope he doesn't have too many issues with fitness, but even if he doesn't make more than 20 starts and as many appearances from the bench, he still stands a chance of getting 20 goals next season at that level. More than just a poacher, too - I object to him being labelled as having a limited all-round game. Makes things happen as well as scoring.
Not sure on his starting/subs record. Got three as a started against accy and one against Leicester I can recall off the top of my head, so I doubt he scored more from the bench than starting. Probably a better goals/minutes ratio, though.
Anyway, best of luck to Mango. Sure he'll get a great reception when he returns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 13:16:09 GMT 1
Don't get the Mangan love in. Scored a couple of memorable goals but was injured for the best part of the season so how he managed such a hero status I'll never know.
I'm sure he's a nice bloke but maybe we can try and sign a nice bloke who is fit enough to play more than 20 minutes a game!
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