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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 17, 2015 16:56:30 GMT 1
29-3 mmmmmmmm
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Post by littlebluefoot on Jul 17, 2015 16:57:03 GMT 1
This is truly embarrassing
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 17, 2015 17:00:22 GMT 1
Game over.
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Post by littlebluefoot on Jul 17, 2015 17:06:06 GMT 1
Well.........an innings defeat coming up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 17:06:58 GMT 1
Well I didn't see this coming on this pitch!
Write this one off, take it on the chin and move on to Edgbaston!
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Post by lenny on Jul 17, 2015 17:29:43 GMT 1
Aussies' pitches tend to be flatter so their quicks are very good at bowling on them. Called it. Stupid, stupid decision. So glad I've not seen any of this. Doubtless there's been some poor batting though.
Lyth hasn't convinced but was the best opener in the CC by a country mile last year. Who's the next clear option? Hales? He bats at 3 red ball. I think now Ballance is failing he should be moved down the order where his technique won't be as examined, it's what Yorkshire have always said should happen. Root should end up at 3, and probably Bairstow/Ballance at 4 and 5. Bell simply can't be carried with his form with the bat and in the field, too. Don't want to get all reactionary as we have made progress over the last year, but there are still some big, big problems in the side.
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Post by vanner on Jul 17, 2015 19:16:58 GMT 1
I posted on cricinfo that I didn't think this was as bad a pitch as everyone was saying, it was just some quality batting on day 1. Bit knee jerk to talk about Lyth being replaced, he's playing his 4th test and all 4 have been against some of the finest quicks in the world. Give him the series at least, we've been far too quick to dispense of openers post Strauss. Bell on the other hand is really concerning. His 60 in the 2nd innings was a really good knock, if not a totally invaluable one. I disagree with the notion he doesn't have the stomach for the fight or the hunger to succeed anymore. I do however know he's soft as mud and needs an arm around him when he's struggling so hopefully Bayliss has realised this. Not sure I'd be calling Hales/Taylor/Hildreth (my choice) up quite yet. m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64060.html - something to help you keep the faith. Pointing got a big double, the game looked dead and buried as India slipped to 4-85 in response. Step up Dravid and Laxman...!
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Post by lenny on Jul 17, 2015 21:58:14 GMT 1
I posted on cricinfo that I didn't think this was as bad a pitch as everyone was saying, it was just some quality batting on day 1. Bit knee jerk to talk about Lyth being replaced, he's playing his 4th test and all 4 have been against some of the finest quicks in the world. Give him the series at least, we've been far too quick to dispense of openers post Strauss. Bell on the other hand is really concerning. His 60 in the 2nd innings was a really good knock, if not a totally invaluable one. I disagree with the notion he doesn't have the stomach for the fight or the hunger to succeed anymore. I do however know he's soft as mud and needs an arm around him when he's struggling so hopefully Bayliss has realised this. Not sure I'd be calling Hales/Taylor/Hildreth (my choice) up quite yet. m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64060.html - something to help you keep the faith. Pointing got a big double, the game looked dead and buried as India slipped to 4-85 in response. Step up Dravid and Laxman...! Surely Bairstow has to be the next man in this side?! I agree this isn't totally gone, but it's a pitch that will suit the Aussies down to the ground. Also agree it's not necessarily a useless pitch, and I was preaching gloomy pessimism from the start. It is, however, a pretty useless pitch for us.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2015 22:09:36 GMT 1
I'm told there is a possibility that Sunday could be a wash out.
Would certainly help!
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Post by vanner on Jul 18, 2015 2:02:25 GMT 1
I posted on cricinfo that I didn't think this was as bad a pitch as everyone was saying, it was just some quality batting on day 1. Bit knee jerk to talk about Lyth being replaced, he's playing his 4th test and all 4 have been against some of the finest quicks in the world. Give him the series at least, we've been far too quick to dispense of openers post Strauss. Bell on the other hand is really concerning. His 60 in the 2nd innings was a really good knock, if not a totally invaluable one. I disagree with the notion he doesn't have the stomach for the fight or the hunger to succeed anymore. I do however know he's soft as mud and needs an arm around him when he's struggling so hopefully Bayliss has realised this. Not sure I'd be calling Hales/Taylor/Hildreth (my choice) up quite yet. m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64060.html - something to help you keep the faith. Pointing got a big double, the game looked dead and buried as India slipped to 4-85 in response. Step up Dravid and Laxman...! Surely Bairstow has to be the next man in this side?! I agree this isn't totally gone, but it's a pitch that will suit the Aussies down to the ground. Also agree it's not necessarily a useless pitch, and I was preaching gloomy pessimism from the start. It is, however, a pretty useless pitch for us. I did put Hairston (bairstow) but my spellchecker decided it was wrong and I accidentally deleted his name from the post. Yeah I think he'll be the guy they'll go for, Taylor's form hasn't been good enough and Hales needs to keep performing in red ball cricket. I'd still go for Hildreth, I think he's a fine, fine player.
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Post by shrewblue on Jul 18, 2015 7:40:59 GMT 1
Losing the toss put us well and truly on the back foot was my first impression as it looked a batting track...but then the Aussie bowlers seemed to have caused problems no matter what...It's going to be a big day for England today and indeed tomorrow as they need to get to close of play tomorrow without losing another 16 wickets...it's going to be a tall order unless mother nature plays it's part.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 18, 2015 8:11:43 GMT 1
Have faith chaps, we are usually 3 or 4 wickets down for not many runs these days, so it's far from over. On this kind of flat track a set batsman can frustrate the bowlers, so with Cook and Stokes now in I have hope. If we can avoid the follow on we will probably escape with a draw, especially with forecasts of some heavy rain tomorrow.
Stupid preparing such a lifeless wicket though - nullifies our bowlers but you can never nullify pure pace through the air like Mitchell's. Also makes the toss so important - win the toss and you can get ahead of the game massively and put scoreboard pressure on the opposition. Not good to leave so much riding on the whim of a coin toss.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2015 8:30:56 GMT 1
Surely Bairstow has to be the next man in this side?! I agree this isn't totally gone, but it's a pitch that will suit the Aussies down to the ground. Also agree it's not necessarily a useless pitch, and I was preaching gloomy pessimism from the start. It is, however, a pretty useless pitch for us. I did put Hairston (bairstow) but my spellchecker decided it was wrong and I accidentally deleted his name from the post. Yeah I think he'll be the guy they'll go for, Taylor's form hasn't been good enough and Hales needs to keep performing in red ball cricket. I'd still go for Hildreth, I think he's a fine, fine player. I agree with you about Hildreth. Always struck me as a class player. And Justin Langer thinks so too! And how about another 31 year old to replace the bat wafting Lyth? Daryl Mitchell of Worcs. His marathon 200+ against Hampshire shows his ability to play long innings and he's improved year on year. He's had plenty of experience holding together innings whilst captaining a rapidly improving young Worcester side, and has a similar 1st class average to Tim Curtis, who was the last opener for Worcester to be picked against Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 14:09:39 GMT 1
23-2 Cooke just gone, a shocking error
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 14:11:02 GMT 1
Soon have Root in again then.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 14:50:29 GMT 1
Ballance out to Marsh 42/3. Yet another good start by England.
Lyth, Ballance and Bell must all be under threat for their places. Bairstow is already 50 not out at a run a ball at Scarborough. Must have heard the England score.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 15:32:41 GMT 1
48/4 Lyth 7 Cook 11 Ballance 14 Bell 11 (and had been dropped too!)
So, how many of Lyth, Ballance and Bell will get the chop?
With Root, Stokes, Buttler and Ali left we might as well go for the win as they are all attacking batsmen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:37:55 GMT 1
Awful , f eck Stokes so many errors by England, very poor!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 15:39:43 GMT 1
52/5. Unbelievable. They are scoring at just over 1 an over trying to save the game and what does Root do? Calls Stokes for a quick single and then Stokes doesn't run his bat in but leaves it in the air. Run out 0. Will be all over by this evening.
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Post by lenny on Jul 19, 2015 15:43:23 GMT 1
Not a single opener in the county championship who really stands out to me. Everyone on the BBC text seems to want Hales, ignoring his being a number 3 for notts this season and outperformed by Lyth last season. Lyth gets out playing shots he doesn't need to - is Hales really going to be any better at that?
I think there will be one change with Bairstow in (certainly not nailed on though), not sure for whom. Root should play at 3, surely, and I'd swap him and Ballance round as those at Yorkshire - y'know, the people who know them best, have been saying we should. Buttler's form is a worry, too, but he's got massive potential and a top attitude so should be kept around. Wood might need a rest, two tests on pitches offering little to our seamers seems to have taken its toll on him. Foottit would be my choice, Finn more likely though. Mo may also not be fit.
I don't think we need massive reactionary changes; it's the same side that thrashed them in the first test. Bell is surely shot though, a liability with the bat and it's affecting his fielding too as he's putting down catch after catch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:46:35 GMT 1
I think Lythe Bell need to be dropped for the next match as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 15:50:07 GMT 1
Old wounds being well and truly re-opened here.....which is a massive concern.
I was quite happy to take a defeat here and move on, but the manner this defeat is arriving in is going to undermine a few people in the team. Bell and Balance mainly, but what about the bowling unit....the Aussies have made them look very impotent in this test.
England trying to blame the pitch is embarrassing as it was when the Aussies tried to do that in Cardiff.
The BBC live text makes interesting reading at the moment and no-one has even mentioned KP yet!!!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 15:53:14 GMT 1
Bairstow is 80 not out at Scarborough at the moment.
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Post by lenny on Jul 19, 2015 15:56:37 GMT 1
Pietersen is a) injured and b)not the answer.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 15:57:07 GMT 1
Well, if Mitchell, Worcestershire's 31 year old captain and opening bat can take his opportunity and take 100 off a Yorkshire attack containing 4 international bowlers at Scarborough, he might just get in the frame.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 16:12:03 GMT 1
Pietersen is a) injured and b)not the answer. Agreed
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Post by Groover on Jul 19, 2015 16:20:43 GMT 1
Well, if Mitchell, Worcestershire's 31 year old captain (same age as Bairstow) and opening bat can take his opportunity and take 100 off a Yorkshire attack containing 4 international bowlers at Scarborough, he might just get in the frame. Baitstow is 25, did you mean somebody else?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 16:51:03 GMT 1
Second Test simplified:
Aus: 820/10 Eng: 415/20
Worrying times.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 19, 2015 19:27:33 GMT 1
Well, if Mitchell, Worcestershire's 31 year old captain (same age as Bairstow) and opening bat can take his opportunity and take 100 off a Yorkshire attack containing 4 international bowlers at Scarborough, he might just get in the frame. Baitstow is 25, did you mean somebody else? My error. Have corrected the post.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 19, 2015 21:04:52 GMT 1
Blimey, that was bad. Don't see how Lyth, Ballance or Bell can keep their places really, but changing three of top four in one game is hardly ideal either Anyway, thank god the tennis provided a brighter note yesterday.
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