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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 12:59:07 GMT 1
Root has got lucky here?
Just pitching outside off!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 13:17:32 GMT 1
Very good fight back from stokes and root.
Would he nice if Root didn't have to constantly be rebuilding our innings and instead just keep piling on the pressure
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 21, 2015 13:38:03 GMT 1
Root has got lucky here?
Just pitching outside off! Pitching outside off is irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 13:40:32 GMT 1
Root has got lucky here?
Just pitching outside off! Pitching outside off is irrelevant. I did mean hitting outside off honest!!!!! Even that looks quite tight!
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 21, 2015 13:43:03 GMT 1
Cook is finished for now if you ask me. If he were some kind of super skipper you might somehow be able to justify carrying him despite his ongoing inability to make scores, but he isn't. Huge liability for this series and the Ashes.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 13:52:02 GMT 1
Cook is finished for now if you ask me. If he were some kind of super skipper you might somehow be able to justify carrying him despite his ongoing inability to make scores, but he isn't. Huge liability for this series and the Ashes. And who opens instead of him? And who takes on the captaincy?
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 21, 2015 14:13:51 GMT 1
Cook is finished for now if you ask me. If he were some kind of super skipper you might somehow be able to justify carrying him despite his ongoing inability to make scores, but he isn't. Huge liability for this series and the Ashes. And who opens instead of him? And who takes on the captaincy? Well that's the problem, but it isn't really working for Cook these days so you have to try someone else at some point.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 14:20:59 GMT 1
And who opens instead of him? And who takes on the captaincy? Well that's the problem, but it isn't really working for Cook these days so you have to try someone else at some point. Personally I would give Cook at least the Ashes. I'd rather him opening the batting than two brand new openers and root doing the captaincy.
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Post by vanner on May 21, 2015 14:48:56 GMT 1
Drop cook? **** me, get a clue lads. His hundred in the Windies was special and they was 1 innings ago.
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 21, 2015 15:00:53 GMT 1
Drop cook? **** me, get a clue lads. His hundred in the Windies was special and they was 1 innings ago. His first century in Christ knows how long. And then got a massive 4 runs in the second innings, as we surrendered the game and snatched a drawn series from the jaws of victory.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:02:42 GMT 1
The fact of the matter is Strauss will not remove him until after the Ashes at the earliest.....Stokes just bowled for 92...Good knock
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:03:20 GMT 1
5 down.
Stokes impressive knock ends with an error of judgement.
Great innings though
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Post by Worceshrew on May 21, 2015 15:13:55 GMT 1
Don't want Stokes in the team - his bowling in the windies was wayward and not really threatening. At least Jordan was accurate and economical, which, allied with his excellent fielding and the fact his batting isn't far off Stokes's, means he's way ahead of him IMO. Admittedly it's easier to say this now after that brilliant knock but for me Stokesy has to play, clearly a brilliant talent who will come good and be a big player for us in the future, worth persevering with. Batting at 6 is just what he needs, if he's in at 8 he'll bat like an 8, he bats up the order for Durham and it should be the same for England. Leaves Mo at 8 which somewhat puts pressure on his bowling so he needs wickets in this series but a good reshuffle for me. Very green wicket, looking forward to watching us bowl on this.
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Post by venceremos on May 21, 2015 16:24:57 GMT 1
Lovely to have Test Match Special back - and on a sunny day too. That's proper summer, right there.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:35:05 GMT 1
Such a shame for root
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 17:33:29 GMT 1
Lovely to have Test Match Special back - and on a sunny day too. That's proper summer, right there. Agreed. Hopefully the weather will hold for the weekend...beers in the garden with TMS in the ear!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 18:26:38 GMT 1
Shame for Buttler to get out last ball of the day but another excellent knock.
Great fightback from 30-4 so overall England's day.
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Post by lenny on May 21, 2015 20:38:04 GMT 1
Don't want Stokes in the team - his bowling in the windies was wayward and not really threatening. At least Jordan was accurate and economical, which, allied with his excellent fielding and the fact his batting isn't far off Stokes's, means he's way ahead of him IMO. Admittedly it's easier to say this now after that brilliant knock but for me Stokesy has to play, clearly a brilliant talent who will come good and be a big player for us in the future, worth persevering with. Batting at 6 is just what he needs, if he's in at 8 he'll bat like an 8, he bats up the order for Durham and it should be the same for England. Leaves Mo at 8 which somewhat puts pressure on his bowling so he needs wickets in this series but a good reshuffle for me. Very green wicket, looking forward to watching us bowl on this. Happy for him to have proved me wrong today, but his batting has always been better than his bowling and with Mo still not fully convincing as a front-line test spinner, although he's better than a part-timer, then having a fourth seamer like Stokes who is still some way from test standard is just a bit of a risk for me - and the failure to take wickets vs the Windies (bar some Anderson magic) bares that out. I'm repeatedly told he has talent - and I fully agree on his batting - but I think he has a long way to go with his bowling and I suspect the best thing for developing that is for him to keep bowling in the county championship, unless we also get a consistent frontline spinner from somewhere or Mo performs consistently like he did v India. As for dropping Cook, think that's absolutely ludicrous. Averaged about 50 over the last twelve months (and higher still since he started the renaissance against India), scored at least one half century in (I think) all bar one of his last 5 tests and finally got that century monkey off his back, and one poor score suddenly means he should be dropped? Aside from his form being good, which other first class opener has shown the form that suggests they should come in? I also think his captaincy is improving; he looked much more innovative against Windies than last summer and the series draw was down to the selectors IMO - not sure if he has any say on that, but he certainly isn't in control of it.
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Post by Worceshrew on May 22, 2015 3:28:54 GMT 1
Admittedly it's easier to say this now after that brilliant knock but for me Stokesy has to play, clearly a brilliant talent who will come good and be a big player for us in the future, worth persevering with. Batting at 6 is just what he needs, if he's in at 8 he'll bat like an 8, he bats up the order for Durham and it should be the same for England. Leaves Mo at 8 which somewhat puts pressure on his bowling so he needs wickets in this series but a good reshuffle for me. Very green wicket, looking forward to watching us bowl on this. Happy for him to have proved me wrong today, but his batting has always been better than his bowling and with Mo still not fully convincing as a front-line test spinner, although he's better than a part-timer, then having a fourth seamer like Stokes who is still some way from test standard is just a bit of a risk for me - and the failure to take wickets vs the Windies (bar some Anderson magic) bares that out. I'm repeatedly told he has talent - and I fully agree on his batting - but I think he has a long way to go with his bowling and I suspect the best thing for developing that is for him to keep bowling in the county championship, unless we also get a consistent frontline spinner from somewhere or Mo performs consistently like he did v India. Part of the problem for me is the fact that we don't know who our 3rd seamer is which means we have Anderson and Broad and then two other seamers who are constantly changing. Admittedly Woakes and Finn are injured but for me we've changed it around too much, pick one of Woakes, Finn, Jordan as third seamer(Woakes for me as Finn will come later) and stick with them, this would take the pressure off Stokes' bowling as will the runs that will hopefully continue to come with him batting at 6. Convinced his bowling will come good.
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 22, 2015 7:06:18 GMT 1
Admittedly it's easier to say this now after that brilliant knock but for me Stokesy has to play, clearly a brilliant talent who will come good and be a big player for us in the future, worth persevering with. Batting at 6 is just what he needs, if he's in at 8 he'll bat like an 8, he bats up the order for Durham and it should be the same for England. Leaves Mo at 8 which somewhat puts pressure on his bowling so he needs wickets in this series but a good reshuffle for me. Very green wicket, looking forward to watching us bowl on this. Happy for him to have proved me wrong today, but his batting has always been better than his bowling and with Mo still not fully convincing as a front-line test spinner, although he's better than a part-timer, then having a fourth seamer like Stokes who is still some way from test standard is just a bit of a risk for me - and the failure to take wickets vs the Windies (bar some Anderson magic) bares that out. I'm repeatedly told he has talent - and I fully agree on his batting - but I think he has a long way to go with his bowling and I suspect the best thing for developing that is for him to keep bowling in the county championship, unless we also get a consistent frontline spinner from somewhere or Mo performs consistently like he did v India. As for dropping Cook, think that's absolutely ludicrous. Averaged about 50 over the last twelve months (and higher still since he started the renaissance against India), scored at least one half century in (I think) all bar one of his last 5 tests and finally got that century monkey off his back, and one poor score suddenly means he should be dropped? Aside from his form being good, which other first class opener has shown the form that suggests they should come in? I also think his captaincy is improving; he looked much more innovative against Windies than last summer and the series draw was down to the selectors IMO - not sure if he has any say on that, but he certainly isn't in control of it. I have to admit, Cook's recent scores are better than I had thought - averaging 41 over the last 16 innings, with one 100 and five 50s (three in the 70s, one in the 90s). Certainly I was wrong to talk of dropping him from the test side - I guess his struggles in ODI wrongly coloured my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:34:32 GMT 1
Tailend is imploding! The Burnley Lara is at the crease as Broads batting woes continue.
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Post by bertymax on May 22, 2015 11:43:31 GMT 1
Stuart Broad falls cheaply again. why is he still considered a shoe in for the team? He performs once every 10 test matches with the ball and hasn't contributed with the bat since being hit by Varan's bouncer last summer. To then tell the world he has nightmares about it was a bit dumb - although probably was the best excuse he could come up with to justify his appalling performance at the World Cup. I hope Wood performs well and puts a bit of pressure on the selectors to give the over rated golden boy a rest
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Post by Worceshrew on May 22, 2015 12:58:35 GMT 1
Wood bowling really well, had Guptil caught at slip but no ball, devastating lesson for the lad. Promising signs though
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 13:00:37 GMT 1
Looks like the right call, gutted!
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Post by bertymax on May 22, 2015 13:19:26 GMT 1
Looks like the right call, gutted! Jesus, that is marginal...still, no excuses for bowling a no ball in international cricket, all you got to do is get some part of yr foot behind that line.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 13:24:13 GMT 1
Looks like the right call, gutted! Jesus, that is marginal...still, no excuses for bowling a no ball in international cricket, all you got to do is get some part of yr foot behind that line. Hopefully lesson learnt by him now. I like the look of him though. Touching 90mph and didn't look a mug with the bat.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 14:04:15 GMT 1
Bell drops Latham just after lunch in the slips.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 14:48:09 GMT 1
England bowling attack looking very powder puff at the moment.
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Post by Worceshrew on May 22, 2015 15:16:22 GMT 1
Mo strikes! Desperately needed that, say what you like about Moeen but he's got a habit of taking important wickets.
.. And Broad gets Guptil before I can hit post, as Boycott always says, add two wickets to the score and it's a different game..
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 15:18:19 GMT 1
England bowling attack looking very powder puff at the moment. Two quick wickets drag us back into it. Ali gets Latham and Broad gets Guptill
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