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Post by SeanBroseley on May 10, 2015 21:38:07 GMT 1
The problem with all this is the reduction of the debt is not all that important. I recall that Reg told us five years ago what was in the pipeline for local government and that was under Labour spending cuts. Yet Labour have rammed ' nasty Tory Cuts' down everyones throat for the last five years, and that they were the only party that would 'save the NHS etc etc' when they were planning on doing the same anyway.................. The Coalition planned to cut more than Labour but in the five years ended up cutting about as much as Labour planned. And then in 2013 Balls committed to keeping within Coalition spending plans in 2015-2016. Labour is not an anti-austerity party. By the same token the idea that Labour's policies were a return to "old Labour" are equally false.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 23:03:33 GMT 1
Relevant in that I don't think you'll have too many takers to the question you asked in the first post. Plus if you start the ball rolling with if you think this, this or this then you are mistaken then I think any person who might well have any sort of inclination to pipe up would soon lose any appetite to do so. It gives the impression that you are very much set in your opinion and you're just looking to point out to people that they are wrong. Not abuse for sure. But then also not to discuss, not to debate but to kinda point out the error of their ways. And people aren't going to leave themselves open to that. That's why I mention I don't think too many more will take up the question. Now you may not have the intention, fair enough...but I think it can be misconstrued as such. I think that's where Downie might be coming from, at a guess like... In one.....
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 11, 2015 7:08:45 GMT 1
We were sent out and told to say things and to make an argument, if you can call it an argument, that said we are for the poor, we hate the rich – ignoring completely the vast swathes of the population who exist in between.
Said by Mandelson.
By focusing much of our rhetoric on the top 2% and the bottom 10%, the squeezed middle felt we were silent on their ambitions and insecurity.
Said by Ivan Lewis.
Perhaps the penny has finally dropped. Mind you, even if it has...when you read the reactions from last Thursday you just get the impression that a fair few people are just sick and tired of the left at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 8:05:44 GMT 1
We were sent out and told to say things and to make an argument, if you can call it an argument, that said we are for the poor, we hate the rich – ignoring completely the vast swathes of the population who exist in between.Said by Mandelson. By focusing much of our rhetoric on the top 2% and the bottom 10%, the squeezed middle felt we were silent on their ambitions and insecurity.Said by Ivan Lewis. Perhaps the penny has finally dropped. Mind you, even if it has...when you read the reactions from last Thursday you just get the impression that a fair few people are just sick and tired of the left at the moment. Do you mean the SWP or TUSC? You can't mean Labour.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 12:03:01 GMT 1
The political landscape in Wales is different again.
We have a Labour led Welsh assembly and in my neck of the woods (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) there are real concerns about the quality of our local health and social care services, delivered by NHS Wales.
During the election campaign in Wales the Conservatives were quick to criticise the performance of NHS Wales.
How much of this criticism was justified is open to debate but nonetheless in my constituency the Labour share of the vote went down as many voters defected to UKIP.
The political landscape of Wales may well change again next year when the Welsh assembly comes up for re-election. Labour are just about hanging onto power at the moment, that may well no longer be the case come this time next year.
It will be an interesting political debate in Wales over the course of the next 12 months.
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