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Post by davycrockett on Apr 26, 2015 8:03:54 GMT 1
Unbelievable decision by the Cheltenham Control yesterday to eject a Town fan for 'punching the ball back onto the pitch! The ball came over the wall beside the goal at speed when a town fan at the front simply punched it back... Unfortunately the ball struck a Cheltenham player in the face who went down like he was shot! A steward reacted against te fan but those around him defended what he'd done IT WAS AN ACCIDENT........ Unfortunately those in the control tower didn't see it that way (including our own lap-top!) and gave the order to the police to throw him out. Can't for the life of me think what rule he'd broken, If the ball's comming towards you at speed it's a natural reaction to punch it back... The police said they were just acting on controls decision to eject him and Lap-top was certainly 1 of a handful of people in the control room. Maybe not there to do more than advise but they certainly got this decision wrong between them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 8:22:58 GMT 1
Not just thrown out, arrested and charged (can't remember what with though). Hopefully common sense prevails
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 8:57:05 GMT 1
Disgusting
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 26, 2015 9:11:36 GMT 1
Are you sure proud Salopian? im sure I seen him at the end.
I didn't see the incident but if he did get nicked its very harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:16:10 GMT 1
Are you sure proud Salopian? im sure I seen him at the end. I didn't see the incident but if he did get nicked its very harsh. Yep as we waited for him to be released by the police. Didnt see the incident myself but he (and others) told me pretty much the same story as the O/P
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Post by Dancin on Apr 26, 2015 9:21:27 GMT 1
From where I was watching, high right behind the goal, it looked like that he may of caught the player on the follow through.
But like you say a complete accident.
Control box obviously must of looked at CCTV footage and made there decision from that?
Hopefully laptop will be along to give his professional opinion?
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Post by atcham jack on Apr 26, 2015 9:22:55 GMT 1
hope he has not been charged, for taking immediate reaction against having a ball in his face. there are enough witnesses that this was a pure accident surely.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 26, 2015 9:24:31 GMT 1
Indeed what did they expect him to do. The Cheltenham player, if he did make a lot of it, needs to come clean as well.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 26, 2015 9:37:25 GMT 1
Really disappointed to hear this.
If some of you saw what happened, it might be worth contacting Gloucestershire police to let them know. Would be absolutely gutting to see someone come away with a criminal record and a banning order over this.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 10:32:45 GMT 1
from my view which was less than 10 yards away the lad was actually out of his seat and leaning over the barrier, the ball was going out for a corner and about to bounce into the crowd when he leaned over and waved an arm to attempt to divert the ball towards the corner flag (which i later spotted in a birmingahm pub), the ball at close range hit the player in the face who then play acted (bit like bobby grant at bury) the stewards jumped up to attention and the lad raised his hand to apologise and i think everyone realised it was a bit of an accident at which point he started grinning about it and did so until the smile was wiped off his face
i guess CCTV was looked at and it may have been deemed that he entered the field of play but that is a bit silly as the other stand forced fans past the barrier to exit enter the stand
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Post by atcham jack on Apr 26, 2015 10:46:02 GMT 1
surely Matt Williams was co commentating and may have seen the incident and can speak to police .this needs nipping in the bud if not already done so.
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Post by WATR on Apr 26, 2015 10:46:27 GMT 1
I saw the incident and as previously described, the ball was heading into the crowd so the gentleman in question stood up and palmed the ball back onto the pitch, it could have gone absolutely anywhere but happened to brush a Cheltenham in the face. The Cheltenham player in question went down like a sack of s**t and cried off to the stewards. The gentleman seemed to apologise, and unless he happens to be a seasoned volleyball professional, the whole thing to all intents and purposes appeared to be a complete accident. Next thing he's being dragged out by police and stewards and reportedly spent the rest of his afternoon in a police cell. I would love to be in the courtroom when they try and convict him of whatever crime palming a football away supposedly is. I'm sure it will be laughed out in no time. Shame on the Cheltenham player. Shame on the stewards. Shame on the police.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 26, 2015 10:49:12 GMT 1
Indeed. If he hadn't acted as he did, the ball could have hit someone in the face causing a nasty injury and this thread could have been about someone in hospital.
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Post by WATR on Apr 26, 2015 10:53:33 GMT 1
A friend of mine has suggesting bombarding Gloucestershire Police Twitter page highlighting the absurdity of the incident. Tweet @glos_Police
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 10:54:41 GMT 1
I saw this incident, was clearly an accident, and needs to be righted. As for the Cheltenham player, he should be ashamed of himself in the way he playacted!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 11:06:36 GMT 1
A friend of mine has suggesting bombarding Gloucestershire Police Twitter page highlighting the absurdity of the incident. Tweet @glos_Police in fairness i've seen this lad do several things that he shouldn't be doing and haven't contacted the police i think karma works in strange ways at times ;-)
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Post by johnny on Apr 26, 2015 11:15:46 GMT 1
Total accident; my mates daughter was sat next to the guy and was stunned by the reaction and in particular how he was man handled out of his seat!
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Apr 26, 2015 11:30:42 GMT 1
Yep, total accident.
Had a very good view of the incident looking over from the stand alongside the pitch, would happily give a witness statement if need be.
That said if it's on CCTV then common sense should prevail.
Although this is the police we're talking about and the man in question was a football supporter. Don't rate his chances somehow.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 26, 2015 11:31:13 GMT 1
And perhaps if he hadn't acted as he did it could have been in her face.
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Post by WATR on Apr 26, 2015 11:44:32 GMT 1
A friend of mine has suggesting bombarding Gloucestershire Police Twitter page highlighting the absurdity of the incident. Tweet @glos_Police in fairness i've seen this lad do several things that he shouldn't be doing and haven't contacted the police i think karma works in strange ways at times ;-) That's not the point though, is it? I don't know what the gentleman may or may not have done in the past, all I know is that a fellow Town fan has missed out on celebrating promotion for totally unfair reasons - and that makes me very annoyed.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 26, 2015 12:03:29 GMT 1
Hopefully laptop will be along to give his professional opinion?
If there's a chance of a criminal charge, laptop is unlikely to comment.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 26, 2015 12:04:29 GMT 1
Really disappointed to hear this. If some of you saw what happened, it might be worth contacting Gloucestershire police to let them know. Would be absolutely gutting to see someone come away with a criminal record and a banning order over this. I spoke to the inspector just after the incident and gave my details as a witness... He didn't touch the player it was the ball.... One thing though if this can happen don't touch the ball if it comes into the crowd, let the ball boy climb to the place it rests cos you could get nicked if you throw it back and it hits some one ..... About to e mail Laptop cos I don't believe he did enough to stop our fan getting arrested for nothing!
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Post by callum on Apr 26, 2015 12:19:17 GMT 1
I've never seen a player arrested when they kick the ball into the crowd, sometimes harder than it needs to be.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 26, 2015 12:48:21 GMT 1
Before we all chew laptop's yed off, remember, he will only be an observer. He wouldn't have a say on who should be ejected. All he can do is advise if the person has a record of unruly behaviour.
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Post by eggyshrew on Apr 26, 2015 13:42:48 GMT 1
Thank you all very much for the support and backing i received yesterday during and after the incident. As stated and witnessed i have done no wrong and in noway tried to cause any wrong doing. Watching football is not a crime and punching a ball back certainly is not. Im shocked Mr Kettle give me a straight RED May be i should ask him for his match report.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 14:10:41 GMT 1
in fairness i've seen this lad do several things that he shouldn't be doing and haven't contacted the police i think karma works in strange ways at times ;-) That's not the point though, is it? I don't know what the gentleman may or may not have done in the past, all I know is that a fellow Town fan has missed out on celebrating promotion for totally unfair reasons - and that makes me very annoyed. the point is that its pretty obvious this incident was reviewed on CCTV, ,and what the police saw deemed sufficient at the time to remove the lad whether or not he did or didn't break any rules, the cctv footage will either clear or convict him sending in views without knowing what the facts are is pointless
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Post by vanner on Apr 26, 2015 14:16:58 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 26, 2015 14:35:02 GMT 1
I've never seen a player arrested when they kick the ball into the crowd, sometimes harder than it needs to be. Paul Edwards at I think Darlington, cautioned and had at appear at Darlington police station after ball he kicked in warm up hit a young girl..... Not taken forward though
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 26, 2015 14:37:43 GMT 1
That's not the point though, is it? I don't know what the gentleman may or may not have done in the past, all I know is that a fellow Town fan has missed out on celebrating promotion for totally unfair reasons - and that makes me very annoyed. the point is that its pretty obvious this incident was reviewed on CCTV, ,and what the police saw deemed sufficient at the time to remove the lad whether or not he did or didn't break any rules, the cctv footage will either clear or convict him sending in views without knowing what the facts are is pointless The police didn't view the CCTV, they advised they'd been asked by the club to remove him....Said it wasn't there decision....
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 26, 2015 14:41:29 GMT 1
Before we all chew laptop's yed off, remember, he will only be an observer. He wouldn't have a say on who should be ejected. All he can do is advise if the person has a record of unruly behaviour. Laptop was one of 3 /4 people in the control and I'm pretty sure the most experienced on crowd control... Your right he wasn't in charge and there probably to aid BUT surely they'd have asked his view and they'd have viewed the CCTV prior to the ejection or arrest. I couldn't have had a clearer view, maybe reputation did come into it?
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