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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 21, 2015 9:32:08 GMT 1
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Post by rylehu on Apr 21, 2015 9:37:44 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 21, 2015 9:48:04 GMT 1
I'll be travelling with two fifty plus persons and one in her 70s so we all will need to sit down - the stand up rule doesn't work for us. Why would the two 'fifty plus' have to sit down? maybe for a different reason to being 50 plus? Think your being a bit ageist here for god sake 50 ain't old nowadays
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 9:53:06 GMT 1
For me 1) Football can and should be watched either sitting or standing Is there any other alternative? Semi Recumbent perhaps? Im not going, i rarely travel, but it seems to me that when the crowd is large, enforcing designated seating is more important than ever, more so than when there is only a hundred or so milling round in a stand of thousands. The poll only represents a tiny fraction (my maths if awful, but @ 3% of those going on saturday) so to impose the view of B&As finest on the other 1550 attending saturday would be imo wrong. There is little doubt in my mind that the whole allocated seating thing is daft. The natural order of things is surely, the singers always congregate at the back. That has always been the case and i can't believe that there are many people who arnt aware of this. Its also a given, that the singers tend to stand up a lot, so if you go and sit at the back deliberately, when there are other choices, and you find yourself surrounded by a large group of standing singing supporters, you only have yourself to blame. If however, its strict designated seating, and the non standers / singers are in amongst you, with no option to move, then you have to remember that its not just your day out, The elderly couple who can't stand for 90 minutes and can't see when you're jumping around, have possibly been Town fans for a few decades before you where born, and as such deserve a little bit of respect?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 9:53:50 GMT 1
For me 1) Football can and should be watched either sitting or standing Is there any other alternative? Semi Recumbent perhaps? Im not going, i rarely travel, but it seems to me that when the crowd is large, enforcing designated seating is more important than ever, more so than when there is only a hundred or so milling round in a stand of thousands. The poll only represents a tiny fraction (my maths if awful, but @ 3% of those going on saturday) so to impose the view of B&As finest on the other 1550 attending saturday would be imo wrong. There is little doubt in my mind that the whole allocated seating thing is daft. The natural order of things is surely, the singers always congregate at the back. That has always been the case and i can't believe that there are many people who arnt aware of this. Its also a given, that the singers tend to stand up a lot, so if you go and sit at the back deliberately, when there are other choices, and you find yourself surrounded by a large group of standing singing supporters, you only have yourself to blame. If however, its strict designated seating, and the non standers / singers are in amongst you, with no option to move, then you have to remember that its not just your day out, The elderly couple who can't stand for 90 minutes and can't see when you're jumping around, have possibly been Town fans for a few decades before you where born, and as such deserve a little bit of respect?
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2015 9:55:02 GMT 1
For me 1) Football can and should be watched either sitting or standing Is there any other alternative? Semi Recumbent perhaps? Im not going, i rarely travel, but it seems to me that when the crowd is large, enforcing designated seating is more important than ever, more so than when there is only a hundred or so milling round in a stand of thousands. The poll only represents a tiny fraction (my maths if awful, but @ 3% of those going on saturday) so to impose the view of B&As finest on the other 1550 attending saturday would be imo wrong. There is little doubt in my mind that the whole allocated seating thing is daft. The natural order of things is surely, the singers always congregate at the back. That has always been the case and i can't believe that there are many people who arnt aware of this. Its also a given, that the singers tend to stand up a lot, so if you go and sit at the back deliberately, when there are other choices, and you find yourself surrounded by a large group of standing singing supporters, you only have yourself to blame. If however, its strict designated seating, and the non standers / singers are in amongst you, with no option to move, then you have to remember that its not just your day out, The elderly couple who can't stand for 90 minutes and can't see when you're jumping around, have possibly been Town fans for a few decades before you where born, and as such deserve a little bit of respect? A superb post that sums up everything completely. Thanks Matron.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 10:11:03 GMT 1
It doesn't matter what anyone says on here or what any poll results are, there will be a % of fans on Saturday who will intend to ignore allocated seats and stand at the back, I will be one of them. Last time we went to Cheltenham people on here argued against plans to ignore allocated seats but it still happened and it will happen again this weekend, so arguing about it is pointless.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 21, 2015 10:23:22 GMT 1
All 1,700 now sold out.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2015 10:31:23 GMT 1
That is brilliant. The club can't ask for more support than our allocation. Just a thought - are you all still taking melons?!
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 21, 2015 11:50:17 GMT 1
From Cheltenham Ground Regulations, although I think we all know the rules just some don't want to follow them. Have included down to 17.1 for a couple of regulars Ground Regulation 12 All persons entering the Ground may only occupy the seat allocated to them by their ticket and must not move from any one part of the Ground to another without the express permission or instruction of any steward, officer of the Club and/or any police officer.
Ground Regulation 13 Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the Ground.
Ground Regulation 14 The obstruction of gangways, access ways, exits and entrances, stairways and like places is strictly forbidden. Nobody entering the Ground shall be permitted to climb any structures within the Ground.
Ground Regulation 15 Football League stadia are smoke-free and smoking is not permitted inside the Ground.
Ground Regulation 16 Mobile telephones are permitted within the Ground, provided that they are used for personal and private use only PROVIDED THAT no audio, visual or audio-visual material captured by a mobile telephone may be published or otherwise made available to any third parties including, without limitation, via social networking sites. Ground Regulation 17 Under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985 (as amended), the following are offences for which a person can be arrested by a police officer and conviction could result in a Banning Order being made:
17.1 Attempting to enter the Ground or being inside the Ground whilst drunk;
Read more at www.ctfc.com/tickets/groundregulations/index.aspx#l1bM5OJhyR6dvc57.99
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Post by rylehu on Apr 21, 2015 12:01:22 GMT 1
Damn. My only reason for going was to post to Facebook a video of me drunk whilst smoking and standing up in someone else's seat. :-(
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 12:20:06 GMT 1
To be honest threads like this and similar conversations on the STFC facebook page have only made the situation worse as it has brought it all to the clubs and authorities attention. I see on the STFC official site that they have reminded fans they must sit in the correct seat, no doubt brought on by these conversations.
When the powers that be know that fans are actively trying to promote standing or sitting in groups and not the allocated seating then of course they are going to clamp down on it.
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Post by vanner on Apr 21, 2015 12:36:28 GMT 1
This thread highlights the need for safe standing,
Supporters can support their team by sitting and joining in with the odd chant (MM barmy army) and they can stand and sing non stop. It doesn't make them any less of a fan.
However, these 2 fans cannot happily be in the same area if stewards stick to their rule rigidly and ticket sales for seats aren't done on a "if you want to stand here's a ticket for the back row basis."
Bring in safe standing and everyone is happy. Job done. Wake up FA!
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Post by Throbbing Gristle on Apr 26, 2015 7:15:07 GMT 1
So then, what happened?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 26, 2015 7:55:07 GMT 1
As predicted, allocated seating was ignored. People stood at the back and sat at the front. We even went on the pitch. As also predicted, Cheltenham stewards and police took a common sense approach and none of us have yet been carted off to an FA re-education gulag for breaking the rules. Nobody's health and safety was put at risk except for perhaps a couple of people for whom scaling the advertising hoardings looked like the most exercise they'd done in years. The system generally seemed to work well and people were able to enjoy the game as they wished. A couple of particularly bloody minded individuals did insist on sitting down in the back couple of rows throughout the game though. Those in front displayed impeccable manners by also sitting. Shame the sitters couldn't have responded in kind by offering to swap, particularly as by the second half it was clear a majority in front of them wished to stand. Can't have everything though I guess. I expect someone will come on now and say they had their afternoon ruined by persistent standing or that the club is to be relegated to the Squigglesworth Brown Ale midlands league western conference division 5c for fans refusal to slavishly adhere to the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 8:52:59 GMT 1
A couple of particularly bloody minded individuals did insist on sitting down in the back couple of rows throughout the game though. Those in front displayed impeccable manners by also sitting. Sorry to hear about this selfishness and credit to you for starting this debate. The atmosphere produced by the Town fans yesterday was a lot better than I anticipated and I think the open dialogue beforehand was a central factor in this. It undoubtedly helped focus the mind. Standing isn't some evil or inconvenient practice; we have proven at Bury and Cheltenham that we are capable of having a sizeable number of fans who remain upright and want to roar the team onto victory. Excellent stuff! Here's hoping that it becomes the norm from now on rather than an exceptional one-off during a race for the title. I did hear sad whisperings of a group of Town fans signing the 'F**k off Adam Johnson' song to the tune of Come On Feel The Noise by Slade. Absolutely bizarre 'footy bantz' behaviour. If your first instinct upon watching your team edge towards promotion is to belt out a song relating to an (alleged) sex offender who plays for Sunderland, you need your head checking.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 26, 2015 9:20:05 GMT 1
It worked fine.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 10:55:14 GMT 1
did it ?
5 of us got to the ground at 1435 and found 4 of our seats were taken by 2 lots of 2 lads, the first lot complained that their seats had been stolen but realised they had to move on and did, the other 2 point blank refused to budge and stood their ground taking 2 pensioners seats, this stand off happened right up until kick off when i had to step in and re-posses the pensioner seats, they then moved onto the walkway and funny thing was we had another confrontation at half time when the one tried to stand his ground kind of suggesting i could not pass him to access the toilets, i reminded him he was on the yellow lines ;-)
as i mentioned earlier in the week, this thread and the poll was a waste of time
what happens is they stand where they want unless physically moved on, no matter who's seat or how old or what sex they are, in fact the older they are the easier it is to take their seat
the general opinion of fans who stayed in their seats at the end was fans spolit the celebrations from the players
all we saw was james collins for a brief few seconds
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 26, 2015 11:34:15 GMT 1
as i mentioned earlier in the week, this thread and the poll was a waste of time what happens is they stand where they want unless physically moved on, no matter who's seat or how old or what sex they are, in fact the older they are the easier it is to take their seat the general opinion of fans who stayed in their seats at the end was fans spolit the celebrations from the players all we saw was james collins for a brief few seconds Hate to keep going back to this, with reference to your first point about people standing regardless, that is exactly why I felt it necessary to start a discussion. Might I ask why you felt you absolutely had to sit in those seats? If, as your previous posts suggest, you're aware that it's likely your view will be obstructed then insisting on sitting in your specific seat rather than finding somewhere else is simply cutting off your nose to spite your face. If this isn't about standing at all but just because you wanted to sit in those seats just because they'd been arbitrarily allocated to you by the luck of the draw, then it's even more petty. Chances are those lads themselves had found their own seats taken. As for the players celebrating at the end, strikes me you were always going to complain about something to do with the inevitable pitch invasion. I for one certainly didn't hear any announcement and doubt if any on the pitch did. If you really were that desperate to catch a glimpse of your heroes, it was a short walk through an open gate to the pitch.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 11:59:10 GMT 1
did i not mention i was with a couple of pensioners , oh and the people behind we sat down, sometimes we stood depending if those behind/in front were stood
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your post stinks of selfishness and lack of respect
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 26, 2015 12:15:35 GMT 1
If this hasn't already been made clear I SAT DOWN throughout so I wouldn't block anyone's view. Did it without having to be asked and with a smile on my face, as did all 5 of the people I was with and about 4 rows of people in front.
I understand your concerns about the age of your companions but at 14 35, surely there were other seats closer to the front where you were less likely to be inconvenienced?
On a side note, I apologise for coming across as rude. I'm very passionate about Shrewsbury town and football culture in general and have a tendency to let debates on the topic get a bit overheated. It's never been my intention to deny anyone else the right to enjoy the game in their own way. Quite the opposite in fact, I'd love to see a situation where all parties can enjoy the experience. Yesterday seemed a step in the right direction though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 13:58:49 GMT 1
As others have alluded to, its a consequence of all seater stadiums.
Whilst we are all STFC supporters, we will come from many different backgrounds with different views, beliefs and morals. For some people going to the football is literally going to the game and being able to witness 90 minutes. For others its about the day and during the game they want to stand, shout and sing.
The people who fall into the latter category are normally painted as the villian with accusations of being selfish and bullies being thrown around. There may be an element of truth for some people (as I said we are all different) but its not the case for a lot and I include myself in that, we simply want to enjoy the game in an environment which we prefer. In the past both types of supporters could get their wish but all seater stadiums make it difficult, particularly in packed out away ends.
Incidentally, some of the more abusive fans I witnessed yesterday were the ones who didnt want to stand. Just after kick off two fans were nearly coming to blows, the one bloke was heard to say "you could have just asked me to sit down, you didnt have to give me a mouthful". Then just before half time I was barked at by someone because I stopped to speak to someone on the front as I was walking past. Yes they were well within their rights to ask me to move if I was blocking their view but there's ways of doing it
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2015 14:17:53 GMT 1
If this hasn't already been made clear I SAT DOWN throughout so I wouldn't block anyone's view. Did it without having to be asked and with a smile on my face, as did all 5 of the people I was with and about 4 rows of people in front. I understand your concerns about the age of your companions but at 14 35, surely there were other seats closer to the front where you were less likely to be inconvenienced? On a side note, I apologise for coming across as rude. I'm very passionate about Shrewsbury town and football culture in general and have a tendency to let debates on the topic get a bit overheated. It's never been my intention to deny anyone else the right to enjoy the game in their own way. Quite the opposite in fact, I'd love to see a situation where all parties can enjoy the experience. Yesterday seemed a step in the right direction though. why would we want to steal someone else's seat due to the fact someone was sat in ours i think more likely to be inconvenienced would have been the case had we done that and we were only 4 rows from the front if that matters
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