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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 1:15:01 GMT 1
Cultural marxism is a form of critical theory which focuses on societal inequalities whereas Marxism focuses on class conflict. i.e whites vs non-whites, western vs non-western
Nicko, for a beginner I'd recommend Minnicino's "New Dark Age; Frankfurt School and Political correctness".
A couple of decent comment pieces in the Torygragh on the subject too.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 2, 2015 2:42:43 GMT 1
The contempt for the white working classes shown by the political elite, media and the cultural marxist society Labour forced on us knows no bounds. A would-be Jihadist flying over to Syria to take part in the inhumane slaughter of fellow human beings is spared proportionate justice under the umbrella of human rights because they've been let down by society and we should be taking responsibility for not doing enough to integrate Muslims into our culture. A group of football thugs who's biggest crime is shoving a man off a train and chanting juvenile chants are vile racists who will be sent to prison and have the vote taken away from them. The voice of the self-appointed intelligentsai is disproportionately loud. We see the same cultural marxism being pedalled on here by white, middle-class men trying to lay down the tablet of the law of what should be considered offensive and what isn't. Notable by their absence when a non-working class white person is involved in an act of criminality or 'racism', but of course they never see it that way. Yawn. Hyperbolic rot.
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Post by jamo on Mar 2, 2015 8:52:12 GMT 1
Genuine question. What is a Cultural Marxist Society ?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 2, 2015 9:01:55 GMT 1
The contempt for the white working classes shown by the political elite, media and the cultural marxist society Labour forced on us knows no bounds. A would-be Jihadist flying over to Syria to take part in the inhumane slaughter of fellow human beings is spared proportionate justice under the umbrella of human rights because they've been let down by society and we should be taking responsibility for not doing enough to integrate Muslims into our culture. A group of football thugs who's biggest crime is shoving a man off a train and chanting juvenile chants are vile racists who will be sent to prison and have the vote taken away from them. The voice of the self-appointed intelligentsai is disproportionately loud. We see the same cultural marxism being pedalled on here by white, middle-class men trying to lay down the tablet of the law of what should be considered offensive and what isn't. Notable by their absence when a non-working class white person is involved in an act of criminality or 'racism', but of course they never see it that way. Yawn. Hyperbolic rot. Whether there is anything to it or whether it is hyperbolic rot is by the by though isn't it? Whether this is the situation or not? I say that because this is how (I reckon) quite a few people see things. Look what happened in Rotherham. Here you had members of certain community left to pray on young vulnerable girls because the authorities were too concerned about community cohesion and being labelled racist. They were pretty much left to get on with it. For years. Then look at the efforts to find and charge the football supporters from Chelsea and West Ham. Simple way at looking at things for sure but this is how people do look at things. They see how one section of the community and their crimes are treated against another. This breeds resentment and in turn division. People will look at things and question whether we have our priorities right and why one crime appears to be treated differently to another.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 11:45:32 GMT 1
The contempt for the white working classes shown by the political elite, media and the cultural marxist society Labour forced on us knows no bounds. A would-be Jihadist flying over to Syria to take part in the inhumane slaughter of fellow human beings is spared proportionate justice under the umbrella of human rights because they've been let down by society and we should be taking responsibility for not doing enough to integrate Muslims into our culture. A group of football thugs who's biggest crime is shoving a man off a train and chanting juvenile chants are vile racists who will be sent to prison and have the vote taken away from them. The voice of the self-appointed intelligentsai is disproportionately loud. We see the same cultural marxism being pedalled on here by white, middle-class men trying to lay down the tablet of the law of what should be considered offensive and what isn't. Notable by their absence when a non-working class white person is involved in an act of criminality or 'racism', but of course they never see it that way. Yawn. Hyperbolic rot. I suppose FGM is 'hyperbolic rot', or as SS points out the Rotherham child sex crimes? How about forced marriage or the frightening number of 'liberal' Muslim apologists for the Charli Hebdo murders? For you it seems everything is greatly exaggerated, until it comes to half a dozen white, male football hooligans shoving someone off a train and then you well and truly lose all perspective. When it comes to race relations and human rights, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If that's the case, Japan is probably the biggest greenhouse in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 13:13:35 GMT 1
The contempt for the white working classes shown by the political elite, media and the cultural marxist society Labour forced on us knows no bounds. A would-be Jihadist flying over to Syria to take part in the inhumane slaughter of fellow human beings is spared proportionate justice under the umbrella of human rights because they've been let down by society and we should be taking responsibility for not doing enough to integrate Muslims into our culture. A group of football thugs who's biggest crime is shoving a man off a train and chanting juvenile chants are vile racists who will be sent to prison and have the vote taken away from them. The voice of the self-appointed intelligentsai is disproportionately loud. We see the same cultural marxism being pedalled on here by white, middle-class men trying to lay down the tablet of the law of what should be considered offensive and what isn't. Notable by their absence when a non-working class white person is involved in an act of criminality or 'racism', but of course they never see it that way. Classic Leicester post. Full of complex sentences that scream "look at me, look at me, I've been to university, look how clever i am" He scorns this "self appointed intelligentsia" whilst at the same time, desperately trying to be part of it. To be clear, the chelsea fans almost certainly will not go to jail, (for me that would be a massive overreaction,), whilst Jihadi John will almost certainly meet death being riddled with bullets or blown into a million pieces, and in my opinion, quite rightly so!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 2, 2015 13:24:44 GMT 1
Your statements about would-be jihadists not receiving "proportionate justice" because of their human rights is certainly hyperbolic nonsense. Not sure what you envisage this proportionate justice to be when they are yet to have actually done anything, but where there is evidence that they have conspired to commit terrorist acts I'm sure they can and will be prosecuted according to the law, and not sure what human rights has to do with it. As for the racist incident in Paris, who exactly is baying for them to be sent to prison and denied the right to vote? That would be ridiculous.
The Rotherham grooming and child sex abuse cases are horrendous (been a lot about it on BBC 5 Live today actually). The inaction by police and social workers etc was disgraceful. Clearly it's a problem within a minority community from a certain section of rural Pakistani society. This community needs to do a lot more to address the problem. It's also a matter of racism as far as I can tell - the perpetrators see the young white girls that they prey on as trash. But why did you mention this? This case, and others like it, have had extensive media coverage and caused outrage. Is there any right-minded person who isn't appalled by it? The same goes for FGM - something the government has sought to prevent and the subject of international campaigning. Are you suggesting that I don't care about these abhorrent things because they are not committed by white british people? Because that is nonsense. Or that they get less media coverage than the Paris racist incident? Again, that is nonsense - the Paris thing got plenty of attention in the immediate aftermath, but it soon died down. Whereas I have been hearing about those other far more serious issues now in the media for months or years.
You are right that the behaviour of those Chelsea fans in Paris offends me because they are white, male, British and football fans. But that's because I'm also a white male British football fan and I don't want to be tarred with the same brush. It's a f**king national embarrassment. Those guys behaved like that because they are thugs and idiots, not because they are white British football fans.
I'm afraid you have lost me with the last bit about people in glass houses and Japan.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 13:32:44 GMT 1
The contempt for the white working classes shown by the political elite, media and the cultural marxist society Labour forced on us knows no bounds. A would-be Jihadist flying over to Syria to take part in the inhumane slaughter of fellow human beings is spared proportionate justice under the umbrella of human rights because they've been let down by society and we should be taking responsibility for not doing enough to integrate Muslims into our culture. A group of football thugs who's biggest crime is shoving a man off a train and chanting juvenile chants are vile racists who will be sent to prison and have the vote taken away from them. The voice of the self-appointed intelligentsai is disproportionately loud. We see the same cultural marxism being pedalled on here by white, middle-class men trying to lay down the tablet of the law of what should be considered offensive and what isn't. Notable by their absence when a non-working class white person is involved in an act of criminality or 'racism', but of course they never see it that way. Classic Leicester post. Full of complex sentences that scream "look at me, look at me, I've been to university, look how clever i am" He scorns this "self appointed intelligentsia" whilst at the same time, desperately trying to be part of it. To be clear, the chelsea fans almost certainly will not go to jail, (for me that would be a massive overreaction,), whilst Jihadi John will almost certainly meet death being riddled with bullets or blown into a million pieces, and in my opinion, quite rightly so! aaaaand....deep breath. Doctors order remember, don't let that blood pressure get too high I have been to university, so what? I also said in the other thread that it likely to give me very little advantage in the real world at all. I certainly wouldn't brag about it. Not like I'm flaunting myself as a brave public sector employee like you am I? Levvying my posts as though they carry some kind of authority or integrity. Here, have yourself a kitkat you hero! And for the record Chelsea fans face a potential 3 year prison sentence if convicted and a fine up to $45,000.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 2, 2015 13:38:49 GMT 1
If convicted of what? And where? Genuine question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 13:47:39 GMT 1
Classic Leicester post. Full of complex sentences that scream "look at me, look at me, I've been to university, look how clever i am" He scorns this "self appointed intelligentsia" whilst at the same time, desperately trying to be part of it. To be clear, the chelsea fans almost certainly will not go to jail, (for me that would be a massive overreaction,), whilst Jihadi John will almost certainly meet death being riddled with bullets or blown into a million pieces, and in my opinion, quite rightly so! aaaaand....deep breath. Doctors order remember, don't let that blood pressure get too high I have been to university, so what? I also said in the other thread that it likely to give me very little advantage in the real world at all. I certainly wouldn't brag about it. Not like I'm flaunting myself as a brave public sector employee like you am I? Levvying my posts as though they carry some kind of authority or integrity. Here, have yourself a kitkat you hero! And for the record Chelsea fans face a potential 3 year prison sentence if convicted and a fine up to $45,000. Oh, ok. Seems fair enough. Genuine question to any other B&A users. Do I flaunt myself as a brave public sector employee, or is this all in the white, oppressed and ever so hard done to, working class boys head?
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 13:48:21 GMT 1
If convicted of what? And where? Genuine question. I was under the impression Scotland Yard were investigating video footage and the victim had urged authorities to prosecute those involved? I'm not sure what extradition laws are with regards to standing trial in another country or if they even exist within the European Union. The maximum sentence for being found guilty of racism in a French court is a 3 year prison sentence.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 13:51:23 GMT 1
aaaaand....deep breath. Doctors order remember, don't let that blood pressure get too high I have been to university, so what? I also said in the other thread that it likely to give me very little advantage in the real world at all. I certainly wouldn't brag about it. Not like I'm flaunting myself as a brave public sector employee like you am I? Levvying my posts as though they carry some kind of authority or integrity. Here, have yourself a kitkat you hero! And for the record Chelsea fans face a potential 3 year prison sentence if convicted and a fine up to $45,000. Genuine question to any other B&A users. Do I flaunt myself as a brave public sector employee, or is this all in the white, oppressed and ever so hard done to, working class boys head? Me, me, me. Let's get all my Nags Head drinking pals to back me up on an internet forum. Embarrassing.
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Post by MartinB on Mar 2, 2015 13:52:18 GMT 1
. Those guys behaved like that because they are thugs and idiots, not because they are white British football fans. [ This is the exact reason I posted the link. So many things in Society are labeled because they are easy targets or used to gain sympathy very easily. Happy for these people to get whatever is coming to them but please don't label all football fans because of a few idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 14:04:35 GMT 1
Genuine question to any other B&A users. Do I flaunt myself as a brave public sector employee, or is this all in the white, oppressed and ever so hard done to, working class boys head? Me, me, me. Let's get all my Nags Head drinking pals to back me up on an internet forum. Embarrassing. Good post! Though a couple of points if I may. Firstly I don't drink (alcohol) at all. Secondly, I genuinely have no idea where the Nags Head is. Other than that, you've really got me on the ropes here!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 2, 2015 14:11:14 GMT 1
If convicted of what? And where? Genuine question. I was under the impression Scotland Yard were investigating video footage and the victim had urged authorities to prosecute those involved? I'm not sure what extradition laws are with regards to standing trial in another country or if they even exist within the European Union. The maximum sentence for being found guilty of racism in a French court is a 3 year prison sentence. British courts claim universal jurisdiction so they could be prosecuted here under UK law, but I'm pretty sure they would rather it be dealt with in France. Not sure what the charge would be here? The guy who pushed him maybe could be charged with racially aggravated assault and threatening behaviour (something along those lines?) but don't think he was the one chanting so it would maybe hard to prove the racially aggravated bit? And it would be a very minor assault. The chanters, maybe racial incitement? Racially aggravated public disorder? Not sure. Again, wouldn't think it would be on a serious level though. Had John Terry been convicted in his racist abuse case I believe he would probably have received a very short suspended sentence and/or a pretty small fine, iirc. Maximum sentences are misleading as these offences usually cover a range of levels of seriousness.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 14:27:00 GMT 1
Me, me, me. Let's get all my Nags Head drinking pals to back me up on an internet forum. Embarrassing. Good post! Though a couple of points if I may. Firstly I don't drink (alcohol) at all. Secondly, I genuinely have no idea where the Nags Head is. Other than that, you've really got me on the ropes here! I'll take my hat off to you, that did make me chuckle.
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Post by shrewed46 on Mar 2, 2015 15:05:45 GMT 1
Good post! Though a couple of points if I may. Firstly I don't drink (alcohol) at all. Secondly, I genuinely have no idea where the Nags Head is. Other than that, you've really got me on the ropes here! I'll take my hat off to you, that did make me chuckle. To sum up your posts LSF, as my old Maths teacher used to say "it's not funny it pathetic". You make statements which you suggest are true but which have no basis in fact. You describe as a Communist any one who has a left of centre view. You attack anyone who has a negative view of Israel. Unlike you, you have yet to condemn the thugs wearing Claret and Blue anti Jewish Chants, which in the eyes of most true football fans is as abhorrent as those wearing blue in Paris. By the way I do know where the Nags Head is but haven't been in there since the Town moved to meole.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 2, 2015 17:19:41 GMT 1
I'll take my hat off to you, that did make me chuckle. To sum up your posts LSF, as my old Maths teacher used to say "it's not funny it pathetic". You make statements which you suggest are true but which have no basis in fact. You describe as a Communist any one who has a left of centre view. You attack anyone who has a negative view of Israel. Unlike you, you have yet to condemn the thugs wearing Claret and Blue anti Jewish Chants, which in the eyes of most true football fans is as abhorrent as those wearing blue in Paris. By the way I do know where the Nags Head is but haven't been in there since the Town moved to meole. So I support Israel but condone anti-semitism do I? Nice continuity there in your post. Some real substantial evidence, Poirot. Your attempt to smear my good name carries about as much weight as Matron's 'I went to uni so I know best' claim. How about offering an opinion on the subject yourself, rather than resorting to petty character assassinations and riding on the backs of those that do. So prey tell, if you don't go to the Nags where do the like-minded ale drinking Town supporters meet to discuss the latest cause du jour and how much they hate the government?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 17:29:03 GMT 1
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Post by shrewed46 on Mar 2, 2015 18:38:34 GMT 1
To sum up your posts LSF, as my old Maths teacher used to say "it's not funny it pathetic". You make statements which you suggest are true but which have no basis in fact. You describe as a Communist any one who has a left of centre view. You attack anyone who has a negative view of Israel. Unlike you, you have yet to condemn the thugs wearing Claret and Blue anti Jewish Chants, which in the eyes of most true football fans is as abhorrent as those wearing blue in Paris. By the way I do know where the Nags Head is but haven't been in there since the Town moved to meole. So I support Israel but condone anti-semitism do I? Nice continuity there in your post. Some real substantial evidence, Poirot. Your attempt to smear my good name carries about as much weight as Matron's 'I went to uni so I know best' claim. How about offering an opinion on the subject yourself, rather than resorting to petty character assassinations and riding on the backs of those that do. So prey tell, if you don't go to the Nags where do the like-minded ale drinking Town supporters meet to discuss the latest cause du jour and how much they hate the government? Well personally I believe that anyone guilty of racism in any guise should be banned from all football grounds for a minimum of three years. Equally I believe that ISIS is an organisation that urgently needs to be destroyed. As I no longer live in Shrewsbury I have no idea where Town fans meet prior to the match or whether they discuss how much they hate Cameron et al.
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Post by jamo on Mar 2, 2015 19:16:02 GMT 1
Your attempt to smear my good name.] [ ****ing breathtaking isn't it !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:00:46 GMT 1
Cultural marxism is a form of critical theory which focuses on societal inequalities whereas Marxism focuses on class conflict. i.e whites vs non-whites, western vs non-western Nicko, for a beginner I'd recommend Minnicino's "New Dark Age; Frankfurt School and Political correctness". A couple of decent comment pieces in the Torygragh on the subject too. Thanks for the recommendation. The Frankfurt school is an off-shoot of Marxism started by a group of dissident Marxists in the 20s as I’m sure you know. Again as I’m sure you know they broadened the study of Marxism into a multi – disciplinary form. Somewhere along the line the ‘right’ have taken this to mean that CM is literally cultural, well it is, but not in the way the right think.
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Post by sussexshrew on Mar 3, 2015 4:23:24 GMT 1
LSF, I don't quite understand your post. I don't see any signs of Jihadists being spared justice under an umbrella of "human rights", The going rate for returning Jihadists appears to be 12 years, irrespective of what they actually did in Syria.
It could be argued that some young people who were, in the ignorance of religious delusion, seduced by the idea of a holy war, but in the field have ended up being sickened by the brutality of IS, are now unable to leave and return home, because of the long jail term they will receive.
I don't think that those Chelsea fans deserve jail, but a hefty fine, some community service and a ban, wouldn't leave me shedding tears for them.
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Post by jamo on Mar 3, 2015 17:18:57 GMT 1
Cultural Marxism; a uniting theory for right wingers who love to play the victim. That explains why Himmler is so conversent with the ideology then !
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Mar 4, 2015 23:17:40 GMT 1
Matron cites the white working class football supporter hating Guardian in a thread about the white working class, football supporter Guardian. Amazing, couldn't make it up
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