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Post by Dancin on Feb 24, 2015 12:57:35 GMT 1
Who will be the first to say that European Leagues should boycott it?
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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 24, 2015 13:07:28 GMT 1
Germany have a winter break already and Russia do don't they ?
There will never be a boycott, because of the ££££££££££...............what goes around....
And also the Premier League deal is only worth so much because of a lot of the interest in it being in places on the other side of the globe.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 24, 2015 13:38:03 GMT 1
Personally I haven't got a problem with the time of year and there is 7 years for them to get it sorted. I have got a problem with Qatar though. I've no problems with FIFA trying to spread the game of football to remote areas but Qatar is about the size of my thumb and as significant in football terms as the UK is to husky racing.
India, Saudi Arabia, Australia, China - yes - little dot that has no significance - no.
Actually, I have got a problem with the Winter. The atmosphere in the pub watching England struggle to get out of the group is going to be p*ss poor. No summer of football to look forward to either. Mind you we'll probably all be at war with Islamic State by then so I doubt it'll even go ahead. Some serious 'under-reported' concerns in Cyprus at the moment but that's another story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 13:48:39 GMT 1
Its another FIFA farce. Yes people can try and say its not for the Europeans to dictate but the world cup has been going for a number of years and its always been held in June/July.
I have to laugh at FIFA trying to spin it by saying they are being sensible and they have to hold it in the winter because it will be too hot in the summer for fans as well as players. Well it being hot in July in Qatar is not a new phenomenon so why even choose it in the first place, well you can probably think of a few reasons
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Feb 24, 2015 13:49:47 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Feb 24, 2015 13:51:45 GMT 1
Germany have a winter break already and Russia do don't they ? There will never be a boycott, because of the ££££££££££...............what goes around.... And also the Premier League deal is only worth so much because of a lot of the interest in it being in places on the other side of the globe. I'm not suggesting there will be but it wouldn't surprise me that some righteous MOTD pundit suggests it?
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Post by buryshrew on Feb 24, 2015 13:58:06 GMT 1
Pubs are already full coming up to Christmas, this will just add to the atmosphere and allow people an excuse to watch the big screens rather than have to talk with their impossibly dull work colleagues.
On the basis that Town are unlikely to be in the Premiership by then, I'm not that bothered, it's not as if we didn't already know that the whole thing is a marketing and money driven monster with little consideration for anything but the filthy lucre. This just confirms it.
Already printing up my Christmas national football team baubles in preparation.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 24, 2015 14:16:55 GMT 1
Total farce.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 14:44:32 GMT 1
have you got a link to the under reported concerns in cyprus? far more interesting than the appalling and rather nauseating self interest that is top flight football.
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Post by jiayou salop on Feb 24, 2015 17:55:28 GMT 1
Actually think its a good decision, O.k so Qatar can fit inside the boot of my car, however the last two world cup have shown us that the spirit of the event spread spreads beyond the host country to and can represent an entire region. Just look at how the convoys of Argentinians lightened up 2014, or how the whole of Africa got behind Ghana in 2010.
From the off Qatar have said that its bidding for the middle east and talked about how facilities will be donated. (as opposed the England's bid which came across and very self-indulgent). A safe venue in the middle east isn't a bad idea. you already have some of the most passionate fans and clubs with huge fan bases. yet are under-achieving in producing "world class" players. In my opinion anything that can help the infrastructure and global competitiveness of this region is very good for football.
As for the winter final, its a farce that this has just been decided now and was not discussed during bidding, however outside of Europe most leagues are already on a calendar that suits this timetable, just for once I'm sure Europe can adapt, as the rest of the world have always had to so every prior world cup.
My main concern is the treatment of homosexuals and women.The fantasist in me believes that rather standing outside tutting and distancing ourselves maybe an event on this scale might start to break down some barriers.Maybe in too much of a dreamer on this point but isn't being a dreamer the essence of being a football fan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 19:00:41 GMT 1
My main concern is the treatment of homosexuals and women.The fantasist in me believes that rather standing outside tutting and distancing ourselves maybe an event on this scale might start to break down some barriers.Maybe in too much of a dreamer on this point but isn't being a dreamer the essence of being a football fan. It certainly is , unless of course , you are a woman or gay football fan . It will take more than a World Cup event to break down the barriers . Maybe , just maybe , for a very short time things will change , possibly because the eyes of the world are on them but when it's all over? Hmmm, I just don't see any great change to be honest .
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Post by dannylad01 on Feb 24, 2015 19:18:29 GMT 1
The problem for me is that the "winter World Cup" wasn't part of the bidding process. We were supposed to be getting air conditioned stadiums. Surely once it was decided Qatar couldn't deliver on their promise, then the bidding process should have been reopened, with Qatar submitting a revised proposal, and the USA and Australia allowed to revise their bids.
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Post by townfanincrewe on Feb 24, 2015 19:31:31 GMT 1
It said tonight that they had no problem putting a roof and air-conditioning in the stadiums. The problem was the training pitches and fans not used to such high temperatures.
Do they allow alcohol? I can see that causing a few problems if not. The main thing I worry about is it's ok for the premier league they will just shut down for two months but what about teams from lower leagues that have players missing to play in the world cup?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 19:58:45 GMT 1
Shrewder calls it a total farce . How right he is . Surely Blatter cannot survive this complete balls up . It is a total embarrassment . The bidding process was for a World Cup during the Summer months as per usual , not a bloody Winter World Cup.
Phil Neville thinks it would be a good idea as our National side will be " fresh " . He completely misses the point in my humble opinion . The whole process has been a farce and whether or not England will be in a better position to win the thing should not be part of the discussion .
String Blatter up by the balls ( and if he doesn't get his bloody act together Neville with him) .
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Feb 24, 2015 20:07:36 GMT 1
Proof that money talks
not willing to commit to print that Blatter is allegedly corrupt allegedly
Severnheaven obviously listens to Talksport - where Neville thinks it is a good idea.
I say - hell no.
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Post by onthepitch on Feb 24, 2015 20:13:42 GMT 1
What is the latest death toll on the Qatar building sites?
Or have they lost count?
The whole thing stinks!
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Post by atcham jack on Feb 24, 2015 20:51:09 GMT 1
2022 not a good year for qualifying. pity eufa or fa cannot hold an unofficial tournament in june 2022
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 24, 2015 22:07:05 GMT 1
The problem for me is that the "winter World Cup" wasn't part of the bidding process. We were supposed to be getting air conditioned stadiums. Surely once it was decided Qatar couldn't deliver on their promise, then the bidding process should have been reopened, with Qatar submitting a revised proposal, and the USA and Australia allowed to revise their bids. Would be too many problems with returning all the alleged bungs for that to ever happen
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Post by eclipsechaser on Feb 24, 2015 22:26:37 GMT 1
Its another FIFA farce. Yes people can try and say its not for the Europeans to dictate but the world cup has been going for a number of years and its always been held in June/July. I have to laugh at FIFA trying to spin it by saying they are being sensible and they have to hold it in the winter because it will be too hot in the summer for fans as well as players. Well it being hot in July in Qatar is not a new phenomenon so why even choose it in the first place, well you can probably think of a few reasons I can think of one main reason ...........CORRUPTION , ie. bribes , backhanders etc.
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Post by jiayou salop on Feb 25, 2015 3:22:18 GMT 1
Its another FIFA farce. Yes people can try and say its not for the Europeans to dictate but the world cup has been going for a number of years and its always been held in June/July. I have to laugh at FIFA trying to spin it by saying they are being sensible and they have to hold it in the winter because it will be too hot in the summer for fans as well as players. Well it being hot in July in Qatar is not a new phenomenon so why even choose it in the first place, well you can probably think of a few reasons I can think of one main reason ...........CORRUPTION , ie. bribes , backhanders etc. I agree that the date should have been decided as part of the bidding process, however its very inward looking and old fashioned to say the world cup should always be in June/July.By having a world cup that is inflexible with the date it rules out a lot of countries from ever being able to host. The whole bidding process does stink of dodgy deals, but every bid was at it.You can't single out Qatar when our own government were giving away designer handbags to fifa member's wives, giving work visas to friends of Jack Warner and arranging dinners with the royal family.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 25, 2015 7:57:21 GMT 1
Shrewder calls it a total farce . How right he is . Surely Blatter cannot survive this complete balls up . It is a total embarrassment . The bidding process was for a World Cup during the Summer months as per usual , not a bloody Winter World Cup. Phil Neville thinks it would be a good idea as our National side will be " fresh " . He completely misses the point in my humble opinion . The whole process has been a farce and whether or not England will be in a better position to win the thing should not be part of the discussion . String Blatter up by the balls ( and if he doesn't get his bloody act together Neville with him) . Excellent post. I would even suggest Europe should consider boycotting the 2022 World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 10:22:55 GMT 1
With all the non English players making up the vast percentage of Premiership players I am quite looking forward to how this will unfold and will be a massive headache for the money grabbing Premier league.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2015 10:30:04 GMT 1
It was reported yesterday that ALL football activity is suspended during a World Cup and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a European boycott was threatened, someone has to stand up to the corruption at FIFA...... As for Jiayou Salop ( or is it Sept?) you say its a good idea then say it's a farce only now deciding to hold it in the winter and also concerned re human rights in Qatar, make your mind up this is what others are concerned about .....Do you really think the bid was fair promising a summer final (with air conditioning et al) and corruption has been proved by the investigator but then hushed by Fifa through Swiss courts.... ( and I'm not talking about a few hand bags or dinner with Mam) Amazed anyone is defending Fifa's corrupt decision
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 25, 2015 10:47:37 GMT 1
With all the non English players making up the vast percentage of Premiership players I am quite looking forward to how this will unfold and will be a massive headache for the money grabbing Premier league. Yes - that IS one plus point in favour of the stupidity
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Post by jiayou salop on Feb 25, 2015 12:16:28 GMT 1
It was reported yesterday that ALL football activity is suspended during a World Cup and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a European boycott was threatened, someone has to stand up to the corruption at FIFA...... As for Jiayou Salop ( or is it Sept?) you say its a good idea then say it's a farce only now deciding to hold it in the winter and also concerned re human rights in Qatar, make your mind up this is what others are concerned about .....Do you really think the bid was fair promising a summer final (with air conditioning et al) and corruption has been proved by the investigator but then hushed by Fifa through Swiss courts.... ( and I'm not talking about a few hand bags or dinner with Mam) Amazed anyone is defending Fifa's corrupt decision The bidding process was farcical and should alone be enough to dispose of Blatter, but it happened and Fifa has to move forward for the sake of the world cup. As far as I can see it has the following options, 1) Re-stage the bid with new guidelines and regulations to avoid repeat corruption.The problem with this is that for the lawyers to work out the framework and the process to be complete the winning country will have little time to prepare. This is also seen as pointless as Qatar would almost certainly win, remember it is again 3 countries that have already hosted withing the last 21 years and Australia who are the most unpopular country in the football politics. 2) Hold Qatar to its word, The Qatari F.A say they are willing and ready to host a June/July world cup. But ultimately the losers of this are the fans and the players. 3) Move the world cup date, Inconvenience fans in western Europe but secure that a world cup is still successfully staged. So what do you think Fifa should do? For me option 3 is the only realistic choice and I hope that in the meantime Fifa can sort itself out before the 2026-2030 bidding begins. As for Human rights, of course I have concerns with Qatar (as i also have with Russia). As previous stated i don't think tutting and wagging our fingers on the sidelines will help. The world cup won't transform Qatar into a liberal utopia, but may just break down some barriers.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2015 12:50:56 GMT 1
It was reported yesterday that ALL football activity is suspended during a World Cup and I wouldn't be at all surprised if a European boycott was threatened, someone has to stand up to the corruption at FIFA...... As for Jiayou Salop ( or is it Sept?) you say its a good idea then say it's a farce only now deciding to hold it in the winter and also concerned re human rights in Qatar, make your mind up this is what others are concerned about .....Do you really think the bid was fair promising a summer final (with air conditioning et al) and corruption has been proved by the investigator but then hushed by Fifa through Swiss courts.... ( and I'm not talking about a few hand bags or dinner with Mam) Amazed anyone is defending Fifa's corrupt decision The bidding process was farcical and should alone be enough to dispose of Blatter, but it happened and Fifa has to move forward for the sake of the world cup. As far as I can see it has the following options, 1) Re-stage the bid with new guidelines and regulations to avoid repeat corruption.The problem with this is that for the lawyers to work out the framework and the process to be complete the winning country will have little time to prepare. This is also seen as pointless as Qatar would almost certainly win, remember it is again 3 countries that have already hosted withing the last 21 years and Australia who are the most unpopular country in the football politics. 2) Hold Qatar to its word, The Qatari F.A say they are willing and ready to host a June/July world cup. But ultimately the losers of this are the fans and the players. 3) Move the world cup date, Inconvenience fans in western Europe but secure that a world cup is still successfully staged. So what do you think Fifa should do? For me option 3 is the only realistic choice and I hope that in the meantime Fifa can sort itself out before the 2026-2030 bidding begins. As for Human rights, of course I have concerns with Qatar (as i also have with Russia). As previous stated i don't think tutting and wagging our fingers on the sidelines will help. The world cup won't transform Qatar into a liberal utopia, but may just break down some barriers. Option 2..... Hold Qatar and Fifa to its word, with Air Conditioned Stadia, training facilities, fan zones, transport, hotels etc...... How many normal footy fans are going to be able to afford to attend anyway?
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Feb 25, 2015 13:10:59 GMT 1
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 25, 2015 15:24:26 GMT 1
This should not be held in Qatar. It has no relevance as a footballing nation and never will have. Holding a World Cup there will not encourage the Middle-Eastern countries to play more football, which it might in India, China etc and therefore there is no benefit to the game of football from holding it there. Premier league aside, it's the world of football that needs to stand up and say holding the tournament in Qatar is unacceptable. A Winter World Cup anywhere else in the World is debatable, not ideal IMO but 'do-able', but it's a lesser issue as to why Qatar is a suitable venue. It isn't and I am surprised that the footballing community has not appealed, even boycotted, the FIFA decision. As you may have gathered, I'm not going
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Post by shrewder on Feb 25, 2015 16:10:41 GMT 1
I am not going to start looking eagerly towards this event as I will be 73 by then and who knows........
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