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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 18:45:56 GMT 1
Good article that by Henry Winter.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Feb 19, 2015 14:18:37 GMT 1
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Post by eclipsechaser on Feb 19, 2015 21:29:15 GMT 1
I can't believe the so called fans are so stupid ? Do they realise what colour skin Drogba has and which country he comes from ?
They are a national disgrace !
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Post by ferkle94 on Feb 19, 2015 21:43:03 GMT 1
I can't believe the so called fans are so stupid ? Do they realise what colour skin Drogba has and which country he comes from ? They are a national disgrace ! And Willian, Cuadrado, Ramires, Zouma, Remy, Mikel... Idiots.
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Post by callum on Feb 19, 2015 23:00:09 GMT 1
Idiots?? What colour is he!!!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 20, 2015 1:42:04 GMT 1
Surprised our friend from Leicester hasn't dropped in on this thread to say something about it being indefensible and then go on to defend it, make excuses, make it out to be insignificant and rant on about the Guardian/BBC's liberal news agenda. This would then be backed up by Geoff, who would rant on about anti-white racism not getting the same attention.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 21, 2015 10:24:25 GMT 1
This would then be backed up by Geoff, who would rant on about anti-white racism not getting the same attention. Well I guess we have an ideal opportunity to do just that considering the two incidents reported of late...
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 21, 2015 21:16:19 GMT 1
Surprised our friend from Leicester hasn't dropped in on this thread to say something about it being indefensible and then go on to defend it, make excuses, make it out to be insignificant and rant on about the Guardian/BBC's liberal news agenda. This would then be backed up by Geoff, who would rant on about anti-white racism not getting the same attention. The actions of the Chelsea fans were abhorrent and should be condemned by all quarters. I see Chelsea fans held a banner today to distance themselves from the perpetrators and it just goes to show this is a minority of their fans and we should consider how far we have come in the game to rid ourselves of this kind of prejudice. But there has to be perspective. The amount of coverage this got in the left wing rags, and yes the BBC, were fairly disproportionate given the circumstances. It actually higher billing than the war currently unfolding in Ukraine can you believe. It's not as if anyone was beheaded at the scene or anyone involved has links to terror networks and the buying/selling of chemical weapons. Then again it was a good day for the Guardian to bury bad news, did anyone else see this? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/media/11425580/Guardian-changed-Iraq-article-to-avoid-offending-Apple.htmlThose darn rich capitalists eh *shakes fist* It's a shame that because you once it upon yourself to take out a monopoly on being offended and I called you out on it that you think I will be prepared to defend the indefensible. Just a different perspective, is that ok? Also while we're on the subject of uber-offended lefties, I (quite literally) bumped into Jamo walking out of the ground at the final whistle today. Good to finally put a face to the name
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Post by calimero on Feb 22, 2015 10:44:49 GMT 1
I think you'll find it got a lot of attention in media out lets of all persuasion not just the Grauniad and BBC.
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Post by calimero on Feb 22, 2015 10:51:51 GMT 1
I can't believe the so called fans are so stupid ? Do they realise what colour skin Drogba has and which country he comes from ? They are a national disgrace ! And Willian, Cuadrado, Ramires, Zouma, Remy, Mikel... Idiots. The actions and attitudes of racist fans are abhorrent but them having no problem with black players in their team is not idiotic contradiction but rather an example of a long tradition of people being happy to exploit the talents of people who they deem unworthy of sharing their civil liberties.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 22, 2015 12:21:17 GMT 1
I think the Guardian has gone into meltdown the last few days. I really do like the Guardian, I've been reading it for over 20 years now. Other than the Independent it's where I go for my news. But some of the stuff on there these last few days has for the first time had me wondering whether I need to look elsewhere, bite the bullet and pay a subscription to another news source. I think over the last few days each and every one of societies ills has been blamed on football supporters (I mean more so by the readers and those making comments than the paper of course). I had no idea there was so much hatred towards the game and those who follow it. I don't know whether because its still free to view that they have to publish stuff that's just there to get a reaction (I think the term is click bait) just to keep the numbers up to keep the advertises happy. No idea. But it's turning into a circus over there...
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 22, 2015 12:21:40 GMT 1
Wow, just wow.
Comparing millionaire premier league footballers with slavery and the civil rights movement. Talk about perspective
Lock in at the Nags last night was it?
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Post by calimero on Feb 22, 2015 12:33:28 GMT 1
Wow, just wow. Comparing millionaire premier league footballers with slavery and the civil rights movement. Talk about perspective Lock in at the Nags last night was it? Not at all comparing the footballers, I was trying to explain the attitudes of racists who are happy to enjoy the toils of black people without thinking of them as equals. Sammi Davis Jnr could be another example.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 22, 2015 12:36:48 GMT 1
I think the Guardian has gone into meltdown the last few days. I really do like the Guardian, I've been reading it for over 20 years now. Other than the Independent it's where I go for my news. But some of the stuff on there these last few days has for the first time had me wondering whether I need to look elsewhere, bite the bullet and pay a subscription to another news source. I think over the last few days each and every one of societies ills has been blamed on football supporters (I mean more so by the readers and those making comments than the paper of course). I had no idea there was so much hatred towards the game and those who follow it. I don't know whether because its still free to view that they have to publish stuff that's just there to get a reaction (I think the term is click bait) just to keep the numbers up to keep the advertises happy. No idea. But it's turning into a circus over there... You are correct. Its not just football supporters they detest but the white working classes in general, with their skinheads and dodgy tattoos. The sooner the vote is taken away from these people the better in their eyes. When you consider very few of the national newspapers deemed a story about a group of Algerians abusing Jews with `Sieg Heil` taunts in London worthy of any coverage at all, you get to realise selective journalism is all over our supposed `free press`. It`s a shame that ShrewinJapan seems to suggest by his post that is in some way distasteful for people to challenge media narratives and that we should only get offended by things they want you to be offended about.
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Post by onthepitch on Feb 22, 2015 12:47:13 GMT 1
Here's what I don't understand...
The guy in the video clearly pushes to board the packed train in quite an aggressive way and then gets pushed back.
He also claimed to not understand what was being chanted at the time.
So how could he then go on to say (something like) "what was I supposed to go home and tell my kids, daddy wasn't allowed on the train because he is black?"
I'm not saying any of it is acceptable, but the whole thing seems like it has been twisted to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 12:48:30 GMT 1
I think the Guardian has gone into meltdown the last few days. I really do like the Guardian, I've been reading it for over 20 years now. Other than the Independent it's where I go for my news. But some of the stuff on there these last few days has for the first time had me wondering whether I need to look elsewhere, bite the bullet and pay a subscription to another news source. I think over the last few days each and every one of societies ills has been blamed on football supporters (I mean more so by the readers and those making comments than the paper of course). I had no idea there was so much hatred towards the game and those who follow it. I don't know whether because its still free to view that they have to publish stuff that's just there to get a reaction (I think the term is click bait) just to keep the numbers up to keep the advertises happy. No idea. But it's turning into a circus over there... Yeah, that nonsense about going back to the football racism of the 70s and 80s was pure hyperbole. The ‘Guardian’ and for the matter the ‘Telegraph’ (I’ve read both) have been in steady decline for a number of years now. I started taking the ‘Indy’ a few years ago, but that can be just as bad as the rest of them sometimes. That headline about the RAF ‘clashing’ with Russian bombers near Cornwall was hyperbole that even the Daily Mail would be proud of. Let’s face it the printed media in the UK is pretty e all round to be honest. I can’t speak for Germany mind.
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Post by calimero on Feb 22, 2015 12:51:07 GMT 1
Can't speak for the print edition but the Indy and Indy100 online are the worst for clickbait headlines From what I've seen.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 22, 2015 12:51:57 GMT 1
I absolutely hope that the media would report on stories such as a group of Algerians abusing Jewish people, and am well aware of the one-sided nature of much of the news as we are fed it (had the very same discussion with a friend regarding the Ukraine situation just yesterday). However, bringing up such matters in a thread like this only serves to detract or distract from the original issue - that deplorable and embarrassing abuse of a black Frenchman in Paris by racist British thugs following Chelsea.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 13:05:00 GMT 1
Here's what I don't understand... The guy in the video clearly pushes to board the packed train in quite an aggressive way and then gets pushed back. He also claimed to not understand what was being chanted at the time. So how could he then go on to say (something like) "what was I supposed to go home and tell my kids, daddy wasn't allowed on the train because he is black?" I'm not saying any of it is acceptable, but the whole thing seems like it has been twisted to me. Wow, just wow.... you obviously have never used the underground, there was loads of room, and the guy did sod all wrong. even if he did not understand what was chanted, that obviously makes it right eh. You sir are being a bit of a tool on this occasion
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Post by onthepitch on Feb 22, 2015 13:17:12 GMT 1
Here's what I don't understand... The guy in the video clearly pushes to board the packed train in quite an aggressive way and then gets pushed back. He also claimed to not understand what was being chanted at the time. So how could he then go on to say (something like) "what was I supposed to go home and tell my kids, daddy wasn't allowed on the train because he is black?" I'm not saying any of it is acceptable, but the whole thing seems like it has been twisted to me. Wow, just wow.... you obviously have never used the underground, there was loads of room, and the guy did sod all wrong. even if he did not understand what was chanted, that obviously makes it right eh. You sir are being a bit of a tool on this occasion Not at all, I clearly stated that it was not acceptable!? And, no it doesn't make it right at all... It just makes me wary of the reporting and further commenting of the story.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 22, 2015 13:20:35 GMT 1
Here's what I don't understand... The guy in the video clearly pushes to board the packed train in quite an aggressive way and then gets pushed back. He also claimed to not understand what was being chanted at the time. So how could he then go on to say (something like) "what was I supposed to go home and tell my kids, daddy wasn't allowed on the train because he is black?" I'm not saying any of it is acceptable, but the whole thing seems like it has been twisted to me. Wow, just wow.... you obviously have never used the underground, there was loads of room, and the guy did sod all wrong. even if he did not understand what was chanted, that obviously makes it right eh. You sir are being a bit of a tool on this occasion Yeah, I think we all know what these people are. Well there were certainly one or two of that ilk on board the train anyhows. Whether they'll be able to specifically identify them though remains to be seen. I mean Chelsea can ban who they like and have done. Whether any more than that can be done we'll have to wait and see. Just to add, considering the attacks and criticism the club and its fans have had thrown their way the last couple of days I think they have acted pretty well in response to this incident Chelsea.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 22, 2015 13:49:40 GMT 1
However, bringing up such matters in a thread like this only serves to detract or distract from the original issue - that deplorable and embarrassing abuse of a black Frenchman in Paris by racist British thugs following Chelsea. What more needs to be said on the matter? Do you need every poster on here to chime in about how dreadful it was for a few cheap comment `likes`? Its the self-depricating tone you use that seems to blinker your perspective.`Racist British thugs`. Shall we dedicate a whole thread to `racist Japanese thugs`? I think that would be enough to make our hundred or so cockney knuckle draggers weep in embarrassment. Geoff may well be along shortly to `rant about anti-white racism not getting the same attention` and he`d be right. Just because you called it out first doesn't make it any less of a valid argument. It just doesn't fit your personal agenda, which seems to focus on being offended by everything British people do and nothing anybody else does.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 22, 2015 14:12:54 GMT 1
Do you not think newspapers play up on that though? I mean the Guardian is certainly left leaning and when you look to the Paris incident (its been wall to wall coverage, almost a campaign to find the people responsible) and the incident in Coventry (which I don't think was even reported in the Guardian) I'm not so sure whether its a complete indifference if the victim is white or whether they know that if they simply ignore it it will create a reaction. Which I'm sure they are more than happy with. Click bait again. I'm starting to think that the only reason the Guardian would look to report on this if it were to be found that it was a hoax and it was some local right wing nutters looking to cause trouble. Then they'd be all over it. That's where I am with my favorite newspaper at the moment...
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 22, 2015 14:31:18 GMT 1
Couldn't give a s**t about comment likes, as I'm not about 13. There's surely plenty that could be discussed about the topic other than how dreadful it was - why Chelsea in particular seem to attract those types, what if anything can be done to prevent it, etc. Self deprecating? What the hell does that mean - I'm certainly not referring to myself when I talk about racist British thugs, and I use the term because that's what they are, and because the incident occurred in another country and therefore reflects badly on us. And saying I am only offended (not the word I'd use really) by things British people do and not anyone else is just silly, and wrong. I am sickened by Palestinian attacks on Israel, and disgusted by Israel's disproportionate response. I am angered by the overt racism of Japanese right wingers, and saddened by the casual racism of many other Japanese. I am horrified by the barbarism of ISIS. Last time I checked Lance Armstrong was American, and I despise him. I've talked about all of these topics on this message board.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 22, 2015 15:55:38 GMT 1
You're right, Chelsea do have a history of football hooliganism but have also done more than most in trying to rid themselves of that 'type' of person. It's not like their players donned t-shirts of the skinhead thug from the train incident and celebrated him like a certain north west club did with one of their racists. Let's also not forget that in the corresponding fixture last year PSG supporters threw bottles and verbally abused disabled Chelsea supporters. Why was the footage of this not exposed by the Guardian?. It certainly doesn't condone the Chelsea fans behaviour the other night but no media story I read reported this within the context of their coverage.
Self-deprecation is the act of reprimanding oneself. Self-depreciation, in contrast, is belittling, undervaluing, or disparaging oneself, or being excessively modest.
i.e. a White British national pushing a black Frenchman off a train is subject to more criticism and condemnation by fellow White Brits than for example a Muslim cleric who will impose their medieval oppressive values on Western countries but will be excused on the most part as it is 'part of their culture' and we owe it to them after what we put them through during the crusades of 1095.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 22, 2015 18:15:21 GMT 1
Self-deprecation is a noun, not an adjective, meaning being humourously modest or self-critical. As far as I am aware, self-depreciation is just another way of saying the same thing. I wasn't being either (though you actually said self-depricating in your original post, which isn't even a word).
Why on earth bring muslim clerics into this? Bizarre.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Feb 22, 2015 18:50:30 GMT 1
Why on earth bring Lance Armstrong into it?
And yes it is a word. But if you want to be pedantic about spelling then I suppose that's another string to add to your bow seeing as you already predicted what I was going to say in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 18:54:58 GMT 1
I'd bet £1000 that - had this been the other way around - shrewinjapan would be conspicuous by his absence.
Best not to engage such people in political discussion.
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Post by jamo on Feb 22, 2015 19:44:43 GMT 1
Both the unsavoury incident in Paris and Arrachi's comments stand as a salutary lesson that whilst we have come some considerable way in tackling racism in our game there is still some way to go.
Let's not beat ourselves up too badly within these shores though, we still lead Europe in tackling this curse- and by some distance. Hopefully those Chelsea's fans responsible will get what's coming their way and who knows, we may get some long term gender from the events of this week.
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