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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:40:50 GMT 1
Tough opening fixture tomorrow, Australia at the MCG in front of a sell out intimidating crowd of 90,000. Weather forecast for tomorrow not too promising, hopefully the rain keeps away.
Some outspoken comments from Geoff Boycott on the eve of the game, not giving England much chance.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 13, 2015 14:53:47 GMT 1
Weather forecast for tomorrow not too promising, hopefully the rain keeps away.
Rain is probably our best chance of getting something from the game!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:56:13 GMT 1
Had tickets for Australia v England but due to my sister deciding to get married in Melbourne in a few weeks' time I couldn't go for so long and had to sell them on.
Instead I will be at the MCG for the final! Doubt I will be watching England though....
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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 13, 2015 16:00:39 GMT 1
New Zealand a good outside bet for success, hitting form at the right time with a good "Team" that work for each other very well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 16:52:10 GMT 1
New Zealand a good outside bet for success, hitting form at the right time with a good "Team" that work for each other very well. and with home advantage as well for the group stage and possibly QF/semi final. I fancy South Africa to do well...
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Post by siabod on Feb 13, 2015 17:14:13 GMT 1
All the people wanting the new captain have gone very quiet, hope he starts to deliver soon,
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Post by vanner on Feb 13, 2015 17:33:37 GMT 1
I've put a tenner on NZ to win it. They're team on paper is incredible.
I said in the other thread, I think we've got a great squad, potentially our best since 1992. I think we'll do well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 8:35:37 GMT 1
Well I will be very surprised if we chase that down......
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Post by littlebluefoot on Feb 14, 2015 10:01:44 GMT 1
Usual collapse happening
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Post by Myddleshrew on Feb 14, 2015 10:20:20 GMT 1
I've put a tenner on NZ to win it. They're team on paper is incredible. I said in the other thread, I think we've got a great squad, potentially our best since 1992. I think we'll do well. Agree I fancy the kiwis aswell
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 14, 2015 10:20:49 GMT 1
I said in the other thread, I think we've got a great squad, potentially our best since 1992. I think we'll do well. Erm....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 10:29:08 GMT 1
Feeble. Once again Sir Geoffrey is proved correct about Morgan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 11:32:32 GMT 1
Couple of points from me.
Its good to see little James Taylor standing up and having a go at the Aussies, stick that in your pipe Pietersen.
Boycott needs to lay off a bit. Not long ago he is calling for Cooks head (along with lot of us tbf), he gets that and starts having a pop at Morgan almost straight away. Morgan is one of Englands finest limited overs batsmen and he plays with a style that will not always come off, especially if he exposed by a poor start to the newer ball. He is one of very few England players to be sought after by IPL teams and if he is allowed to put his methods into this England ODI team then we will move forward.....hopefully he isn't to disheartened by the nonsensical instant headline grabbing garbage coming from Boycott
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Post by vanner on Feb 14, 2015 11:33:00 GMT 1
I said in the other thread, I think we've got a great squad, potentially our best since 1992. I think we'll do well. Erm.... Marathon not a sprint
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 11:59:47 GMT 1
What a farce of an ending, mad review system decision!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:28:49 GMT 1
Very poor start from England. Ah well only New Zealand next
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:37:55 GMT 1
By and large, Morgan has been found out (bowling outside the off stump) and hasn't been consistent for a few years now. He had a poor run of form before he was appointed captain and has had one decent score since. He may be sought after in the IPL but that is 20/20.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:39:04 GMT 1
Couple of points from me. Its good to see little James Taylor standing up and having a go at the Aussies, stick that in your pipe Pietersen. Boycott needs to lay off a bit. Not long ago he is calling for Cooks head (along with lot of us tbf), he gets that and starts having a pop at Morgan almost straight away. Morgan is one of Englands finest limited overs batsmen and he plays with a style that will not always come off, especially if he exposed by a poor start to the newer ball. He is one of very few England players to be sought after by IPL teams and if he is allowed to put his methods into this England ODI team then we will move forward.....hopefully he isn't to disheartened by the nonsensical instant headline grabbing garbage coming from Boycott If, as you say he is "one of England's finest limited overs batsmen" then he needs to start proving it as both a batsman and captain. Some of the tactical decisions taken today were strange to say the least, eg why drop Taylor down the order?
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Post by highlandshrew on Feb 14, 2015 12:54:52 GMT 1
Couple of points from me. Its good to see little James Taylor standing up and having a go at the Aussies, stick that in your pipe Pietersen. Boycott needs to lay off a bit. Not long ago he is calling for Cooks head (along with lot of us tbf), he gets that and starts having a pop at Morgan almost straight away. Morgan is one of Englands finest limited overs batsmen and he plays with a style that will not always come off, especially if he exposed by a poor start to the newer ball. He is one of very few England players to be sought after by IPL teams and if he is allowed to put his methods into this England ODI team then we will move forward.....hopefully he isn't to disheartened by the nonsensical instant headline grabbing garbage coming from Boycott If, as you say he is "one of England's finest limited overs batsmen" then he needs to start proving it as both a batsman and captain. Some of the tactical decisions taken today were strange to say the least, eg why drop Taylor down the order? And anyway he is Irish, not English.
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Post by vanner on Feb 14, 2015 12:56:11 GMT 1
We can still lose another 3 games and qualify or something stoopid. I hate the world cup format it's so crap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:00:54 GMT 1
Couple of points from me. Its good to see little James Taylor standing up and having a go at the Aussies, stick that in your pipe Pietersen. Boycott needs to lay off a bit. Not long ago he is calling for Cooks head (along with lot of us tbf), he gets that and starts having a pop at Morgan almost straight away. Morgan is one of Englands finest limited overs batsmen and he plays with a style that will not always come off, especially if he exposed by a poor start to the newer ball. He is one of very few England players to be sought after by IPL teams and if he is allowed to put his methods into this England ODI team then we will move forward.....hopefully he isn't to disheartened by the nonsensical instant headline grabbing garbage coming from Boycott If, as you say he is "one of England's finest limited overs batsmen" then he needs to start proving it as both a batsman and captain. Some of the tactical decisions taken today were strange to say the least, eg why drop Taylor down the order? I hear you...I have no problem in anyone questioning his decisions (lets not forget the coach will have some say in the batting order). I have problems with people questioning how good of a batsman he is....do you think the Aussie media slate Maxwell, Warner or Finch if they have a run of bad form? Nah they don't because they know in the next game they will go out and change the momentum of a tight game, that is my problem, this England team needs time to settle because I believe that for the first time in my lifetime they have a batting line up the is destructive enough to compete and a leader who is ballsey (SP) enough to attack and not back off in the big moments.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:11:16 GMT 1
By and large, Morgan has been found out (bowling outside the off stump) and hasn't been consistent for a few years now. He had a poor run of form before he was appointed captain and has had one decent score since. He may be sought after in the IPL but that is 20/20. I agree that it is 20/20, but that breeding ground is what is dragging ODIs into the future because the skills that have been used to compete at 20/20 level are the ones that are now being brought into the ODI arena.
Five years ago scores of 350+ were very very rare in ODIs, now they are common place and that is the effect of 20/20 and England have fallen so far behind because of the ECBs decision to protect themselves from the IPL.
But now we have a Skipper who wants to drag us (kicking & screaming it seems) into this era and all he is doing is getting slated. If all of these people commentating (Boycott et al) are ok with 250-9 off 50 overs that's fine but I am not, I want to compete and so should every England fan, so I think there should be some support for Morgan.
P.S I hope everyone knows Boycotts agenda is to get Root as ODI Captain asap - typical Yorkie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:54:43 GMT 1
The breeding ground for 50 overs cricket via 20/20 does not necessarily follow. Wright has played that form for years with conspicuous success (more so than Morgan) but has failed, largely, in the longer form. Hales, has also failed to translate. And, to all those advocating Stokes (including Botham), he was quickly found out after one decent innings in the Big Bash both with bat and ball.
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Post by vanner on Feb 14, 2015 21:14:53 GMT 1
The breeding ground for 50 overs cricket via 20/20 does not necessarily follow. Wright has played that form for years with conspicuous success (more so than Morgan) but has failed, largely, in the longer form. Hales, has also failed to translate. And, to all those advocating Stokes (including Botham), he was quickly found out after one decent innings in the Big Bash both with bat and ball. However, you could form the argument 20/20 cricket has been a huge positive in australian/Indian cricket. They're the 2 biggest 20/20 nations, both have had a lot of limited over success and australia have even turned Warner into one of the best test batsmen in the world. Australia are the opposite to us Infact. Their 20/20 'specialists' can play different forms easily. Warner, finch and maxwell for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:34:32 GMT 1
The breeding ground for 50 overs cricket via 20/20 does not necessarily follow. Wright has played that form for years with conspicuous success (more so than Morgan) but has failed, largely, in the longer form. Hales, has also failed to translate. And, to all those advocating Stokes (including Botham), he was quickly found out after one decent innings in the Big Bash both with bat and ball. However, you could form the argument 20/20 cricket has been a huge positive in australian/Indian cricket. They're the 2 biggest 20/20 nations, both have had a lot of limited over success and australia have even turned Warner into one of the best test batsmen in the world. Australia are the opposite to us Infact. Their 20/20 'specialists' can play different forms easily. Warner, finch and maxwell for starters. Australia and India the 2 biggest 20/20 nations?. Internally, maybe, but Australia has never won that world title and India only as many times as England. Indeed, Pakistan, who are effectively barred from the IPL, have won it as many times as India.
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Post by vanner on Feb 14, 2015 21:46:39 GMT 1
However, you could form the argument 20/20 cricket has been a huge positive in australian/Indian cricket. They're the 2 biggest 20/20 nations, both have had a lot of limited over success and australia have even turned Warner into one of the best test batsmen in the world. Australia are the opposite to us Infact. Their 20/20 'specialists' can play different forms easily. Warner, finch and maxwell for starters. Australia and India the 2 biggest 20/20 nations?. Internally, maybe, but Australia has never won that world title and India only as many times as England. Indeed, Pakistan, who are effectively barred from the IPL, have won it as many times as India. As in games played at the highest levels. IPL and the most recent BBL is a much higher standard than any other 20/20 competition in the world. IPL has more Aussies than any other nation bar the Indians themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 23:36:51 GMT 1
A number of those Aussies that play(ed) in the IPL have retired from International cricket. Warne/Husseys etc. Do you include those in your totals? I would have thought that there were as many South Africans/Sri Lankans in the IPL who currently play International Cricket.Oh, and who was one of the leading run scorers in this year's Big Bash? One, KP--stupidly mis-managed and left out of the current England side..
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Post by vanner on Feb 15, 2015 0:32:10 GMT 1
A number of those Aussies that play(ed) in the IPL have retired from International cricket. Warne/Husseys etc. Do you include those in your totals? I would have thought that there were as many South Africans/Sri Lankans in the IPL who currently play International Cricket.Oh, and who was one of the leading run scorers in this year's Big Bash? One, KP--stupidly mis-managed and left out of the current England side.. KP is a totally different subject.. RE IPL, Warne didn't play last season. To my knowledge, there was only 1 retired (Australian) international player. Also, guys like Finch, Maxwell, Faulkner and Warner basically made their names in t20 and in the IPL. They have proven to be match winners on a few occasions for Australia already in their fairly short careers. There is no doubt in my mind that the IPL was the springboard for them. It teaches young players how to play and respond under pressure. Just look at the list of IPL players from 2014: Rajasthan Royals: Shane Watson, James Faulkner and Steve Smith Kings 11 Punjab: Mitchell Johnson, Glenn Maxwell, George Bailey and Shaun Marsh Sunrise Hyderabad: David Warner, Aaron Finch and Moises Henriques Mumbai Indians: Mike Hussey, Josh Hazelwood and Ben Dunk Chennai Super Kings: Ben Hilfenhaus and John Hastings Kolkata Knight Riders: Chris Lynn and Pat Cummings Royal Challengers Bangalore: Mitchell Starc and Nic Maddinson Delhi Daredevils: Nathan Counter-Nile
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 8:46:35 GMT 1
Perhaps it is no coincidence that half of the players mentioned above spend a lot of time on the injured list.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 15, 2015 9:02:30 GMT 1
and a leader who is ballsey (SP) enough to attack and not back off in the big moments. Like choosing to bat second?!?!
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