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Dec 20, 2014 21:12:48 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:12:48 GMT 1
Leutweiller 7 Passley 7 Ellis 7 Goldson 8 NKP 8 Demetriou 7 Woods 6 Lawrence 6 Grant 7 Colllins 8 LAA 6
Mangen 7
NKP MOM for me
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Dec 20, 2014 21:21:45 GMT 1
Post by RBA on Dec 20, 2014 21:21:45 GMT 1
don't disagree with a lot of that maybe Woods worth a 7 BUT I would give Leutweiller an 8 for doing the very few things he had to do especially that save quite superbly Goldson would just top the MOM stakes for me Incidentally is Grandison still injured ?
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Post by Liam on Dec 20, 2014 21:25:58 GMT 1
After a slightly dodgy start, Leutwiler is increasingly looking like a very competent keeper.
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Dec 20, 2014 21:29:18 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:29:18 GMT 1
don't disagree with a lot of that maybe Woods worth a 7 BUT I would give Leutweiller an 8 for doing the very few things he had to do especially that save quite superbly Goldson would just top the MOM stakes for me Incidentally is Grandison still injured ? Grandison was ill last week so can only assume he hasn't trained much this week? Him and Ellis will both have to play at some point with Goldson and NKP close to suspensions. Update: MM revealed post match that JG is still suffering with his back which was one of the reasons he came off at Preston... not another serious structural injury for the lad I hope.
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Dec 20, 2014 21:50:06 GMT 1
Lawrence my MOM but special mentions to Collins & Goldson too.
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Dec 20, 2014 21:53:32 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:53:32 GMT 1
Lawrence my MOM but special mentions to Collins & Goldson too. I found Lawrence the hardest to rate: led the side well and did some good things but his passing and shooting were very poor at times. He's certainly improved his fitness now which is a good thing.
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Dec 20, 2014 22:32:17 GMT 1
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Post by jonbond on Dec 20, 2014 22:32:17 GMT 1
Thought Lawrence was poor really he can play so much better . Can't have goldson as an 8 , he played well but made a catastrophic mistake which should have led to a goal but for leutweiler
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Dec 20, 2014 22:37:44 GMT 1
Post by jamo on Dec 20, 2014 22:37:44 GMT 1
Goldson and Demitiriou stood out for me, assured and calm throughout. Woods was below par and Akpa Akpro needs resting.
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Dec 20, 2014 23:11:15 GMT 1
Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Dec 20, 2014 23:11:15 GMT 1
Leutweiller 7 Passley 7 Ellis 7 Goldson 8 NKP 8 Demetriou 7 Woods 6 Lawrence 6 Grant 7 Colllins 8 LAA 6 Mangen 7 NKP MOM for me Harsh on Woods and Lawrence I think. Think I was probably least impressed with Passley today. Goldson was probably the stand out, but Grant and Collins also for looking the most likely to make something happen.
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Dec 21, 2014 0:16:35 GMT 1
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Post by kmill1966 on Dec 21, 2014 0:16:35 GMT 1
Thought Knight-Percival was top drawer today, and for me our most consistent player this season. For me Woodsy wasn't as good as he has been. Lutweilers save from the mix up was a great save, he had to get down quickly for that! Collins was his normal, absolute pain in the backside for the opposition, defenders must hate playing against someone who chases down, niggles and puts a foot in and he was my MOM. Good team performance against a team who came for a draw , with a hope of us making a mistake. These games similar to the Pompey, Burton & Tranmere ones, where we grind out a result are the games that win titles!
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Post by lenny on Dec 21, 2014 0:26:56 GMT 1
Mistake was Demetriou's wasn't it? Thought it was a hospital pass that Connor couldn't reach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 1:24:39 GMT 1
Mistake was Demetriou's wasn't it? Thought it was a hospital pass that Connor couldn't reach. The pass reached Goldson but he let the ball run and it was intercepted by the Morecambe forward.
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Post by onthepitch on Dec 21, 2014 1:38:59 GMT 1
I think NKP has been a bit of an unsung hero so far this season, makes everything look so easy he barely gets a mention for MOM.
Had my doubts early in pre season but has looked a class act ever since. Quality player!!
Regarding Woods, I'd like to see him playing in a more attacking role higher up the pitch.
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Post by new2baa on Dec 21, 2014 2:20:16 GMT 1
That's how I saw it, Goldson let it run, left the rest of the backs exposed and then remonstrated loudly to deflect blame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 8:50:49 GMT 1
From where I was it looked like Goldson had no chance with Demetriou's pass who seemed to acknowledge his mistake.
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Dec 21, 2014 8:55:00 GMT 1
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 21, 2014 8:55:00 GMT 1
Nkp mom - the lads different class, it looks so easy for him. Passley and grant were the weak links- for me..
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Dec 21, 2014 10:45:58 GMT 1
Post by RBA on Dec 21, 2014 10:45:58 GMT 1
Nkp mom - the lads different class, it looks so easy for him. Passley and grant were the weak links- for me.. wonderful how we all see things differently I thought Grant was very good yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 12:19:15 GMT 1
Same here - Grant man of the match for me.
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Dec 21, 2014 12:42:11 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 12:42:11 GMT 1
I thought all of our best attacking came through Grant & Lawrence. JLAA was the weak link for me
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Dec 21, 2014 12:48:04 GMT 1
Post by TheFoz on Dec 21, 2014 12:48:04 GMT 1
Akpa-Akpro reminds me a bit of Marvin Morgan.
Puts himself about a lot but can't seem to get the goals.
Hopefully Mangan can get to full fitness soon.
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Dec 21, 2014 16:22:41 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:22:41 GMT 1
Woods played o.k.but always played the "safe" ball, usually wide, because we had no movement up- front. The football we play is nice to watch, but no- one takes a chance. How many times did Passley get into the box only to square the ball instead of having a shot, Collins the same, but at least Collins did manage some shots on target. Reminded me of the way Arsenal played, all very nice but tended to try and walk the ball into the net.
Grant and Lawrence at least had a go, but get criticised for poor shots, whereas the alternative is no bloody shots. Would now like to see Vernon given a chance, his movement is far better than JLAA, as is his heading ability. If we do one thing in the transfer window it must be to buy(or loan) a good quality forward to go with Collins. MAngan is a real " box player" , but is very weak on the ball and has no real pace.
Interesting interview by Jacobsen in the fanzine, he seems to rate Wildig very highly. Maybe it's time to give Woods a rest..?
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Dec 21, 2014 16:43:44 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 21, 2014 16:43:44 GMT 1
We were sitting directly behind Mickey D when he passed to Connor. The pass was fine but Con nor took his eye off the ball, it seemed that he was looking what to do when he received the ball He certainly tried to deflect the blame but one or two players put him straight on that one We certainly look to attack more in the second half, with less square passes and less slow deliberate build up. This means that the opposition have less time to get 10 men behind the ball. I agree that NKP is our stand out defender but I also feel that Lawrence is starting to have more influence on games aaas his fitness improves.
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Dec 21, 2014 17:36:01 GMT 1
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Post by lenny on Dec 21, 2014 17:36:01 GMT 1
Glad to be corrected on the mix-up, although thankfully its importance was diminished by Leutwiler's excellence.
Lawrence is a tricky one for me - he was, along with Grant and Collins, one of the few who looked like creating chances. He was often quite sloppy and imprecise though, including once when he tried a backheel volley and just conceded a throw. Somewhere between his style and Woods' would be the optimum, I feel, and hopefully that will come in time as he's still settling into the side after a stop-start beginning.
Also thought the team's celebration for the goal was telling, as was the passion of the utterly worn-out players at the end - many of whom needed a couple of minutes to lie down! This squad - or group, as the fanzine guys would prefer(!) - really is exciting, despite a fairly insipid performance.
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Dec 21, 2014 21:41:29 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:41:29 GMT 1
Thought Lawrence was poor really he can play so much better . Can't have goldson as an 8 , he played well but made a catastrophic mistake which should have led to a goal but for leutweiler As always the actual numbers are a bit arbitrary, it's the comparison between players which is important IMO, and I thought Goldson was one of our best players yesterday. As has been debated at length, it's difficult to know exactly who was to blame for that mistake, and if Goldson was lucky to get away with it, he was equally unlucky to have his goal mistakenly ruled offside.
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Dec 21, 2014 21:49:01 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:49:01 GMT 1
Grant and Lawrence at least had a go, but get criticised for poor shots, whereas the alternative is no bloody shots. To be fair BB, in a game where their keeper made a handful of great saves and we hit the woodwork twice, to suggest there is no alternative to poor shots is ludicrous.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Dec 21, 2014 22:19:55 GMT 1
I sometimes wonder if Liam's speed of thought with his passing is missed by his colleagues, mean a Miss Understanding which Liam gets the blame for.
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Dec 21, 2014 22:44:48 GMT 1
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 21, 2014 22:44:48 GMT 1
Love how people see things from different perspectives. I thought Lawrence was excellent yesterday. A few poor shots but seemed to want to make things happen. Really don't rate grant but others do. Also saw the mistake for their chance as goldsons error as he let the ball run across his body in order to pass along the back line to Ellis. Suppose the only thing that matters is that all the players played some part in what was possibly the most one sided 1-0 I've ever seen!
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Dec 21, 2014 22:59:46 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 22:59:46 GMT 1
Grant and Lawrence at least had a go, but get criticised for poor shots, whereas the alternative is no bloody shots. To be fair BB, in a game where their keeper made a handful of great saves and we hit the woodwork twice, to suggest there is no alternative to poor shots is ludicrous. The point I was trying to make, albeit probably not very well, is that , in good areas we seem to overplay, passing the responsibility on to others. Whereas both Grant and Lawrence will take on the responsibility and shoot. If no- one takes it on, then we end up with a spate of good play, all very well, but no end product. How many times in higher leagues do we see forwards shooting without a clear view of goal, with the ball going through a ruck of defenders and past an unsighted goalkeeper. As Shankly said, if you don,t buy a ticket.....
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Post by shrewd67 on Dec 22, 2014 0:15:27 GMT 1
Thought Lawrence was poor really he can play so much better . Can't have goldson as an 8 , he played well but made a catastrophic mistake which should have led to a goal but for leutweiler Spoke to several people Saturday night who know very little about STFC and have not been recently, certainly not this season. I asked who stood out for them; independently they all picked Collins, Woods and Lawrence. There are ocassions when Lawrence plays what looks like a poor pass though the potential recipient has checked their run or simply not read it.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 22, 2014 3:08:45 GMT 1
We were sitting directly behind Mickey D when he passed to Connor. The pass was fine but Con nor took his eye off the ball, it seemed that he was looking what to do when he received the ball He certainly tried to deflect the blame but one or two players put him straight on that one We certainly look to attack more in the second half, with less square passes and less slow deliberate build up. This means that the opposition have less time to get 10 men behind the ball. I agree that NKP is our stand out defender but I also feel that Lawrence is starting to have more influence on games aaas his fitness improves. Agree with this. Lawrence signalled to Demetriou to pass back to Goldson and the pass was fine if Goldson hadn't let it run. Great save by Leutwiler. 2nd half was more positive but we miss Wesolowski - don't know if it's coincidence but Woods' dip in form has come at the same time. Would like to see Woods be more positive sometimes. Seems too often to be laying it off to centre backs for them to make the attacking play. Surely that would be better coming from Woods himself? Maybe he needs the assurance of Wesolowski nearby. I just think Woods needs to add a bit more go forward to his game if he's to play a lot higher. Is he physically big enough to play a holding role in the higher leagues when there are plenty of others competing to do those basics? I may be wrong but I think he needs to add more of an attacking threat, plus a few goals and assists, if he's to play a couple of (or even three) leagues higher (and earn a big fee for us). I'm sure he has the ability to do it. We lacked a bit of zip yesterday against a very negative and unambitious Morecambe (who were ok defensively but did nothing when they had the ball). Maybe the pitch isn't helping but it's tough having to grind out results like that (& Burton). We could really do with a better away record to take some of the pressure off at home - given the extra space we should have away from home, we ought to be able to do this. NKP would be my only 8 from Saturday. Lawrence probably best of the rest but consistent 7/10 performances across the team is decent. No great stars but no real duds either.
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