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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 20:34:22 GMT 1
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Post by shrewder on Dec 18, 2014 20:53:27 GMT 1
Am not knowledgeable on this subject to have a viewpoint.
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 21:00:53 GMT 1
Nor's Downie but that's never stopped him before.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 18, 2014 21:13:41 GMT 1
Bloody foreigners come over here nick our jobs.. Yep... They do...
But if someone with no skills, no qualifications, no contacts, no training, comes over and takes your job... You were obviously s**t at your job!
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 21:17:42 GMT 1
Bloody foreigners. Coming over here exploiting our generous, fair minded, equitable employers.
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 21:19:50 GMT 1
Bloody fat foreigners. Coming over here eating our food, drinking our beer.
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 21:20:53 GMT 1
Bloody disabled foreigners. Coming over here claiming our benefits.
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Post by shrewder on Dec 18, 2014 21:22:12 GMT 1
Bloody fat foreigners. Coming over here eating our food, drinking our beer. Agree and spending their money in our businesses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 21:28:38 GMT 1
I am all for immigration, I have always said that, generally immigrants have better work ethics than some of our home grown who are more interested in doing the bear minimum for maximum return. But it the rulings from Brussels that p**s me off, some of which are totally baffling.
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 21:41:42 GMT 1
I am all for immigration, I have always said that, generally immigrants have better work ethics than some of our home grown who are more interested in doing the bear minimum for maximum return. But it the rulings from Brussels that p**s me off, some of which are totally baffling. Bloody Brussels ! Persecuting those poor old British employers merely for the ctime of exploiting those fat, disabled bloody foreigners.
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Post by Matster on Dec 18, 2014 21:56:15 GMT 1
Did anyone see the report about Apple products manufacturing out in China on the news? I agree about employees taking responsibility but some need protection.
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Post by jonbond on Dec 18, 2014 21:59:17 GMT 1
Of course we need a say on the EU , anyone who says we don't is clearly in denial . If there is a vote and the majority vote to stay in then the minority have to accept the vote, and vice versa . I've not heard a good argument for not having a vote yet and I doubt I will find it on here.
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Post by mattmw on Dec 18, 2014 22:04:19 GMT 1
Not quite sure this is quite the "loopy European laws" story it first seems. All the court has done is establish the principle that an employee can't be discriminated against, or sacked solely because of their weight.
The decision on whether the man in question was unfairly dismissed has been referred back to the Danish court to make the decision, and similar cases in other countries would be referred to national courts to make the decision.
Sounds a little harsh but all it does is establish employers can sack a fat man for be not being good at his job, they can't just sack him for being fat.
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Post by jamo on Dec 18, 2014 22:10:02 GMT 1
Not quite sure this is quite the "loopy European laws" story it first seems. All the court has done is establish the principle that an employee can't be discriminated against, or sacked solely because of their weight. The decision on whether the man in question was unfairly dismissed has been referred back to the Danish court to make the decision, and similar cases in other countries would be referred to national courts to make the decision. Sounds a little harsh but all it does is establish employers can sack a fat man for be not being good at his job, they can't just sack him for being fat. Now, now. Don't go spoiling their fun.
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Post by mattmw on Dec 18, 2014 22:11:12 GMT 1
Of course we need a say on the EU , anyone who says we don't is clearly in denial . If there is a vote and the majority vote to stay in then the minority have to accept the vote, and vice versa . I've not heard a good argument for not having a vote yet and I doubt I will find it on here. Agree on that one. Actually think both sides don't really want a vote though as a whole industry has built up around being pro or anti EU The pro EU parties are scared of a vote for fear of the public voting no and creating economic uncertainty and upsetting their economic backers; while anti EU parties make quite a nice living out of slating the EU whilst making quite a nice living from it. Think they are also a bit fearful if a vote place big business would chuck a load of money at a pro EU vote Think a vote is needed though to put the issue to bed and either work on a plan to get out and work outside the EU, or actually agree to stay in and get stuck into making it work
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Post by Matster on Dec 18, 2014 23:03:15 GMT 1
Ukip don't seem to mind taking Euro money to help their cause when the opportunity arises.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:57:44 GMT 1
It's that time of year when Mr D is preparing for the visit of his old friends The Ghost Of Christmas Past, Present and Future. You'd have thought they'd have given up by now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 3:20:12 GMT 1
If there is a referendum then one good thing that would happen it would be the end of UKIP.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 19, 2014 7:32:48 GMT 1
Sounds a little harsh but all it does is establish employers can sack a fat man for be not being good at his job, they can't just sack him for being fat. Because if being fat affects his health then he could be deemed as disabled. That's the bit in question. But as the summariser on five live put it yesterday, if someone lost their legs due to a car accident of their own making, they'd receive sympathy, sympathy that fat people don't get. And many disabled people are fat already, due to inability to exercise alongside water retention etc that stems from their disability. So at what point will people distinguish between disability related fatness and fat related disability. The fat benefit scrounger on the telly might now also get disability benefit too is the circumstances causing the biggest fear. But that's tabloid EU bashing at it's most outlandish.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 19, 2014 10:17:15 GMT 1
Bloody foreigners come over here nick our jobs.. Yep... They do... But if someone with no skills, no qualifications, no contacts, no training, comes over and takes your job... You were obviously s**t at your job! I suspect it'll be someone who is more than happy and prepared to work for the poor pay and working conditions that many in the UK (rightly) will not. Only the other day I was reading about some comments made by someone high up in some car manufacturing place. Looking to compare the UK workforce with their own based elsewhere. In that if they were in some trouble, late for some launch say, they could be sure that workers based in say China would be in the factory over the weekend making every effort to get the launch back on track. They said that simply wouldn't happen in the UK. The factory would be empty. Something like that anyhows. And they say it as if its a bad thing. I simply don't get that. Many a person sacrificed a great deal throughout our history so that we do not have to slog our guts out 24/7, that we do have time for our friends and family, that we do not feel pressured to work all weekend just to get some managers out of the s**t who would have no doubt but some unmanageable schedule together in the first place. I personally think many people in the UK are losing out on jobs because they are simply not prepared to meet the demands that employers are now looking to force upon their workforce. Employers however, know very well that they can continue to force these demands because they now have a very cheap steady stream of unskilled labour who are more than happy to do so because of the financial rewards on offer. When you look to the stories in the press, when they interview those who have come across to work in the UK, you will see it mentioned every now and then...that they expect us to work over the 12 hours, that they expect us to work over the weekend etc. Then they will say that the UK people aren't prepared to do that whereas they are. And because of that you will hear it said that the UK working (wo)man is lazy. Which is nonsense. Been said a fair few times about the EU, that it is the race to the bottom with regards to working conditions. So you were obviously s**t at your job? Nah.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 19, 2014 12:40:51 GMT 1
I would say the majority of Brits are lazy in respect of doing the absolute minimal required. I'm supposed to work 40 hour weeks but on average I work 75 hour weeks, no overtime payment. The vast majority of friends make comments like "you must be mad, wouldn't catch me doing that" i do a job I enjoy so it's much easier.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 19, 2014 13:07:10 GMT 1
I would say the majority of Brits are lazy in respect of doing the absolute minimal required. I'm supposed to work 40 hour weeks but on average I work 75 hour weeks, no overtime payment. The vast majority of friends make comments like "you must be mad, wouldn't catch me doing that" i do a job I enjoy so it's much easier. Interesting. Why should they do more than what is needed? More than what they are paid to do? It about working to live, not living to work isn't it. And I think that goes for the vast majority of people too. Whether Brits or say Germans. I do think its a shame however, that such an outlook on life can be deemed as being workshy and lazy. Not saying you are saying that but I'm just referring to my earlier post. I know plenty of people here (mostly Germans of course) who will simply do what is required of them and their outlook is very much why should I do more (certainly not if their is no reward for doing so). They'd look at you daft if you were working all sorts of hours or taking on additional work without any remuneration. But I wouldn't call them lazy. They are simply doing the work that is expected of them and what they are being paid to do. I do wonder whether people are quick to label others lazy just because they're simply not prepared to go above and beyond what is expected of them. Even if they happen to be performing their work adequately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:10:10 GMT 1
Has UKIP got any other policies? What happens if we leave? How will they replace the Farming subsidies that keep our food bills down? And after rounding them up and sending them home who's going to pick the fruit & veg? Will we be forced to source our produce from Europe who can sell it cheaper and who's going to deliver it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:24 GMT 1
I would say the majority of Brits are lazy in respect of doing the absolute minimal required. I'm supposed to work 40 hour weeks but on average I work 75 hour weeks, no overtime payment. The vast majority of friends make comments like "you must be mad, wouldn't catch me doing that" i do a job I enjoy so it's much easier. A wild generalisation, Ive noticed that there's plenty of people who are prepared to say Brits are lazy, not prepared to work, happy to claim benefits etc. Now replace the word "Brits" with any other nationality then there would be uproar. Ive worked in my current work place for approximately 15 years, people of all backgrounds work there and generally Ive come across the same four groups regardless of colour, age, nationality etc. 1) A minority who are useless and frankly are taking the p!ss that they actually get a wage 2) A minority who seem to be obsessed with work and do ridiculous hour's 3) A group who are hard working and do work to a decent standard but generally will not go the extra mile unless something is in it for them 4) The same as as '3' but are prepared to put in the extra effort if needed without any personal gain From my experience (my workplace plus friends and family) most people would fall into the fourth category . Appreciate that its a very small view of the world but no more so than you saying your friends wouldnt put in the extra effort.
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Post by atcham jack on Dec 19, 2014 14:01:26 GMT 1
whenever a referendum, 55% will vote to stay in. you will only get a referendum by voting Tory, something I am not prepared to do as I value my NATIONAL health service.
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Post by jamo on Dec 19, 2014 20:40:16 GMT 1
I would say the majority of Brits are lazy in respect of doing the absolute minimal required. I'm supposed to work 40 hour weeks but on average I work 75 hour weeks, no overtime payment. The vast majority of friends make comments like "you must be mad, wouldn't catch me doing that" i do a job I enjoy so it's much easier. Have I got this straight ? You are accusing the British working public to be lazy because they merely work the hours they are contracted to do ? How weird. The fact that you - and clearly an abusive employer- are prepared to allow a situation to exist whereby you work almost double your hours without pay actually beggars belief and in the main scheme of things perpetuates the problem of the exploitation of working people in this country. Very, very few people in this country work for anything other than money, in order to provide for themselves and their dependants and to allow that situation to be abused and exploited in the way you mention is a disgrace
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 20:50:43 GMT 1
Father Christmas doesn't , he works s**t loads of hours for absolutely f. ck all save for the smiles on the little children's faces .
Plus the fact he's a big fat barsteward.
How's that for exploitation .
Merry Christmas my arse .
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 19, 2014 20:54:05 GMT 1
You can look at it 2 ways, Do the bare minimum, live for the weekend. Or look at it as, you spend more time at work than anywhere else (if you take sleep into consideration) so you might aswell enjoy it and not treat it as an enemy. I work with people who rush home at 5 pm to get in and watch coronation street. I'm not judging anyone, if that's what you enjoy then fair play. I'm happy to work extra time that's what I enjoy
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Post by jamo on Dec 19, 2014 21:05:00 GMT 1
I work with people who rush home at 5 pm to get in and watch coronation street. I'm not judging anyone, if that's what you enjoy then fair play. I'm happy to work extra time that's what I enjoy Well good for you. And I am absolutely sure that your employer is equally happy for you to work 35 hours a week without pay for the sheer privilege of producing profits for him and his company. Meanwhile your family time, your social life and your personal relationships all take a substantial battering because you are happy to be abused by an unscrupulous employer Perhaps your colleagues rush home at 5pm to spend time with their spouses and children. Wierdo's .
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 19, 2014 21:28:27 GMT 1
It's not abuse by my employer there is no pressure for me to work on, I can leave at 5pm no questions asked. No spouse. No children
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