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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 19, 2014 15:46:34 GMT 1
Championship strugglers Wigan Athletic have appointed former Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay as their new manager. Mackay is still being investigated by the Football Association after claims he sent texts of a homophobic, racist and sexist nature while at Cardiff. The Scot, 42, replaces Uwe Rosler, who was sacked on 13 November with the Latics third from bottom of the table. Wigan MP Lisa Nandy urged chairman Dave Whelan not to interview Mackay when searching for a replacement for Rosler. "I know that this appointment will draw criticism in some quarters but we go into it with our eyes open and we have nothing to hide on this subject," Whelan told the club website. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30113956
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:57:02 GMT 1
Good luck Malky Mackay.
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Post by jamo on Nov 19, 2014 17:34:08 GMT 1
Strange appointment that given the number and quality of out of work managers available - most of whom would not present the baggage this man willl bring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:32:55 GMT 1
Excellent manager and will do well for them, if he is cleared by the FA - which I think he will be.
I've said before he shouldn't be allowed back in the game. But, given I'm supporting Ched Evans to come back, I suppose everyone deserves a second chance.
Good luck to him, apart from 24th February.
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Post by Scarecrow on Nov 20, 2014 9:00:11 GMT 1
Excellent manager and will do well for them, if he is cleared by the FA - which I think he will be. I've said before he shouldn't be allowed back in the game. But, given I'm supporting Ched Evans to come back, I suppose everyone deserves a second chance. Good luck to him, apart from 24th February. What an earth are you talking about? When Malky was sacked at Cardiff and the allegations first emerged you were one of the first on here to vilify him and I distinctly remember you saying in response to someone questioning your stance given you long running support for Malky "thats before we knew, he fooled all of us". Make up your mind! Also on this I am more surprised the Wigan chairman looked at Malky as he strikes me as a pretty good chairman both morally and personally. I dont think I've heard or seen anything nasty about the guy and tbh I thought the allegations about Malky would appeal to his moral side and avoid his appointment. Even so best of luck to him.
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 20, 2014 9:43:38 GMT 1
innocent till proven guilty?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 20, 2014 10:21:32 GMT 1
He's apologised which suggests he is guilty!
The only question is whether the FA have a jurisdiction over someone's private correspondence.
The idea of someone's private text messages being dug up would embarrass every single person in football.
Not on this scale, at all, but there would be a lot of 'bringing the game into disrepute' going on in private messages. From criticising the FA, to players, other managers, referees, and making jokes about all sorts of inappropriate things.
So it's going to be a brave FA panel who charge him knowing full well their own private communication would likely not hold up to similar scrutiny.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Nov 20, 2014 11:53:25 GMT 1
Good luck Malky keep the txts coming !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 12:01:40 GMT 1
Good luck Malky keep the txts coming ! Naughty, naughty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 12:25:16 GMT 1
Excellent manager and will do well for them, if he is cleared by the FA - which I think he will be. I've said before he shouldn't be allowed back in the game. But, given I'm supporting Ched Evans to come back, I suppose everyone deserves a second chance. Good luck to him, apart from 24th February. What an earth are you talking about? When Malky was sacked at Cardiff and the allegations first emerged you were one of the first on here to vilify him and I distinctly remember you saying in response to someone questioning your stance given you long running support for Malky "thats before we knew, he fooled all of us". Make up your mind! Also on this I am more surprised the Wigan chairman looked at Malky as he strikes me as a pretty good chairman both morally and personally. I dont think I've heard or seen anything nasty about the guy and tbh I thought the allegations about Malky would appeal to his moral side and avoid his appointment. Even so best of luck to him. Yes, I know that. That's why I said that even though I've said in the past he shouldn't go back, everyone deserves a second chance. But if you want to fit things into an agenda, you'll just ignore that,
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Post by kuffdam72 on Nov 20, 2014 12:40:12 GMT 1
What an earth are yothenlking about? When Malky was sacked at Cardiff and the allegations first emerged you were one of the first on here to vilify him and I distinctly remember you saying in response to someone questioning your stance given you long running support for Malky "thats before we knew, he fooled all of us". Make up your mind! Also on this I am more surprised the Wigan chairman looked at Malky as he strikes me as a pretty good chairman both morally and personally. I dont think I've heard or seen anything nasty about the guy and tbh I thought the allegations about Malky would appeal to his moral side and avoid his appointment. Even so best of luck to him. Yes, I know that. That's why I said that even though I've said in the past he shouldn't go back, everyone deserves a second chance. But if you want to fit things into an agenda, you'll just ignore that, So your more than happy to give tam the tucked in teeshirt wearing ladyboy another chance to rip the soul out of your club then.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 20, 2014 17:38:42 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 20, 2014 20:38:39 GMT 1
Excellent manager and will do well for them, if he is cleared by the FA - which I think he will be. I've said before he shouldn't be allowed back in the game. But, given I'm supporting Ched Evans to come back, I suppose everyone deserves a second chance. Good luck to him, apart from 24th February. Cardiff are still s**t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 23:38:14 GMT 1
He's apologised which suggests he is guilty! Ched Evans hasn't apologised which suggests he is innocent then
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Post by mattmw on Nov 20, 2014 23:43:31 GMT 1
Does seem an odd appointment as if found guilty you would assume there might be some kind of ban or sanctions imposed on him which could impact on ability to manage
Wigan Chairman also seems to be in hot water tonight too
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 20, 2014 23:57:46 GMT 1
Wigan owner Dave Whelan has been accused of anti-Semitism over comments he made to a national newspaper. It comes the same day a sponsor ended its agreement with the club over the appointment of Malky Mackay as manager. The Football Association is looking into allegations Mackay sent offensive text messages while Cardiff manager. Attempting to defend the Scot in an interview with the Guardian, Whelan reportedly said: "Jewish people chase money more than everybody else." His comments were described as "offensive" by West Ham co-chairman David Gold. He told BBC Radio 5 live: "I'm struggling to accept it and there it is in black and white. It's undeniable." Gold, who is Jewish, said he had known Whelan for a number of years and had never detected any anti-Semitic sentiments. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30137728
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 1:19:03 GMT 1
Any man who was able to stand working for the madman they have running Cardiff is certainly worth a second chance.
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 21, 2014 4:50:33 GMT 1
A shocking appointment. McKay is now only eating humble pie because he was found out. Those texts betray deep-seated prejudice and Whelan should be thoroughly ashamed himself. Time to step down, you bigoted old fool.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 21, 2014 11:56:59 GMT 1
He's apologised which suggests he is guilty! Ched Evans hasn't apologised which suggests he is innocent then Which suggests he believes he is innocent. Which he does. Clearly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 15:50:32 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 21, 2014 16:51:18 GMT 1
Why is the phrase 'chase money' so offensive ?
I know in current times stereotyping any group can lead to accusations of racism or a similar ism but why would any group demand an apology because they're accused of "chasing money" something any successful person does whether they're a footballer, musician, businessman or criminal come to that.............
You could put it another way, strive to be successful, would that be offensive or have I missed something? Sure I'll be corrected if I have
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:52:57 GMT 1
I agree with Weelans comment re Chinqs Brits and Paddies!as well.
Where's my tin hat!
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Post by callum on Nov 21, 2014 20:08:54 GMT 1
What did Mackay do that was so awful?
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Nov 21, 2014 22:24:44 GMT 1
Three pretty staggering posts in a row. Blimey.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 22, 2014 8:40:29 GMT 1
Three pretty staggering posts in a row. Blimey. I simply asked a question about what was offensive about the phrase chasing money .. If you find it so 'staggering' perhaps you could explain why and in doing so answer the question?
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Nov 22, 2014 13:54:14 GMT 1
Three pretty staggering posts in a row. Blimey. I simply asked a question about what was offensive about the phrase chasing money .. If you find it so 'staggering' perhaps you could explain why and in doing so answer the question? Sure thing, davycrocket. First of all, Whelan's comments didn't merely imply that Jewish people chase money, much like we all strive to do. His actual comment was that Jewish people "chase money more than anybody else." So straight away you've got him making racial distinctions there, as opposed to comparing them to footballers, musicians, criminals etc. In any case the reason that insuiating that all Jewish people "Chase money" is because this untrue stereotype has been used as a means to promote and increase antisemitism for millennia, helping to lead to countless examples of them being discriminated against and persecuted. Feel free to read more - Economic AntisemitismI don't know if you genuinely didn't realise this, but I find it staggering (yes, staggering) that a man in Whelan's position wouldn't realise the offensiveness of such remarks, let alone air them in public. Fred " Chris Weale is s**t and Clipart is great" in his Shed and Callum, if you need me to explain why the word "chink" or the lexicon of racism that Mackay spouted are offensive, feel free to give me a shout.
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Post by bordersalopian on Nov 22, 2014 14:13:19 GMT 1
I simply asked a question about what was offensive about the phrase chasing money .. If you find it so 'staggering' perhaps you could explain why and in doing so answer the question? Sure thing, davycrocket. First of all, Whelan's comments didn't merely imply that Jewish people chase money, much like we all strive to do. His actual comment was that Jewish people "chase money more than anybody else." So straight away you've got him making racial distinctions there, as opposed to comparing them to footballers, musicians, criminals etc. In any case the reason that insuiating that all Jewish people "Chase money" is because this untrue stereotype has been used as a means to promote and increase antisemitism for millennia, helping to lead to countless examples of them being discriminated against and persecuted. Feel free to read more - Economic AntisemitismI don't know if you genuinely didn't realise this, but I find it staggering (yes, staggering) that a man in Whelan's position wouldn't realise the offensiveness of such remarks, let alone air them in public. Fred " Chris Weale is s**t and Clipart is great" in his Shed and Callum, if you need me to explain why the word "chink" or the lexicon of racism that Mackay spouted are offensive, feel free to give me a shout. Just a quick question - and apologies in advance if I'm being ignorant....but how can anti-Semitic views about the Jewish community be classed as 'racist'? Surely Judism is a religion, not a race....ergo, anti-semtic views can't be alledged to be racist in a legally binding aspect? That said, anyone else think that this whole situation is just massive overkill by the media? Surely the alledged corruption at the higher echelons of football (FIFA, UEFA, FA) is more poisionous and detrimental to the sport? Whatever next? Black ex-pros complaining that they don't get hiring as managers due to the colour of year skin? I'm still waiting in the first openly gay player to alledge that they haven't been signed by a higher level club due to their sexual orientation. This is country is far to liberal for it's own good....it's not really 'racist, sexist or homophobic' - and as alluded to early, the events were taken from private texts and emails between two individuals. Private agenda anyone?
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Post by callum on Nov 22, 2014 14:58:01 GMT 1
I simply asked a question about what was offensive about the phrase chasing money .. If you find it so 'staggering' perhaps you could explain why and in doing so answer the question? Sure thing, davycrocket. First of all, Whelan's comments didn't merely imply that Jewish people chase money, much like we all strive to do. His actual comment was that Jewish people "chase money more than anybody else." So straight away you've got him making racial distinctions there, as opposed to comparing them to footballers, musicians, criminals etc. In any case the reason that insuiating that all Jewish people "Chase money" is because this untrue stereotype has been used as a means to promote and increase antisemitism for millennia, helping to lead to countless examples of them being discriminated against and persecuted. Feel free to read more - Economic AntisemitismI don't know if you genuinely didn't realise this, but I find it staggering (yes, staggering) that a man in Whelan's position wouldn't realise the offensiveness of such remarks, let alone air them in public. Fred " Chris Weale is s**t and Clipart is great" in his Shed and Callum, if you need me to explain why the word "chink" or the lexicon of racism that Mackay spouted are offensive, feel free to give me a shout. Rickerton i don't need you to explain anything, i wasn't aware Mackay had said these words hence the question. I do think that people overreact slightly, getting upset by that? dear me.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 23, 2014 13:43:07 GMT 1
Dave Whelan says he will resign as Wigan chairman if the Football Association punishes him for the controversy in which Cardiff owner Vincent Tan has labelled him "racist". The FA's investigation into Whelan's comments about Jewish and Chinese people will be treated "as a priority". Whelan, who has denied being racist, made the comments while defending his decision to appoint Malky Mackay. "Should they even suggest I'm guilty I would immediately resign," he said. In an interview with ITV News, Whelan added that he does not expect to be found guilty because "I'm absolutely anti-racist, always have been, always will be". The FA issued a statement on Friday in which it said it was "very concerned" by the situation and had written to Whelan. The 77-year-old must respond to the FA by Wednesday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30164891
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Nov 24, 2014 18:23:40 GMT 1
Sorry, I'm a bit late to the party on this one but can someone explain why Bob Rickerton is the all encompassing judge, jury and executioner when it comes to defining what is racist or what isn't?
I don't find what Whelan said offensive, for me saying that Jews 'chase money' is as much of a stereotype as the Germans being efficient or the British liking roast beef. Not ideal, slightly naive but certainly not in the category of being racist. As a person of Jewish heritage, does that give me any qualifications to pass judgement on this or do I have to bow to Rickerton's superior knowledge on this one?
The other comment regarding the term 'chink' is an unequivocally ill-advised comment to make but it is just typical of modern day society and social media mob justice that a 78 year-old working class born northerner should be hung out to dry for making one silly comment. I don't agree with the words he used but to an extent I agree with the sentiment. If you were to take phone and email records of every person in this country, more than most would be guilty of something.
Now 'Kick it Out', an intrinsically racist, agenda pushing organisation who have done far more damaging things for 'equality' than good are offering to 'coach' Whelan and get him upto speed with the nauseating political correctness that they claim to abide by. A fate worth than death you might say. And they've also questioned whether he is 'fit and proper' enough to carry on as owner at Wigan. After investing that much money into the club, I think it is his decision and his alone if he wants to step down, don't you?
I once put it to Jason Roberts on Twitter as to why he was so fascinated and caught up with the Anton Ferdinand affair and Mourinho's claim that football wasn't racist that the whole Nicholas Anelka anti-semitism row seemed to pass him by. His reply was the exact words 'because there are people better placed to comment than me'.
Roughly translated to 'If the perpetrator of an alleged racist incident isn't white than it doesn't really interest us as in our conceited personal opinions racism can only ever be a one way street'.
I don't recall Kick It Out or any of their militant mouthpieces messrs Ferdinand, Carlisle, Roberts or Barnes telling Emmanuel Frimpong that he needed lectures and should resign for his job when he referred to Spurs fans as 'yid scum'.
I wonder why that was.
I'm behind Dave and Malky on this one. Good luck to the pair.
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