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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2015 19:22:02 GMT 1
I guess it was expected but I've seen it written so many times that he hasn't shown any remorse and should apologise. He has now done so. And surprise surprise it's all too little, too late. Do you think folk are getting a kick out of this? That they understand and appreciate the power they have within the mob and they're indulging in it to the max? Looking again to the number of uninformed comments I'd say this is as much a power trip as a which hunt. The indecent itself is all rather nasty and unpleasant. The reaction and behaviour of a fair few people towards it has been a real eye opener too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:31:11 GMT 1
So this is what it's come to?"Oldham Athletic have decided against signing convicted rapist Ched Evans following threats to the club's "staff and their families". A club director told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that a staff member was informed a named relative would be raped if the deal went ahead." I wouldn't want him playing for town but what corner will this saga turn next? Worth mentioning that Manchester Police have stated that they’re not aware of any direct threats made against Oldham’s directors or families, beyond “low level abuse on Twitter.” Starting to look like they bottled signing him because of sponsors dropping out, and then heavily exaggerated the extent of the threats in order to change the focus of the story and garner sympathy. Also worth mentioning that Evans’ apology is a bit of a non-apology really. Apologising for “the effects of the night” rather than the behaviour itself, and apologising for those effects on many people “ not least the woman concerned” doesn’t go nearly far enough. Would he have been so “sorry” if the deal with Oldham hadn’t collapsed? Absolute scumbag, delighted to hear that the move’s fallen through. The actual victim in this case has been largely forgotten - apart from the hiddeous site setup by Evans father in law - she has had to move after her name was mentioned (breaking the law) and been the victim of a smeer campaign. She has not sold her story to the gutter press like some have in the past and is now living in fear I dare say. Evans has come out this looking pretty dim and the half hearted "Apology" isn't far off saying "what can I say...I was p**sed" - personally I stopped using that excuse in my teens Mr Evans.
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 8, 2015 19:53:58 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:57:59 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. He was found guilty in a court of law. And he can't coach due to being on the sex offenders register.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:58:55 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Also I would class rapists as "Lily Livered" and would not want such a person playing in a Town shirt - moral compass and all that.
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Post by buryshrew on Jan 8, 2015 20:08:01 GMT 1
the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat I don't think you have grasped the purpose of sponsorship. It's not just about supporting the club!
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Post by shrewder on Jan 8, 2015 20:12:14 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Surprising viewpoint from you AJ that will divide opinion.
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Post by callum on Jan 8, 2015 20:17:21 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Would you move on if it was your daughter he'd been involved with? Also what would Evan's stance be if his daughter had been raped (if he had one).
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Post by callum on Jan 8, 2015 20:17:37 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Would you move on if it was your daughter he'd been involved with? Also what would Evan's stance be if his daughter had been raped (if he had one).
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Post by callum on Jan 8, 2015 20:18:32 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Would you move on if it was your daughter he'd been involved with? Also what would Evan's stance be if his daughter had been raped (if he had one).
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Post by mattmw on Jan 8, 2015 20:28:16 GMT 1
Worth mentioning that Manchester Police have stated that they’re not aware of any direct threats made against Oldham’s directors or families, beyond “low level abuse on Twitter.” Starting to look like they bottled signing him because of sponsors dropping out, and then heavily exaggerated the extent of the threats in order to change the focus of the story and garner sympathy. Also worth mentioning that Evans’ apology is a bit of a non-apology really. Apologising for “the effects of the night” rather than the behaviour itself, and apologising for those effects on many people “ not least the woman concerned” doesn’t go nearly far enough. Would he have been so “sorry” if the deal with Oldham hadn’t collapsed? Absolute scumbag, delighted to hear that the move’s fallen through. The actual victim in this case has been largely forgotten - apart from the hiddeous site setup by Evans father in law - she has had to move after her name was mentioned (breaking the law) and been the victim of a smeer campaign. She has not sold her story to the gutter press like some have in the past and is now living in fear I dare say. Evans has come out this looking pretty dim and the half hearted "Apology" isn't far off saying "what can I say...I was p**sed" - personally I stopped using that excuse in my teens Mr Evans. A side issue of this case, which I hadn't really grasped before is that rape victims don't actually get a representative in court able to counter accusations about them by the defence. The prosecution act to get a guilty verdict but this restricts them to set legal issues and they can't counter accusations made about the victims private life. Nor indeed to they reveal similar details about the accused in court
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jan 9, 2015 2:13:11 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. He was found guilty in a court of law. And he can't coach due to being on the sex offenders register. And that's another issue isn't it. If he can't coach due to being on the sex offenders register - i.e. he's not allowed to be in contact with youngsters, why is he allowed to be a footballer baring in mind any club he signs for will have a youth team, apprentices, ball boys let alone young spectators - i.e. he'll be in contact with youngsters... How does that work??
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Post by Dale on Jan 9, 2015 12:51:18 GMT 1
When is his appeal, around September or October isn't it? Think Ched Evans needs to await the outcome of that before trying to launch a career in professional football again, given how Ched Evans staunchly denies any wrongdoing and is supported by his girlfriend and her father it will be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 9, 2015 13:05:21 GMT 1
When is his appeal, around September or October isn't it? Think Ched Evans needs to await the outcome of that before trying to launch a career in professional football again, given how Ched Evans staunchly denies any wrongdoing and is supported by his girlfriend and her father it will be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal. Totally agree. I have posted something similar earlier in the post. It is a shame that his defence didn't only advise him not to apologise, etc., but also to keep a low profile, keep fit (the family must be able to afford a gym!), and then when the result of the review comes through start again.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 9, 2015 13:32:28 GMT 1
When is his appeal, around September or October isn't it? Think Ched Evans needs to await the outcome of that before trying to launch a career in professional football again, given how Ched Evans staunchly denies any wrongdoing and is supported by his girlfriend and her father it will be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal. There is still no guarantee he will actually get an appeal. He has asked for a review of the case based on a miscarriage of justice - seemingly that the judge misdirected the jury in his summing up. That is currently being reviewed and while its been fast tracked it still could be some months before they make a decision Only 8% of cases made to that Commission actually result in a new appeal or court case. Even if it did get approved actual appeal could also take months or years to take place. He has also had two previous leaves to appeal turned down through the courts
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Post by Bordershrew on Jan 9, 2015 15:05:31 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Would you move on if it was your daughter he'd been involved with? Also what would Evan's stance be if his daughter had been raped (if he had one). I'd be more concerned that my daughter was snorting cocaine, smoking dope and going back to hotel rooms with footballers (Macdonald) within minutes of meeting them in kebab houses.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 9, 2015 15:18:23 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. he has served his sentence, the PFA are backing him, time to move on and for him to resume his career, albeit in a backroom role if lily livered sponsors cannot stand the heat Also I would class rapists as "Lily Livered" and would not want such a person playing in a Town shirt - moral compass and all that. And what would your view be on supporters that threatened club staff with everything up to death if they signed him?
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Post by mattmw on Jan 9, 2015 15:27:27 GMT 1
Also I would class rapists as "Lily Livered" and would not want such a person playing in a Town shirt - moral compass and all that. And what would your view be on supporters that threatened club staff with everything up to death if they signed him? According to David Conn the journalist Manchester Police have contacted Oldham on three occasions in the last 24 hours asking for detail of these threats but none have been reported to the Police.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 18:38:43 GMT 1
the lad has apologised for something he may be proved not to have done. He was found guilty in a court of law. So were the Birmingham bombers....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 19:00:28 GMT 1
Some very thought provoking responses on QT last night about this, think the whole issue has been given to much ait time as it is!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 19:21:30 GMT 1
He was found guilty in a court of law. So were the Birmingham bombers.... And in 20 odd years time if Evans's conviction is overturned then then we can all apologise and eat some humble pie! Till then he is guilty as charged. By the way, does anyone else think his girlfriends a right munter!
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Post by R6ix on Jan 9, 2015 22:44:56 GMT 1
every media outlet has to prefix his name with convicted rapist, it gives the impression he dragged some poor lass off the street and brutalized her, this girl was happy to enjoy their company and to go to a hotel with them, im not sure what is what but id bet the worst thing he did that nite is cheat on his bird?
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Post by champagneprince on Jan 9, 2015 22:58:27 GMT 1
Wrong!
She was happy to go to a hotel with McDonald and happy to enjoy his company.
Ched came along later and then videoed by his mates at the window decided in his own mind that she was up for it, even though she was blind drunk and incapable of showing she wanted intercourse with him.
He still put his d*ck in her though.
That's rape.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 9, 2015 23:05:02 GMT 1
every media outlet has to prefix his name with convicted rapist, it gives the impression he dragged some poor lass off the street and brutalized her, this girl was happy to enjoy their company and to go to a hotel with them, im not sure what is what but id bet the worst thing he did that nite is cheat on his bird? The press refer to him as a convicted rapist as that, as that's what he has been convicted of, through an established legal process in front of a jury of his peers. At some point in the future he may be able to appeal his conviction and if successful wouldn't be a convicted rapist. British law is pretty straight forward really
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 19:16:26 GMT 1
So it's going to appeal then...Very interesting
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Oct 5, 2015 19:41:53 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Oct 5, 2015 20:40:31 GMT 1
Legal bloggers suggest the appeal will revolve around the medical evidence given at the original trial.
Evan's original appeal that was turned down was to present new evidence over the victims condition, and whether she was in a reasonable condition to consent to sleep with Evans.
The original appeal judge turned down reviewing that evidence as he felt it wasn't relevant to the trail. His interpretation was Evans hadn't taken enough precautions to consider if the victim was consenting to sleep with him.
Only other suggestion could be whether a new witness has come forward
Just because it's gone to appeal doesn't mean too much one way or the other, just that new evidence is now available which should be considered.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Oct 5, 2015 21:11:58 GMT 1
polarizes views this one!!
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 6, 2015 9:26:55 GMT 1
Apparently 68% of these referred cases are successful according to a piece on Radio 4 yesterday.
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 6, 2015 11:00:44 GMT 1
He was found guilty in a court of law. So were the Birmingham bombers.... Let's empty the prisons and save the country a fortune then?
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