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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 16:51:20 GMT 1
Hopefully this wont happen straight away. I think there has to be some time spent first reflecting on what has happened, to agree what are the best steps to move forward on this given the public outcry in this particular case.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 22, 2014 1:07:27 GMT 1
Sheffield United co-chairman Jim Phipps says he is "angry" they have been forced to deny convicted rapist Ched Evans the chance to train at the club. The Blades retracted the offer to Evans after heavy criticism and high-profile club supporters speaking out. "I'm angry that we are not able to get a chance to do for this footballer what should be done," Phipps said. "The influence of mob-like behaviour has made it difficult to take the simple step of allowing Ched to train." The American added: "I'm upset that we are not able to do what we wanted to do. "But I acknowledge that my view is not the only view. My principles and the board's principles are not the only thing that matter. "I will acknowledge that our decision to not let Ched train is probably a decision that will make it harder for him to get on with his football career in the immediate future. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30151774
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 22, 2014 7:47:53 GMT 1
Oh for goodness sake, what on earth did they expect!!!!!
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Dec 1, 2014 12:14:12 GMT 1
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Dec 22, 2014 0:38:36 GMT 1
Hartlepool have ruled out signing convicted rapist Ched Evans. The 25-year-old was released in October after serving half of a five-year sentence for the rape of a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011. Hartlepool manager Ronnie Moore had said he was considering signing the former Sheffield United striker. But in a statement the club said they " do not intend signing Ched Evans" despite "his obvious ability as a football player". Evans, who has played 13 times for Wales, maintains his innocence and has asked the Criminal Cases Review Commission to review his case. Moore charge of the Football League's bottom club on Tuesday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30568783
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Post by offshoreshrew on Dec 22, 2014 1:26:55 GMT 1
Does anyone remember the nurses home by the tennis courts in Kingsland by shrewsbury school. I am sure that i woke up there on a few occasions in bed with a nursey who HAD NOT ASKED IF I WANTED SEX. Guess they are still nursing. Equality and all that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jamo on Dec 22, 2014 8:10:37 GMT 1
Does anyone remember the nurses home by the tennis courts in Kingsland by shrewsbury school. I am sure that i woke up there on a few occasions in bed with a nursey who HAD NOT ASKED IF I WANTED SEX. Guess they are still nursing. Equality and all that !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes dressed as a caveman ! Seems appropriate now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 10:01:46 GMT 1
Does anyone remember the nurses home by the tennis courts in Kingsland by shrewsbury school. I am sure that i woke up there on a few occasions in bed with a nursey who HAD NOT ASKED IF I WANTED SEX. Guess they are still nursing. Equality and all that !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why not pop yourself off (no pun intended) to the police and make a complaint then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jan 3, 2015 1:44:21 GMT 1
Convicted rapist Ched Evans has been offered a contract by Maltese club Hibernians. The former Sheffield United striker, 26, was released from prison in October after serving half of a five-year sentence for the rape of a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011. Club vice-president Stephen Vaughan said: "We are looking for a top striker and Ched fits the bill. "We've spoken to his agent and offered a deal until the end of the season." Evans played for Sheffield United at the time of his conviction and, after his release from prison, was initially given permission to use the League One club's training facilities. The Blades later retracted their offer after strong opposition from some supporters and club patrons. More than 165,000 people signed a petition opposing Evans's possible re-employment by the club. Evans continues to maintain his innocence. An inquiry into the conviction is underway. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30662865
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 2:26:50 GMT 1
Owned by that nice man former Chester owner Stephen Vaughan. If anyone can get him a passport Steve can.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 3, 2015 8:07:15 GMT 1
I can't believe Steven Vaughan's team in Malta had the son of the guy who just screwed over Hereford playing for them. You just couldn't write it, and it's a mockery of our governance structures that allow these cowboys.
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 3, 2015 9:02:38 GMT 1
IMO Ched Evans should do nothing until judicial revue into his case is over, if it goes for him, he is free to take up football again, if it goes against him he should apologise, be contrite and take up another career
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Post by theriverside on Jan 3, 2015 14:07:45 GMT 1
Surprise surprise Evans's agent confirms there has been no contact with or contract offer from the Maltese.........habitual liars those scouse mafia. Think Evans would fit in well there
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Post by champagneprince on Jan 3, 2015 18:58:44 GMT 1
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jan 3, 2015 19:26:01 GMT 1
Sign him up somebody . I'd rather see him playing football than paying his giro through my tax !
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 3, 2015 19:36:39 GMT 1
IMO Ched Evans should do nothing until judicial revue into his case is over, if it goes for him, he is free to take up football again, if it goes against him he should apologise, be contrite and take up another career I think that's easier said than done if you firmly believe that you are innocent. And I think that's the thing in all this, there is enough doubt to have some understanding as to why he simply will not accept the result of the trial and any additional judicial revue. Tricky one to judge.
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Post by R6ix on Jan 3, 2015 20:52:31 GMT 1
the prosecution in the case said the girl was completely drunk and unable to make any rational decision, but the video of her entering the hotel shows a different picture,
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Post by champagneprince on Jan 3, 2015 21:46:47 GMT 1
A comprehensive review of the case www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evansBear in mind when reading it that none of us were in the courtroom or part of the jury. Essentially it came down to who they believed. Did the girl suffer memory loss due to the effects of alcohol (and drugs) and therefore was unable to remember providing Evans with consent? Or did McDonald 'find a girl' for him and Evans to share that once in the hotel room was only ever going to go one way? The way the girl, Evans and McDonald responded to questioning in the court room looks like it was the significant factor on getting the jury to believe them. She consented to sex with McDonald but the jury didn't think she did with Evans.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 4, 2015 10:22:18 GMT 1
the prosecution in the case said the girl was completely drunk and unable to make any rational decision, but the video of her entering the hotel shows a different picture, Yeah, I think that's why there is plenty of doubt about the whole thing. She was also able to enter a kebab shop, order and pay for food. She was also able to hold conversations with others. She was also able to text a friend. Strange one because you would think that the jury would have to be 100% sure that consent was not given or could not be assumed. She couldn't remember a thing about the night in question (other than the kebab shop) whilst both men stated that she had consented verbally. But the jury came to the conclusion that was not the case. Bearing in mind it was only those three in the room. Maybe there is more to it than what is available to read on the web but it's a strange one for me. You have to be 100% don't you with something like this. I'm struggling to understand how those within the jury can be...
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Post by woodywoodpecker on Jan 4, 2015 11:08:14 GMT 1
the prosecution in the case said the girl was completely drunk and unable to make any rational decision, but the video of her entering the hotel shows a different picture, Yeah, I think that's why there is plenty of doubt about the whole thing. She was also able to enter a kebab shop, order and pay for food. She was also able to hold conversations with others. She was also able to text a friend. Strange one because you would think that the jury would have to be 100% sure that consent was not given or could not be assumed. She couldn't remember a thing about the night in question (other than the kebab shop) whilst both men stated that she had consented verbally. But the jury came to the conclusion that was not the case. Bearing in mind it was only those three in the room. Maybe there is more to it than what is available to read on the web but it's a strange one for me. You have to be 100% don't you with something like this. I'm struggling to understand how those within the jury can be... Same way a I see it, I also read that after an examination there was no evidence of rape, doesn't mean she wasn't raped of course -just that there was no evidence. So effectively the men convicted themselves by admitting they had sex with her, if they had told police that they also couldn't remember it could have been interesting. It all comes down to did she say yes or not, and nobody apart from the 3 involved know.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jan 4, 2015 11:55:33 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 12:08:44 GMT 1
What is consent in cases such as this? I have no intention of defending Evans or trivialising this or other such cases, but I've slept with plenty of women over the years and I'm pretty sure that on no occasion did I get any kind of formal agreement or verbal consent, rather consent has been infered and as such, technically open to all sorts of interpretations.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 4, 2015 13:05:28 GMT 1
Got to be Notts County, history of rehabilitating ex cons...........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 13:07:30 GMT 1
the prosecution in the case said the girl was completely drunk and unable to make any rational decision, but the video of her entering the hotel shows a different picture, Intoxication isn’t instantaneous though. So she may look ok on the CCTV footage, but by the time Evans turns up she could well be suffering the effects of excess consumption. The Ched Evans website invites people to form an opinion based on a small amount of footage.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 4, 2015 13:15:30 GMT 1
Oldham Athletic according to BBC news
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 4, 2015 13:37:22 GMT 1
the prosecution in the case said the girl was completely drunk and unable to make any rational decision, but the video of her entering the hotel shows a different picture, Intoxication isn’t instantaneous though. So she may look ok on the CCTV footage, but by the time Evans turns up she could well be suffering the effects of excess consumption. The Ched Evans website invites people to form an opinion based on a small amount of footage. But a drunken consent is still a consent (I gather anyhows looking to that Crime Line website above)? Both men said she said yes when asked if Evans could join in, both men state that she was an enthusiastic participant (that she asked Evans to perform oral sex on her after agreeing he could join in). He's a dick head for getting himself in that situation but if what the two men say is true (and there is no one, not even the victim, who can disprove that) who wouldn't take that as consent? Its a ugly situation but the thing for me is that when it comes to this sort of thing (as is clear from what is happening to Evens now) you have to be 100% that he did indeed rape the woman. And with what information is available, I'm struggling as to how someone can be. The more you look to the information the more you can understand why he isn't willing to accept the judgement.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 4, 2015 14:05:03 GMT 1
Oldham Athletic according to BBC news Yes. They also gave Lee Hughes a contract when he was released from prison.
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Post by champagneprince on Jan 4, 2015 16:53:17 GMT 1
Yep, the jury has to be 100% that he raped this girl but like I said earlier we weren't in the courtroom, reading a review of the case is very different to actually being there.
This was a 12-0 vote after a 4 hour deliberation.
She was drunk, did not consent to intercourse (she doesn't have to say 'yes' or 'no' it can be implied) and he has had sex with an unconscious (or virtually unconscious) girl. It is also important to note that the girl has wanted to remain anonymous and declined an out-of-court settlement. It doesn't look like she was making it up, she believed she was raped and wanted justice. There was no sign of violence because there was no struggle, but no violence doesn't mean no rape. This shows that she was either willing or was unconscious.
The Judge (to the jury) said: "So you will need to consider the evidence of the complainant's state and decide these two questions: was she in a condition in which she was capable of making any choice one way or another? If you are sure that she was not, then she did not consent. If, on the other hand, you conclude that she chose to agree to sexual intercourse, or may have done, then you must find the defendants not guilty."
When he came to pass sentence the judge said: ".... [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that."
An unconscious (or nearly unconscious girl) who seems to have been 'willing' to that point leaves a man with a decision to make. Does he have sex with the woman or does he control himself and say 'no this might be wrong'?
Evans chose to have sex with her and therefore it's rape. He wouldn't control himself, when he could've done.
The only chance he has is if he argues successfully that she was still fully conscious following an implication that sex was going to happen (this is what McDonald said and the jury did not believe him). Maybe if we were on the jury and listened to all the witnesses we would also have come to the same 12-0 agreement? Whilst it might look 'borderline' on paper it might have been much easier to make a judgement on what really happened and who to believe if we were in the courtroom itself.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 4, 2015 17:07:22 GMT 1
It's just so grey isn't it?
The only two people in the world who have testified that he had sex with her were the two footballers.
If she hadn't consented, why would they incriminate themselves?
There is no medical evidence linking Evans to having had sex with her, only his own testimony.
If she wasn't so drunk she consented with the first chap, how could that extra ten minutes have made any difference?
She passed out during sex?
It's a right mess, that's for sure. But there will be students bricking it all over the land if that's rape.
She didn't say no. He's guilty of rape because there's no evidence she said yes. But then there's no evidence they had sex either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 17:09:43 GMT 1
My money is on him getting acquitted in the end
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