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Post by jonbond on Nov 13, 2014 22:14:53 GMT 1
I see Jessica Ennis has come out and asked for her name to be taken off the stand named after her if Evans is given a contract . This has now become one of the worst witchunts in modern British history . Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick had nothing like this to deal with despite commiting more serious crimes
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 13, 2014 23:42:56 GMT 1
Story here about Jessica Ennis-Hill wanting her name to be removed from a stand named after her by Sheffield United if the club offers convicted rapist Ched Evans a contract. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30046618
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Nov 14, 2014 8:10:24 GMT 1
Yes, the message I took, is perhaps that the jury believed that the complainant had consented to sex prior to going back to the hotel with McDonald, but then was not in a state to provide consent when back at the hotel. Which still leaves me scratching my head. So how many times do you have to ask then?! Also "consent" .. This must be clear, I've asked girls on nights out "can I have sex with you" and it sorta kills the moment a bit! Not really the best chat up line. But if I were the referee (judge) , then it wasn't rape, and also he's served his sentence, had he been in any other profession he would of returned to work - no issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 8:41:50 GMT 1
Yes, the message I took, is perhaps that the jury believed that the complainant had consented to sex prior to going back to the hotel with McDonald, but then was not in a state to provide consent when back at the hotel. Which still leaves me scratching my head. So how many times do you have to ask then?! Also "consent" .. This must be clear, I've asked girls on nights out "can I have sex with you" and it sorta kills the moment a bit! Not really the best chat up line. But if I were the referee (judge) , then it wasn't rape, and also he's served his sentence, had he been in any other profession he would of returned to work - no issues. Really !!!!!
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Post by shrewder on Nov 14, 2014 9:23:13 GMT 1
As he is out on license to serve the rest of his sentence in the community, probably the only way to solve this may be to let him back into football when this part of his sentence is complete. Only an observation, don't believe there is a solution to this that will satisfy all.
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 14, 2014 10:22:33 GMT 1
had he been in any other profession he would of returned to work - no issues. Apart from teaching, child care, junior coaching, social work, housing officer, nursing, taxi driver, coach/ bus driver, ice cream man, photographer, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Personally I would then add professional footballer to that list as the last type of person I would ever want my kids or grandkids looking up to. Maybe had he been a factory worker or banker he could have stepped back into his career, but there are many jobs out there he couldn't even be considered for. Maybe it's time to choose a different career path. On a separate tack, what the hell is his girlfriend still doing with him? Can you imagine the conversation when he got back from the police station ''Oh hi sweetheart, just been charged with rape, but I didn't really rape her I just fancied a shag so one of my mates shared a *ed up slapper with me and apparently she didn't say yes. I was *ed too so can't remember asking LOL.''
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 14, 2014 10:39:27 GMT 1
Those Sheffield United deliberations: "We'll let him train with us and if he's still good after his time in prison, we'll sign him up again. If he's lost his form, we'll say we have thought long and hard about the issues, and as bastions of the community, sexual equality and morality, we have dispensed with his services."
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Nov 14, 2014 23:20:40 GMT 1
Her tweets were interesting....
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Nov 15, 2014 15:57:21 GMT 1
One of the big problems here is that it's football. Football teams/leagues/fans seam to think that football is above everything else. While I agree with the reablitation of offenders and they should be allowed to live thier lives as they wish, I don't belive it should be a life in front of the public.
I have to ask those defending Sheff U. and Ched Evans how would you feel if he signed for Town, would you want your young child idolising him because he can stick a ball in the back of the net. How would it look for a young girl to wear a shirt with Evans writen on the back of it, the idea of it makes me feel sick.
If it get's proven he is innocent then fine, but at this moment in time he's not, he guilty as proven in a court of law.
Football needs to have a long hard look at it's self and realise that no matter what level the game is played at there is alway some one that will look up and copy players.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 16, 2014 0:54:25 GMT 1
Sheffield United have condemned attacks on those who have criticised the club's decision to allow convicted rapist Ched Evans to train with the club. Police are investigating Twitter abuse directed at Olympic heptathlon champion Jessica Ennis-Hill. United said in a statement they were appalled at the abuse being levelled at some of their high-profile supporters. The club added that the perpetrators will be banned from Bramall Lane for life. Ennis-Hill had said that she wanted her name to be removed from a stand at United's ground if former Blades striker and Wales international Evans, 25, was offered a contract with the League One club. One of United's kit sponsors has also said it will end its association if Evans is re-signed, while three patrons of the club have resigned in the past few days. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30072355
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 16, 2014 1:35:57 GMT 1
Ched Evans is a rapist. FACT.
Rapists could get a job out there working alongside you or I (look at your work colleague, do you really know who they are?), but the chances are that you will never know.
HR probably will, but you won't.
Football is in the public eye and in the grand scheme of things they are paid a lot of money to entertain and to cope with the 'fame' factor of being in the public eye. It's a good life for 20 years or so, and if they can deal with it then they will truly 'live the dream' that many of us wish we had the talent for.
Equally, if they do something as despicable as rape then they need to realise that they've thrown away that opportunity and need to find something else to do with their lives other than playing football.
I would be absolutely staggered if Sheffield United or any other football club sees it otherwise.
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Post by jonbond on Nov 16, 2014 12:33:05 GMT 1
Ched Evans is a rapist. FACT. Rapists could get a job out there working alongside you or I (look at your work colleague, do you really know who they are?), but the chances are that you will never know. HR probably will, but you won't. Football is in the public eye and in the grand scheme of things they are paid a lot of money to entertain and to cope with the 'fame' factor of being in the public eye. It's a good life for 20 years or so, and if they can deal with it then they will truly 'live the dream' that many of us wish we had the talent for. Equally, if they do something as despicable as rape then they need to realise that they've thrown away that opportunity and need to find something else to do with their lives other than playing football. I would be absolutely staggered if Sheffield United or any other football club sees it otherwise. But someone who is convicted of a more serious crime with a longer sentence is ok to come back as soon as they are released ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 13:01:01 GMT 1
There are many professions where such an offence would be carrier ending, and that is just hard luck and one of those things that should make people think about how they conduct themselves in life.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 16, 2014 14:33:39 GMT 1
Plainly a very divisive topic, not helped by Evans' continual bleatings of innocence. However, the key for me is that he has served the time that the justice system, democratically operated, has deemed appropriate that he served. If the system felt that his continual assertions of innocence either belittled his offence of otherwise indicated that he had been insufficuently rehabilatatee then that same system could have denied him another few years of freedom by keeping him locked up. If there is any problem with him working in whatever profession he choses then that is an issue for the law to deal with in sentencing, in relation to the length, or in the imposition of post release conditions, noting that such should be about protecting the public and faith in the system, not about restricting the rights of anyone who has been found guilty of an offence but has then served the time that the judicial system has deemee appropriate.
his protestations of innocence grate somewhat with me but overall I respect the system that has determined that he can be released. If there are issues with him working again then that is an issue to resolve with the length of sentencing but I genuinely have an awful lot lf sympathy for the position he is in and the knee jerk, populist, band waggon jumping witch hunt mob which are effectively preventing him getting on with the rest of his life, whatever he choses to do.
As I say, just an opinion
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 16, 2014 14:45:49 GMT 1
The problem with his bleatings of innocence is that within a few months they might be confirmed.
That's the difficulty with this one. The law itself is subject to challenge. Not the facts of the case.
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Post by mattmw on Nov 16, 2014 15:26:17 GMT 1
The problem with his bleatings of innocence is that within a few months they might be confirmed. That's the difficulty with this one. The law itself is subject to challenge. Not the facts of the case. That's what's slightly odd about the case, as in his original appeal which was overseen by three high court judges they reviewed all the evidence and concluded that both the verdict and sentence were sound in legal terms. I'm no expert on legal matters but the summing up of those judges suggested the only way the sentence could be appealed again was if new evidence came forward, and its a bit difficult to see where that new evidence might come from. It's certainly a case with a lot of grey areas, but I do wonder if a third appeal is really in his best interests. If all the evidence gets dragged up again yet fails to overturn the conviction it might just build up more barriers against him returning to his chosen profession
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 16, 2014 16:27:00 GMT 1
Then I imagine the reason he is doing it is because he fundamentally believes the law has been falsely applied to him.
And they wouldn't be hearing this appeal if there wasn't something to appeal about it.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 17, 2014 21:57:12 GMT 1
Musician Paul Heaton has resigned as patron of Sheffield United after the club's decision to allow convicted rapist Ched Evans to train. The club said it had allowed Evans to train following a request from the Professional Footballers' Association. Mr Heaton, the former Beautiful South singer, said he believed Evans had a "right to rebuild his career" but needed to "move away" from the Blades. He is the fourth patron to resign over the club's decision. Mr Heaton said: "It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. "I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down. "I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-30087979
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Post by mattmw on Nov 17, 2014 23:09:24 GMT 1
Then I imagine the reason he is doing it is because he fundamentally believes the law has been falsely applied to him. And they wouldn't be hearing this appeal if there wasn't something to appeal about it. Doesn't even seem as if its at the appeal stage yet, the stage of this request is to see if there are any new grounds to appeal according to the commission responsible "The commission spokesman said the decision to prioritise the case should not be viewed as confirmation that Evans had strong grounds for an appeal. He added: “The decision to prioritise the case simply brings forward the starting point of the investigations to decide whether or not there may be grounds for us to refer the case to the court of appeal. It does not in any way represent a judgment by the commission as to the merits of the case or its chances of being referred.”
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Nov 20, 2014 21:30:31 GMT 1
Been announced ched Evans no longer allowed to train at Sheffield utd! Club reconsider decision !!
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Post by mattmw on Nov 20, 2014 21:46:34 GMT 1
Very odd statement on their website rambles on for ages but doesn't say why it was ok for Evans to train with them for two weeks but now suddenly it isn't
Assume a major sponsor has said they will withdraw unless Evans went but certainly not clear from that statement what's behind the change of heart
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 23:25:54 GMT 1
Having a wild guess I would think it is something to do with public opinion and loads of s**te from the media , not forgetting of course the withdrawal or threat of , from Club sponsors .
Seems to me as If they are trying to save face .
The club has bowed to public opinion in truth . Who will take Ched Evans on now I wonder ?
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 20, 2014 23:54:07 GMT 1
Sheffield United have retracted their offer to let convicted rapist Ched Evans use their training facilities. The Blades had been heavily criticised for agreeing to allow Evans to train at the club after his release from prison. Olympic champion Jessica Ennis-Hill stated that she wanted her name removed from one of the Bramall Lane stands should he play for the club again. The club said reaction to their initial decision "has been at an intensity that could not have been anticipated". In a statement it said: "Sheffield United have decided to retract the opportunity for its former player, Ched Evans, to use the club's facilities for training purposes," adding that the U-turn followed consultation with supporters, officials, staff and sponsors. "We recognise that a number of our supporters will be disappointed with this decision, but would ask that they remember the responsibilities we have not only to a fine and proud club, but also to the communities in which Sheffield United is active. "The club condemns rape and violence of any kind against women in the strongest possible terms." Evans was released last month after serving half of a five-year sentence for the rape a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in 2011. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30054475
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 21, 2014 4:56:30 GMT 1
Very odd statement on their website rambles on for ages but doesn't say why it was ok for Evans to train with them for two weeks but now suddenly it isn't Assume a major sponsor has said they will withdraw unless Evans went but certainly not clear from that statement what's behind the change of heart Yes, the kit sponsor threatened to pull out. Money talks in football even if morality doesn't.They should have waited until the outcome of the Criminal Cases Review Commission but I imagine their initial rush to get him back was solely motivated by their desire to stay in the promotion race.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Nov 21, 2014 9:03:57 GMT 1
The club said reaction to their initial decision "has been at an intensity that could not have been anticipated". What? How could they not have anticipated the reaction to letting a convicted rapist train with them?
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Post by mikeinsheff on Nov 21, 2014 12:00:26 GMT 1
Fair play to Jess Ennis, Charlie Webster and Paul Heaton. They said what they believed knowing that they`d get a load of s**t of twitter trolls. The stuff a MINORITY of Blades `fans` are singing at matches is horrible and I`d imagine that puts plenty of folk off going there at the mo.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 21, 2014 12:08:11 GMT 1
The media stuff is quite interesting because I have heard it said several times that he has already "lost" an appeal but is it not rather true that he was denied the chance to appeal?
The lady in question sent several facebook messages around the time of the attack to friends - potentially while she was in the room with the footballers - which were subsequently deleted by her, and were not investigated by the police and therefore were not available to the defence team.
It all adds to the confusion. the "new" evidence required for an appeal exists but cannot be accessed because you need the police to do it and they can't do it because the case is "closed". That can't be right can it?
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Post by bertymax on Nov 21, 2014 15:04:16 GMT 1
So Sheffield Utd have now decided he won't be allowed to train with them and needs to look elsewhere, I wonder where he will end up? He will be looking for a club with no scruples and devoid of any moral fibre...my money is on Port Vale.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Nov 21, 2014 16:11:30 GMT 1
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Post by alex1993 on Nov 21, 2014 16:44:30 GMT 1
What do you think of the situation Shrewsfan1985?
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