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Post by TheFoz on Oct 29, 2014 3:01:13 GMT 1
Great performance by the team and these are the ratings I'd give (feel free to give your own)
Leutwiler 7 - a couple of good saves, especially the finger tip over the bar and did everything that was asked of him.
Grimmer 7- solid defensively and looked decent going forward.
Goldson 8 - looked solid,dealt with most things and kept the defence organised.
Grandison 8 - thought he had a brilliant game, beat Drogba in the air a couple of times and some good clearances. Very unlucky with the OG.
Knight-Percival 8 - Played the ball out from the back well, got on with his job and didn't put a foot wrong.
Demetriou 5 - usually very good but the occasion seemed to get to him a bit. Misplaced a lot of passes and slip led to the 2nd goal.
Woods 9 - great performance all round, wasn't scared of Chelsea and ran the show.
Lawrence 7- showed he is technically good,some nice passes and touches but tired towards the end.
Grant 6 - seems a good player just didn't have much of an impact.
Collins 7 - worked hard, held the ball up well a few times and won it back a lot.
Akpa-Akpro 7 - showed glimpses of what he can do and was our most threatening player going forward.
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 29, 2014 5:22:19 GMT 1
That's a pretty good summary. I would also mention Mangan who has now scored two goals against Premier League opposition and must surely be knocking on the door for a starting place. He's turning into our own fox in the box.
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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Oct 29, 2014 7:47:35 GMT 1
Agree in the main however would have said you have got the strikers ratings the wrong way around. Collins work rate is far better that AA. I thought Grant was the pick of the midfielders in the first half, he turns well and this creates the opportunity to change the direction of the play.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 9:44:06 GMT 1
Great performance by the team and these are the ratings I'd give (feel free to give your own) Leutwiler 7 - a couple of good saves, especially the finger tip over the bar and did everything that was asked of him. Grimmer 7- solid defensively and looked decent going forward. Goldson 8 - looked solid,dealt with most things and kept the defence organised. Grandison 8 - thought he had a brilliant game, beat Drogba in the air a couple of times and some good clearances. Very unlucky with the OG. Knight-Percival 8 - Played the ball out from the back well, got on with his job and didn't put a foot wrong. Demetriou 5 - usually very good but the occasion seemed to get to him a bit. Misplaced a lot of passes and slip led to the 2nd goal. Woods 9 - great performance all round, wasn't scared of Chelsea and ran the show. Lawrence 7- showed he is technically good,some nice passes and touches but tired towards the end. Grant 6 - seems a good player just didn't have much of an impact. Collins 6 - worked hard, held the ball up well a few times but didn't look much of a threat Akpa-Akpro 7 - showed glimpses of what he can do and was our most threatening player going forward. A point here or there but very similar to how I would have rated them. Interesting but not unsurprising how our youngest players had contrasting fortunes under the intense spotlight.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 29, 2014 10:23:01 GMT 1
Very fair IMO. The only thing I would say about Demitriou is that we must remember, this time last year he was playing for Kiddy and he has come on well from that.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 29, 2014 11:44:20 GMT 1
Very fair IMO. The only thing I would say about Demitriou is that we must remember, this time last year he was playing for Kiddy and he has come on well from that. True. But needless penalty given away against Pompey and now the slip which led to the second goal. He needs to up his game as NKP is a more than adequate LB.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 29, 2014 12:44:51 GMT 1
Very fair IMO. The only thing I would say about Demitriou is that we must remember, this time last year he was playing for Kiddy and he has come on well from that. True. But needless penalty given away against Pompey and now the slip which led to the second goal. He needs to up his game as NKP is a more than adequate LB. We have one of the best defensive records in the league this season, and in the Cup. Sure he slipped over but it was hardly Gerrard, he slipped in their half just the quality of the opposition meant they attached quickly. Dropping him would have massive implications on the back 5, putting NKP (who's doing exceptionally at the left of the 3) at left wing back, then who plays left of the three? Or do we go to a back four when the back 5 is serving us so well? Not saying he's undroppable, nobody is but it's a bit harsh to be pointing the finger.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 29, 2014 13:38:37 GMT 1
True. But needless penalty given away against Pompey and now the slip which led to the second goal. He needs to up his game as NKP is a more than adequate LB. We have one of the best defensive records in the league this season, and in the Cup. Sure he slipped over but it was hardly Gerrard, he slipped in their half just the quality of the opposition meant they attached quickly. Dropping him would have massive implications on the back 5, putting NKP (who's doing exceptionally at the left of the 3) at left wing back, then who plays left of the three? Or do we go to a back four when the back 5 is serving us so well? Not saying he's undroppable, nobody is but it's a bit harsh to be pointing the finger. Ellis would slot in at CB if NKP was pushed out wide.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 29, 2014 13:48:40 GMT 1
We have one of the best defensive records in the league this season, and in the Cup. Sure he slipped over but it was hardly Gerrard, he slipped in their half just the quality of the opposition meant they attached quickly. Dropping him would have massive implications on the back 5, putting NKP (who's doing exceptionally at the left of the 3) at left wing back, then who plays left of the three? Or do we go to a back four when the back 5 is serving us so well? Not saying he's undroppable, nobody is but it's a bit harsh to be pointing the finger. Ellis would slot in at CB if NKP was pushed out wide. [/br] Yes but would he be as good? The back three is working brilliantly at the moment and I'd be loathe to change it.
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Post by poolieshrew on Oct 29, 2014 13:51:46 GMT 1
3 centre halves as they are now works well & would not tinker with it. Wing back is a specialist Role & sometimes difficult to fill. Trust MM & Jacko can work with our young guys to improve from within.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 29, 2014 13:55:15 GMT 1
Gayle can also play on the left i think.
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Post by El Presidente on Oct 29, 2014 14:46:55 GMT 1
Watching the Chelski lads largely being tamed last night, got me thinking about what exactly sums up the difference in class between footballers in the top flight and 'all the rest'.
Not much I think.
Now, that may seem a tad over optimistic, but all said and done I think all we are talking about is a little more skill, technique and vision here and there. Very few players actually seem to be head and shoulders above all others, regardless of where they ply their trade.
I think what does make all the difference, or force multiplyer as I like to call it, is having the ability to protect and nurture the talent you have, yet blood them all the same. You have to have a squad of high class talent, in order to nurture and protect the very best amongst you. The second thing is passion and grit.
I think we showed last night that playing with passion and grit can often gift you the ability to step up to the occasion. Whilst Chelsea's younger players floated about with an air of misplaced arrogance, ours actually fought their socks off. Jose even alluded to much the same, that being he didn't believe it would be an easy game but some of his squad, by their disappointing performance, slipped into that mindset.
Where we saw the London boys praying to the sky and kissing their fingers when fluffing their chances, our lads chased back, harried and got stuck in.
If top flight players went about their business with more passion, conviction and heart, as we did, I think the premiership would be a more lively and interesting viewing experience.
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Post by franthetownfan on Oct 29, 2014 14:53:33 GMT 1
If Collins got a 6 last night and some performances last season yielded a 6 you gotta be having a laugh.
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Post by TheFoz on Oct 29, 2014 15:00:41 GMT 1
If Collins got a 6 last night and some performances last season yielded a 6 you gotta be having a laugh. Yeah I agree, looking back now the amount of times he kept hold of the ball and won it back for us was pretty good. Should be a 7 and I'll put it as that now.
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Post by El Presidente on Oct 29, 2014 15:05:19 GMT 1
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Post by TheFoz on Oct 29, 2014 15:33:08 GMT 1
Watching the Chelski lads largely being tamed last night, got me thinking about what exactly sums up the difference in class between footballers in the top flight and 'all the rest'. Not much I think. Now, that may seem a tad over optimistic, but all said and done I think all we are talking about is a little more skill, technique and vision here and there. Very few players actually seem to be head and shoulders above all others, regardless of where they ply their trade. I think what does make all the difference, or force multiplyer as I like to call it, is having the ability to protect and nurture the talent you have, yet blood them all the same. You have to have a squad of high class talent, in order to nurture and protect the very best amongst you. The second thing is passion and grit. I think we showed last night that playing with passion and grit can often gift you the ability to step up to the occasion. Whilst Chelsea's younger players floated about with an air of misplaced arrogance, ours actually fought their socks off. Jose even alluded to much the same, that being he didn't believe it would be an easy game but some of his squad, by their disappointing performance, slipped into that mindset. Where we saw the London boys praying to the sky and kissing their fingers when fluffing their chances, our lads chased back, harried and got stuck in. If top flight players went about their business with more passion, conviction and heart, as we did, I think the premiership would be a more lively and interesting viewing experience. The gulf between League Two and League One isn't that great. We had an extremely poor squad last year that would have probably finished in the bottom half of League Two. If we can get promotion and keep this squad together then there are exciting times ahead. A long season of ups and downs are left though and we need to take it one step at a time.
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Post by franthetownfan on Oct 30, 2014 15:39:55 GMT 1
If Collins got a 6 last night and some performances last season yielded a 6 you gotta be having a laugh. Yeah I agree, looking back now the amount of times he kept hold of the ball and won it back for us was pretty good. Should be a 7 and I'll put it as that now. It wasn't on your ratings mate, but the rating that people got last season that was the problem. I agree with 7.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Oct 31, 2014 2:26:21 GMT 1
I think Grant was worth a 7 too. Having watched the game a second time, I was very impressed with how much work both he and Collins put in. Grant gets in good positions - a bit of luck and I think he'll snag us some goals
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Oct 31, 2014 8:13:25 GMT 1
I don't blame demetriou for slipping . Did anybody see how soaking the pitch was ? Everybody was slipping, there was even water puddles in the middle . I didn't think he had a very good game but he has only got a handful of league appearances under his belt so far.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 31, 2014 10:46:27 GMT 1
Demetriou has been a revelation since he arrived. And the occasion definitely got the better of him.
Both those things are true.
NKP is NOT a wing back, and 3-5-2 has become our preferred formation precisely because of the form of Demetriou and Grandison.
Plus that midfield 3 gives Woods the space to shine.
I thought the original ratings were pretty close. My ongoing concern is Akpro being so wasteful in front of goal.
I'm not worried if our inexperienced lads show their inexperience - not least when Drogba is breathing down their necks. That's how they'll learn. That's why Goldson's decision to stay showed such massive maturity. It's why Joe Hart is so grounded.
I don't mind young lads making mistakes. My only hope for Demetriou is that he plays on Saturday.
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Post by shrewed46 on Oct 31, 2014 11:32:40 GMT 1
I was talking some Chelsea fans yesterday, they were very complimentary and one even thought the Town should win, (keep the customer happy). However they did suggest that, that was the worst they played for years, I suggested that maybe that was the best they were allowed to play.
Their Town Man of the match they described as immense even though he scored the own goal.
I know many fans went for Woodsy but without the performance of the back three I think Wood may have struggled.
So for me Grandison was my man of match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 14:13:03 GMT 1
I would certainly listen to arguments for Grandison being our MOM. Despite assisting their winner he did assist our equaliser too. IMO he's back where he was 20 months ago, a valuable regular in the heart of a mean back line. But also now I think his game is improving: his distribution has been excellent in the last couple of games. Next I would like to see him score because we all know how we like to celebrate a Grandison goal.
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