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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 13, 2014 20:20:36 GMT 1
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Post by wimbledonshrew on Oct 13, 2014 20:26:26 GMT 1
Ryan Woods must be totally exhausted
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 20:26:50 GMT 1
Yes. Sportsmen get tired not a headline and something Roy should of kept shut about. He's burnt enough bridges with Liverpool as it is a bit of tact and political diplomacy is needed or England will get Liverpool players retiring early like United had with it's International's.
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Post by El Presidente on Oct 13, 2014 20:27:14 GMT 1
What are you angry about though?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 13, 2014 21:31:18 GMT 1
Important player for club and country and he is still a teenager. Is it physical or mental tiredness? Let's manage him so that he isn't burnt out by 24.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 22:26:45 GMT 1
Important player for club and country and he is still a teenager. Is it physical or mental tiredness? Let's manage him so that he isn't burnt out by 24. Agreed.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 13, 2014 22:40:05 GMT 1
I am tired of Hodgson.
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2014 22:48:06 GMT 1
To be honest I too am really irritated by Sterling, how can a 19 year old not want to play for England ? But I do get your point about Hodgson, starting to belive his own publicity and this incident has been pretty poorly handled by him.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Oct 13, 2014 22:51:50 GMT 1
Strange one this.
On the one hand you've got Brendan Rodgers who only a couple of weeks ago prevented Daniel Sturridge from joining up with the England team despite being in contention for Liverpool and now Sterling is apparently burnt out before the clocks have gone back.
On the other you've got the England manager who reflecting on an England win, albeit a fairly unconvincing one, had no reason to justify team selection but decided to come out on record and make the Sterling situation public anyway.
A very messy situation that will only drive a bigger wedge between club and country but also between the national team and its fans when players are perceived to be wriggling out of playing for England.
I absolutely despise Stan Collymore as a human being but he made a very good point yesterday. Had it been Liverpool vs Real Madrid yesterday and not England at lowly Estonia, would Sterling complain about being too tired?
I do echo many of the sentiments above though. We expose too many players to international football far far too soon and if we don't manage these players correctly, messrs Sterling and Barkley will become the next Owen, Fowler or dare I say it Rooney. Burnt out before they reach 30. What happened to the under 21 setup? Raheem Sterling has already played more games for the senior team than he did the u21s. Callum Chambers was fast tracked straight from the u19s to the first team. His feet not touching the ground since he joined Arsenal.
It really is a dire situation.
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Post by jamo on Oct 13, 2014 23:20:13 GMT 1
Funny how 'burn out' didn't appear to stop the recent crop of German under 21 stars lifting this years World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 23:25:06 GMT 1
Funny how 'burn out' didn't appear to stop the recent crop of German under 21 stars lifting this years World Cup. Perhaps they've worked what is best when coaching young players to ensure they are ready.
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Post by siabod on Oct 14, 2014 0:03:21 GMT 1
To be honest I too am really irritated by Sterling, how can a 19 year old not want to play for England ? But I do get your point about Hodgson, starting to belive his own publicity and this incident has been pretty poorly handled by him. If Hodgson had not told us the reason Sterling was not in the starting eleven just think of all the flak he would have got from Sterling fans. I think the player showed some guts to suggest he would not be able to give his best, far better than playing at "half cock" all night.
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Post by jamo on Oct 14, 2014 7:11:26 GMT 1
To be honest I too am really irritated by Sterling, how can a 19 year old not want to play for England ? But I do get your point about Hodgson, starting to belive his own publicity and this incident has been pretty poorly handled by him. If Hodgson had not told us the reason Sterling was not in the starting eleven just think of all the flak he would have got from Sterling fans. I think the player showed some guts to suggest he would not be able to give his best, far better than playing at "half cock" all night.
Well, that's certainly one school of thought that has the ring of credibility about it. How about another one being that he was under pressure and/or instructions from his club manager ?
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Post by shrewder on Oct 14, 2014 9:13:04 GMT 1
Playing devils advocate, is this a case of the high wages a player receives in the Premiership meaning that some players may be less than enthusiastic to play for their country?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 14, 2014 10:12:36 GMT 1
The idea "He is 19, he won't be tired" is clearly nonsense.
Some players might exert more energy in a game, for instance. Like pacy forwards compared to a keeper.
or a player might be coming back from an injury, or a tummy bug, or a cold, or whatever.
Sterling has made 14 appearances in 8 weeks since the season began.
In that time he has been to Switzerland twice and San Marino.
Since September 13th - so the last month, he had played in 8 games, 9 with the Estonian cameo.
I just think like concussion, tiredness is an issue that needs to be talked about and thought about.
I am glad a player felt he was able to talk about getting the best performance from him and I think it is an act of brutal cowardice that Hodgson has hung him out to dry about it.
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Post by jamo on Oct 14, 2014 10:58:54 GMT 1
The idea "He is 19, he won't be tired" is clearly nonsense. . If there were to be an unlying medical reason then i would accept that as true. If there isn't then i would contend that statement to be equal in the nonsense stakes
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Post by venceremos on Oct 14, 2014 11:24:03 GMT 1
The idea "He is 19, he won't be tired" is clearly nonsense. Some players might exert more energy in a game, for instance. Like pacy forwards compared to a keeper. or a player might be coming back from an injury, or a tummy bug, or a cold, or whatever. Sterling has made 14 appearances in 8 weeks since the season began. In that time he has been to Switzerland twice and San Marino. Since September 13th - so the last month, he had played in 8 games, 9 with the Estonian cameo. I just think like concussion, tiredness is an issue that needs to be talked about and thought about. I am glad a player felt he was able to talk about getting the best performance from him and I think it is an act of brutal cowardice that Hodgson has hung him out to dry about it. Broadly agree with what you've said, apart from the last bit. "Brutal cowardice"? Come on, that's way too extreme. Couldn't it just be that Hodgson's telling the truth? I've no problem with a player being honest enough to admit he wouldn't be at this best, nor with a manager citing that as the reason for his absence. I don't understand what the fuss is about or why Sterling can be perceived as having been hung out to dry. That's only because of the overreaction of some media and fans. He's big enough to deal with it. If people think Sterling shouldn't need resting (although I don't understand how they can possibly know), that's another issue. But it's a players' issue, it shouldn't need managers to cover for them. What else could Hodgson have done? Insisted he played and got a lame performance from him? Rested him and said it was entirely his (Hodgson's) decision? Surely we can be grown up about it and talk about the real reason - that is if we think there's even an issue to discuss? Collymore's point about Sterling not being tired for Liverpool - Real Madrid is true but only reflects that that game is viewed as more significant than a Euro qualifier in Estonia, rightly or wrongly. Did anyone seriously think otherwise?
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Post by siabod on Oct 14, 2014 11:55:13 GMT 1
Not too sure Collymore's statement being true when it is hypothetical but I agree with you "brutal cowardice" a way over the top response just to get at Hodgson. Would people prefer him to lie about the reason Sterling was not in the starting eleven when the true reason could surface later on causing the Hodgson haters even more opportunity for such responses. In an earlier post I said that Sterling was to be applauded for giving a reason not to start the match, this got a totally valid response that possibly Sterling's club manager may have had a hand in him thinking he was too tired to play.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 14, 2014 12:21:54 GMT 1
At least the hyperbole got you thinking ;-)
If Sterling played poorly he would be criticised.
So he went and told his gaffer he wasn't on top form.
At that point Hodgson has a choice to either respect or ignore the player's opinion.
He could have told him to grow a pair and play and picked him.
But he followed his lead by resting him then washed his hands of the situation publicly, therefore leaving our 19 year old starlet up for public scrutiny and criticism over what the player presumably believed was a private conversation.
Hodgson earns a reported £3 million a year to take the credit and take the criticism of making decisions as England manager.
If a member of my staff came to me with an issue they wanted help with, even if it was simply tiredness, and that issue, I decided warranted the action they were requesting, and that action put me in the firing line for questioning or criticism then I would take it right on the chin because the moment I agreed to a course of action it is my problem.
It is weakness, pure and simple. Hodgson is the leader of that squad and has failed in that spectacularly by trying to wash his hands as a decision that only he made.
He didn't pick Sterling. Anything else is details and handwashing.
I personally think Woodsy has looked jaded a couple of times this season. Most of us have said that. If Mellon rested him against York because he felt he was tired so be it. That would be Mellon's choice. Mellon's decision. As a fan who watches games regularly I could understand it. Whether Woodsy has said something himself is a tiny fraction of the story and not for public consumption.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 14, 2014 12:35:37 GMT 1
Every time Roy opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. Was only last week he had to apologise for insulting Rooney's Scouse accent, and who can forget his 'pass to the monkey' remark in reference to Andros Townsend?!
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Post by mrbunny on Oct 14, 2014 12:38:48 GMT 1
Tired after playing against the mighty San Marino. Give me a break.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 14, 2014 22:51:35 GMT 1
There's certainly an element in the press who will use any story to knock Hodgson. I think he is doing something quite interesting with the England team at the moment.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 17, 2014 14:56:03 GMT 1
The idea "He is 19, he won't be tired" is clearly nonsense. Some players might exert more energy in a game, for instance. Like pacy forwards compared to a keeper. or a player might be coming back from an injury, or a tummy bug, or a cold, or whatever. Sterling has made 14 appearances in 8 weeks since the season began. In that time he has been to Switzerland twice and San Marino. Since September 13th - so the last month, he had played in 8 games, 9 with the Estonian cameo. I just think like concussion, tiredness is an issue that needs to be talked about and thought about. I am glad a player felt he was able to talk about getting the best performance from him and I think it is an act of brutal cowardice that Hodgson has hung him out to dry about it. Interestingly, "hung out to dry" is exactly the phrase Rodgers has just used to describe Sterling's situation. Unnecessary exaggeration by a club manager on the defensive is how I'd describe Rodgers' remark.
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