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Post by shrewder on Oct 14, 2014 16:58:35 GMT 1
To be honest if you want to see the game and not got a ticket best value would be to go to the pub and watch it on Sky.
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Oct 14, 2014 20:31:14 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Oct 14, 2014 20:31:14 GMT 1
No it's not. Fans with loyalty points were clearly willing to pay £25 and those buying uncovered seats with poorer views in the corners will be willing to pay £20 for them. Must be, or else it wouldn't be a sell out. I agree there is one difference though. The club put a limit on the price charged and didn't sell to the highest bidders. Would you have been saying "they're worth whatever someone's willing to pay" if they'd done that? there is more people on the stfc system than the capacity of the greenhous meadow . So after loyalty points , and then anybody with a supporter number was able to buy. With 2000 remaining , I think you will find not everybody was "clearly" willing to pay 25 . If you were selling your car (which was a rare car ) and in your head you wanted 1000 for it and somebody offered you 2000 , you wouldn't say oh no actually you can have it for 1000 ! It's worth what somebody wants to pay , Well enough people were willing to pay £25 for them to have sold out. So, by your philosophy, the club has done nothing wrong because people paid what they thought the tickets were worth. By your philosophy, the tickets were too cheap as they could probably have sold them for more - but the club didn't market them to highest bidders. Touting, on the other hand, is pushing it the other way - those two tickets are only available to whoever will pay the most for them, with no upper limit. If I was selling a rare item I'd expect any buyers to have done their research and have an idea of its market value. But if I've set the price then that's as much as I'm likely to get. Tickets to see my own football club are different in my eyes because the market only consists of other people wanting to see the team. I've done nothing to earn any more than the face value of the tickets so why would I want to make money out of them? I'd just want my money back and be happy that someone else had the chance to enjoy the night. Anyway, as I said earlier, if you buy tickets with a view to resell them and make a profit then you're trading and the profit's taxable - regardless of whether or not it's lawful to tout them.
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Oct 14, 2014 20:51:33 GMT 1
Post by buryshrew on Oct 14, 2014 20:51:33 GMT 1
So you get tickets knowing you'll miss the game stopping other fans getting them. Well played sir well played. except nobody who has bought a ticket with a supporter number since we moves to the new ground who wanted to go has missed out I've bought 3 or 4 tickets regularly using my supporter number. For myself, Dad and kids. Never really looked into the supporter number situation in depth so not blaming anyone else, but because of this I couldn't get tickets for everyone hence haven't bothered at all. I doubt I'm the only one, so your assertion doesn't really hold water. Sorry!!
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Post by buryshrew on Oct 14, 2014 20:54:17 GMT 1
One other thing, irrespective of the legalities of the thing, any town fan who has gone out of their way to purchase extra tickets with the express intention of making a profit to the detriment of fellow fans is no more than a tout. And that makes them a wxxxxr of the highest order.
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Oct 14, 2014 21:39:40 GMT 1
Post by callum on Oct 14, 2014 21:39:40 GMT 1
How did ticketbis get tickets for this i wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 16:10:35 GMT 1
If you sell on Ebay then you should get the same treatment as a Tout at the ground would. How thick can someone be to argue that the Club are in the wrong to mark up the Match Ticket but are fine with a Tout doing it? They are contradicting themselves on every other thread. No wonder the loyalty points confused them so much. They will probably be the same ones staring threads asking ''Why aren't the Club spending in the January Transfer Window ?'' And '' ''They should have taken full advantage of the Chelsea match to fund it'' They will almost certainly be back IF we get a big FA Cup 3rd Round moaning at a price increase and multiple threads with '' How do Loyalty points work?'' ''I still haven't registered as my mates get me tickets''.
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Oct 15, 2014 18:21:29 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 18:21:29 GMT 1
How did ticketbis get tickets for this i wonder? Not sure about tickets for the home end but I would think a company like that would have purchased one or two Chelsea season tickets and instead of attending games they simply sell each match ticket. Nice little earner that I would think, sure tourists who go and watch Chelsea are more than happy to pay daft amounts for a one off game.
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Oct 15, 2014 18:33:10 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 18:33:10 GMT 1
If you sell on Ebay then you should get the same treatment as a Tout at the ground would. How thick can someone be to argue that the Club are in the wrong to mark up the Match Ticket but are fine with a Tout doing it? They are contradicting themselves on every other thread. No wonder the loyalty points confused them so much. They will probably be the same ones staring threads asking ''Why aren't the Club spending in the January Transfer Window ?'' And '' ''They should have taken full advantage of the Chelsea match to fund it'' They will almost certainly be back IF we get a big FA Cup 3rd Round moaning at a price increase and multiple threads with '' How do Loyalty points work?'' ''I still haven't registered as my mates get me tickets''. I'm not sure I get you? Why would they say that? They would have already contributed money to the club by buying the ticket. All they are doing now is making money for themselves by selling it on. The club have lost out on this have they? The club has had it's 20/25 notes. I guess I'm thick, so explain it to me why it differs the club marking the price to an individual with tickets doing the same? Whats good for the goose... Just to add, I understand that eBay don't allow tickets to be sold on their site in the UK but they certainly allow it here in Germany. Not that it matters like but just thought I'd mention it...
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Oct 15, 2014 18:55:56 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Oct 15, 2014 18:55:56 GMT 1
If you sell on Ebay then you should get the same treatment as a Tout at the ground would. How thick can someone be to argue that the Club are in the wrong to mark up the Match Ticket but are fine with a Tout doing it? They are contradicting themselves on every other thread. No wonder the loyalty points confused them so much. They will probably be the same ones staring threads asking ''Why aren't the Club spending in the January Transfer Window ?'' And '' ''They should have taken full advantage of the Chelsea match to fund it'' They will almost certainly be back IF we get a big FA Cup 3rd Round moaning at a price increase and multiple threads with '' How do Loyalty points work?'' ''I still haven't registered as my mates get me tickets''. I'm not sure I get you? Why would they say that? They would have already contributed money to the club by buying the ticket. All they are doing now is making money for themselves by selling it on. The club have lost out on this have they? The club has had it's 20/25 notes. I guess I'm thick, so explain it to me why it differs the club marking the price to an individual with tickets doing the same? Whats good for the goose... Just to add, I understand that eBay don't allow tickets to be sold on their site in the UK but they certainly allow it here in Germany. Not that it matters like but just thought I'd mention it... It is against the law to resell a football ticket in this Country hence eBay would be breaking the law if they allowed ticket sales
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Oct 15, 2014 19:06:10 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 19:06:10 GMT 1
I'm not sure I get you? Why would they say that? They would have already contributed money to the club by buying the ticket. All they are doing now is making money for themselves by selling it on. The club have lost out on this have they? The club has had it's 20/25 notes. I guess I'm thick, so explain it to me why it differs the club marking the price to an individual with tickets doing the same? Whats good for the goose... Just to add, I understand that eBay don't allow tickets to be sold on their site in the UK but they certainly allow it here in Germany. Not that it matters like but just thought I'd mention it... It is against the law to resell a football ticket in this Country hence eBay would be breaking the law if they allowed ticket sales Yeah, I guess as it would be for all those ticket sites you see that sell football tickets. Just like the one thats been linked to on this thread... www.ticketbis.net/shrewsbury-v-chelsea-tickets/ev61772Yet there they are. I see the tickets for the away have already sold...
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Oct 15, 2014 19:11:13 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Oct 15, 2014 19:11:13 GMT 1
It is against the law to resell a football ticket in this Country hence eBay would be breaking the law if they allowed ticket sales Yeah, I guess as it would be for all those ticket sites you see that sell football tickets. Just like the one thats been linked to on this thread... www.ticketbis.net/shrewsbury-v-chelsea-tickets/ev61772Yet there they are. I see the tickets for the away have already sold... The law covers any part of the transaction in this Country. This company is based in Spain but the person selling them could get done if they are traced.
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Oct 15, 2014 19:31:23 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 19:31:23 GMT 1
Yeah, I guess as it would be for all those ticket sites you see that sell football tickets. Just like the one thats been linked to on this thread... www.ticketbis.net/shrewsbury-v-chelsea-tickets/ev61772Yet there they are. I see the tickets for the away have already sold... The law covers any part of the transaction in this Country. This company is based in Spain but the person selling them could get done if they are traced. I'm sure they could but what are the chances? Considering the games they are listing on their site... www.ticketbis.net/...I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon. Would be interesting to know just how much of this is policed. How these chaps for example... www.viagogo.co.uk/Sports-Tickets/Rugby-World-Cup...are selling World Cup tickets for next year when I understand no bugger actually knows who has been allocated what from the application process. All at a mark up. So one thing to say they could get chased up. Quite another as to whether it will actually happen. By the by, did this chap sell them on eBay? I guess he would have put them in another category to allow him to post them up there...
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Oct 15, 2014 19:34:12 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Oct 15, 2014 19:34:12 GMT 1
Stutty, first batch of ticket sales for Rugby world cup went on sale to Rugby clubs. Those people know they have tickets
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Oct 15, 2014 19:53:09 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 19:53:09 GMT 1
Stutty, first batch of ticket sales for Rugby world cup went on sale to Rugby clubs. Those people know they have tickets OK, cool. To rugby clubs maybe. But I'm guessing not to Viagogo.co.uk...what they are doing must surely be illegal. Yet they'll keep doing it and not doubt getting away with it...
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Oct 15, 2014 20:10:52 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Oct 15, 2014 20:10:52 GMT 1
Stutty, first batch of ticket sales for Rugby world cup went on sale to Rugby clubs. Those people know they have tickets OK, cool. To rugby clubs maybe. But I'm guessing not to Viagogo.co.uk...what they are doing must surely be illegal. Yet they'll keep doing it and not doubt getting away with it... Strangely enough selling the Rugby tickets isn't illegal. The organisers tried getting the law amended so it would be but it wasn't successful
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Oct 15, 2014 21:11:59 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 15, 2014 21:11:59 GMT 1
OK, cool. To rugby clubs maybe. But I'm guessing not to Viagogo.co.uk...what they are doing must surely be illegal. Yet they'll keep doing it and not doubt getting away with it... Strangely enough selling the Rugby tickets isn't illegal. The organisers tried getting the law amended so it would be but it wasn't successful So you can with rugby tickets but not football. Bizarre. Even selling them on for a profit, they can do that no issue I guess. So they will be listed on eBay then too soon. Just sums it all up nice that. A bit of a farce all-round... Although I did see a programme not long past about the world cup tickets and the organisers were looking to get some website to take down the tickets advertised for the world cup. Not sure on what grounds though, I dont recall. Maybe that was before this ruling.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:05:00 GMT 1
Post by SheffieldShrew on Oct 15, 2014 22:05:00 GMT 1
How does Stubhub operate legally in this country Martin? They are a reseller of Tottenham tickets (amongst other clubs) and are even a club 'partner' of Spurs.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:02:33 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Oct 15, 2014 23:02:33 GMT 1
How does Stubhub operate legally in this country Martin? They are a reseller of Tottenham tickets (amongst other clubs) and are even a club 'partner' of Spurs. They will be doing it on Spurs behalf no doubt
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 23:51:12 GMT 1
Online Ticket websites are ''Legalised Touts'' and are registered companies they can also be used to exchange unwanted tickets. Whether you agree with them is immaterial as there is little you can do about them bar not using them. What Germany does is irrelevant to Chelsea Tickets unless their selling them their, If you see the Club marking up tickets by £3 or £5 on top of the price for a L2 fixture as wrong then how on earth cant you see a ''tout'' doing the same as OK? The Club will pay Tax and put it towards the business it is selling you the right to watch it play Football. The speculators who bought knowing full well they wouldn't go have deprived fans of watching the game for £25. The Club has given those who couldn't pay £25 the option of a £20 ticket. What the Club should do is take note of any numbers and ban the seller.
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Oct 16, 2014 13:20:29 GMT 1
How come the original post has disappeared from this thread?
Not sure if DarrenWBA purposely bought tickets to profit from other fans, nor am I sure whether he sold them for £140 on eBay (although he certainly put them UP for sale at that price, before the offering disappeared).
But if he did, then in my careful and considered view, he is a dirty rotten scumbag.
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Oct 16, 2014 13:50:51 GMT 1
Post by davycrockett on Oct 16, 2014 13:50:51 GMT 1
The club could do something... If the tickets have been sold for £140 you can bet its to a Chelsea Supporter (what Town fan would pay that?) so selling tickets in a segregated area to an opposition fan is going to cause all sorts of problems.. so much that if this continues and is widespread expect to have to show ID to match the name on the ticket, or the mods on here may even get an identity request from the club of someone on here admitting to breaking the law............. I hope
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Post by andygroundo on Oct 16, 2014 16:06:40 GMT 1
The tickets I saw for sale on eBay over the past week had photos of the tickets which included names,supporter numbers,blocks,row letters and seat numbers. I think some people have been found out. Reading this message board I'm not quite sure some people realise how the law on re selling of tickets works. Martin B and axelrose seem well clued up.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Oct 16, 2014 18:07:30 GMT 1
How did wolves and Coventry city fans get in the home end last year ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 18:56:32 GMT 1
How come the original post has disappeared from this thread? Not sure if DarrenWBA purposely bought tickets to profit from other fans, nor am I sure whether he sold them for £140 on eBay (although he certainly put them UP for sale at that price, before the offering disappeared). But if he did, then in my careful and considered view, he is a dirty rotten scumbag. firstly Id like to say the tickets weren't sold for 140 pound ! Secondly Id like to say I put them on there to see how long it would be until one of you' people who would take up the time to scan eBay for stfc tickets and make a thread about it well call me sad but you're just as sad to scan eBay to find them and it worked ! Shows I don't take life seriously but many on here do I guess and thirdly I am not a scumbag !
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Post by Bordershrew on Oct 16, 2014 19:48:21 GMT 1
Plusssss you should probably chill on the exclamation marks .
Plus I bet Mr N Martindale is happy you've posted photos touting tickets in his name and supporter number on eBay?
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Post by MartinB on Oct 17, 2014 7:26:15 GMT 1
The tickets I saw for sale on eBay over the past week had photos of the tickets which included names,supporter numbers,blocks,row letters and seat numbers. I think some people have been found out. Reading this message board I'm not quite sure some people realise how the law on re selling of tickets works. Martin B and axelrose seem well clued up. Having been lucky enough to go to a fair number of major events tend to keep abreat of ticket issues. The Olympics was made an offence to resale tickets to cut out the tout market which it appeared to do pretty effectively. The link below sums things up pretty well. You have to be authorised to sell the tickets which is how Stubhub works for Tottenham and for the people Chelsea and Arsenal use. Foreign ticket websites get away with it because they aren't in the UK. Doesn't make the sale of the ticket legal as the seller will generally be in the UK for UK games so they could pick up a criminal record if they can be traced. Resellign Football TicketslinkMust admit if money was no object I would buy up all the Chelsea tickets from these type of websites. and then pass the details of the sellers on to the Police and the Club so they could be prosecuted. They all offer a money back gauarantee if you don't get in so would then claim all the refunds.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 17, 2014 7:55:26 GMT 1
How come the original post has disappeared from this thread? Not sure if DarrenWBA purposely bought tickets to profit from other fans, nor am I sure whether he sold them for £140 on eBay (although he certainly put them UP for sale at that price, before the offering disappeared). But if he did, then in my careful and considered view, he is a dirty rotten scumbag. firstly Id like to say the tickets weren't sold for 140 pound ! Secondly Id like to say I put them on there to see how long it would be until one of you' people who would take up the time to scan eBay for stfc tickets and make a thread about it well call me sad but you're just as sad to scan eBay to find them and it worked ! Shows I don't take life seriously but many on here do I guess and thirdly I am not a scumbag ! Start a thread, who was the oP? I think you need to work on your defence... It was just an experiment ma lord, tryining to catch out my chums on B & A, I'm not a scumbag honest......................GUILTY
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Post by wickedwilleh on Oct 17, 2014 8:14:55 GMT 1
How come the original post has disappeared from this thread? Not sure if DarrenWBA purposely bought tickets to profit from other fans, nor am I sure whether he sold them for £140 on eBay (although he certainly put them UP for sale at that price, before the offering disappeared). But if he did, then in my careful and considered view, he is a dirty rotten scumbag. firstly Id like to say the tickets weren't sold for 140 pound ! Secondly Id like to say I put them on there to see how long it would be until one of you' people who would take up the time to scan eBay for stfc tickets and make a thread about it well call me sad but you're just as sad to scan eBay to find them and it worked ! Shows I don't take life seriously but many on here do I guess and thirdly I am not a scumbag ! HAHA someone typed shrewsbury+chelsea in the search engine on ebay, 2 secs. You started a thread on here, posted on ebay, got caught out, removed them and posted again on here. Just admit it, you may have not bought them with the sole purpose of selling on but you tried to make a profit.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 17, 2014 8:26:37 GMT 1
Seems to me that sad is a very apt description. Either you sold the tickets or you didn't. On here you say you didn't on the other ticket thread you say you did and spent the money in the club shop. Bizarre doesn't quite cover it.
I suggest to everyone that if we ignore this thread, it will go away!!!!!!
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